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Dance Officer posted:He actually isn't, because Garm exists, and the spedwings are better spent on making Seth better. Garm doesnt exist for 2/3s of the game and the argument that all stat boosters could go to seth applies to every booster for every unit.
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And also why use Seth when you could not?
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Speedwings are for Duessel, the best and coolest prepromote 
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vilkacis posted:Speedwings are for Duessel, the best and coolest prepromote I'll allow this.
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9: Utterly bowned This map we're recruiting Duessel!  Duessel is Very Good but unfortunately i do not think he will be adopting Amelia in this run.  She's not here, see. Honestly this was the part where i really started questioning if i should have gone with Ephraim because i'd have a full party so much faster if i didn't but then i decided that what loving ever we're here now and also i've already overwritten the pre-decision save.  From one thing to another, the boss of the chapter looks pretty scary  with her humongous Bolting range  but of course Valter comes in and removes her before she can actually become a problem. (Don't worry, though. She'll be an issue soon enough.)   Not much to say about the start; we moved the people who are going to fight down the only path available to them. Nothing out of the ordinary here.  A bit of movement on enemy phase. I don't think we're saving Duessel's greenies on this run, just a feeling i have...  Ugh.  He has a 1/5 chance to just delete people with his dad nearby, though, so it's fine.  Neimi also finds Ross' dad inspiring.  SNIPER  Go join the blue team without making an rear end of yourself? Just a suggestion??  Next turn wasn't quite so problem-free but Ross managed to dodge a bit.  Just not enough!!  So instead we take it a little more slowly.  Not moving up quite as far. We do need to push on here because i'm pretty sure the village by Duessel has a promotion item i need so just turtling is not an option. (Also there's reinforcements coming from behind.)  You call that a hit?  Ross got a better level in this timeline. I'm fine with that!  Nice lancereaver, nerd! He drops it, not that anyone can use it. Gerik might, eventually, for like two maps? I don't remember how quickly we get more promotions.  Boom! Oneshot!  Natasha is at B staves now. Goddamn that's a lot of staff using!   Enemies closing in on the greenies.  And on Garcia, too, but uh. You might have to try a little harder than that.  It's not too bad straight away and i think this village is basically 100% safe since one of the green units will sit on it for the terrain bonus, but the greenies themselves are about to get piled up on.  Oh and then there's this rear end in a top hat.  Too bad i can't use this! Too bad he has a loving killer lance!!  He doesn't move, though. Yet.  Garcia hit the upper village for a torch staff. Oh great, just what i needed, a reminder of the next map...  Natasha has B staves... and is still only level 6. Hate grinding healer levels!!!  Yeeeeah these guys aren't going to last long.  Pff.  Duessel isn't in any danger but he's not making a good case for himself either.  Archers are... good...?  Don't like the look of those wyverns. Do not like it!  And i also don't like these guys, why'd they have to show up, it's just rude.  Ross and Garcia splat this guy  and you?  Get out. I mean i might have liked to have another flying unit but i do not like to have a flying unit with a crit chance on the enemy side when i'm doing a challenge run.  The others aren't quite as threatening.  (Nor this guy.)  That's a lot of pirates...  But we also have to deal with these reinforcements before they fall upon us from behind. Ross could use the exp...?  Probably should have sent Garcia too but we need to clean these guys out so Ephraim can get down and talk to Duessel so we can get to the village.  This is fine.  But this is not!  Goddammit. But at least this time through we've managed to get rid of some of the pirates,  Neimi's plugging the bridge and  are you goddamn joking  After an embarrassing number of attempts at this, i finally got Ephraim into position without losing anyone.  "And also because i am literally not allowed to or we game over."  Only it's not his life, but someone else died and then i threw my loving controller across the room and decided to call it for the day.  Next attempt! I do have this, huh...   Well, at least it's hp so maybe he won't loving explode now.  ARROWS.  I loving love the gba fighter animation don't @ me.  Oh and apparently that robe only made me more overconfident because Ross exploded.  Let's try that again.  Maybe if we make a wall like so...  It's better than last time, i'll take it.  Okay that works i guess.  Let's kill.  And get this support, why not?  Right, that's the last guy here.  So let's head south. Again.  (I did not forget the village.)  The part of Wall will be played by Seth.  See this guy? He wishes he could take hits like Seth.  This guy isn't very dangerous.  These kind of are though!  But since Ross has that unfortunate explosion habit, i'm going to have Garcia kill them.  Cormag status: extremely owned.  These guys still not a huge hassle but i need to kill them before they become one.  Hello! You are so small and squishy!  Hopefully we can handle it this time.  I don't see the reinforcements mattering, at leas-  God loving drat it Ross how  Ffffff okay maybe i can use Vanessa?  Not putting her in ballista range, though.  But she can do this.  And then peace out!  You know what, i would happily take def and res on tinfoil boy but then i put Vanessa in bow range anyway  and the next time he was not so lucky.  Still think i have something here.  Okay no huge fuckups this time.  Natasha still level 6!  Greenies still dying!  Cormag still going to get arrowed!  This time Garcia's sitting right in the spawn zone.  But Neimi got hit one time too many  and Natasha got killed aaaaa how the gently caress am i loving this up so hard  This, then?  Gonna plug this bridge.  Think we'll get to keep this one...?  I'm pretty sure it's not going to be Seth dying and robbing us of it.  Pretty sure, mind, not entirely.  One of the soldiers lived long enough to heal.  Sure, why the hell not Moulder needs S staves at some point.  I think this should work...?    We're pretty close now, at least.  Wyverns down, they're the most threatening things on the field.  Garcia cleans house.  Ross still gets close to death!  But this time doesn't eat a low-hit ballista bolt,  so he lives through the round!  Just cleaning out a pirate  and now i can drop Ephraim close enough to talk to Duessel!  No taking risks at this point, this is Elixir Hour.  Last guy up top.  And a nice big bridge-blocking paladin.  There!  And now!  You're telling me?! I'm like five seconds from quitting Fire Emblem forever Naga H Christ  But this will help. Will help someone. Ugh, but now i have to make a decision... ... it's gonna be Garcia, there, that wasn't so hard.  After all, we already promoted Neimi and she can't use it anyway.  Ross is getting up there in levels and would really appreciate the de-squishing, but i can make a squishy unit less squishy or a tough unit tougher and... i think Garcia will be more useful.  I didn't get to go even a single round with this guy or really even look at this stats because i knew i wasn't going to fight him, but it doesn't matter, the map is done and i am never doing this ever again!  Unlike most instances where they say something like this, there actually were remaining enemy troops around to flee! Most of the time it's like "What enemy troops? I killed literally everything on this map" but...  Anyway! Garcia! Is now a warrior! Honestly as much as this seems to be the appropriate destination for Garcia, Hero might be a better choice for him because it gives two points of speed which is likely to be Garcia's biggest issue, and for some reason four points of hp. Sure it's got a lower strength cap he's going to ram pretty quickly, and he's never hitting the higher speed cap, but... a free speedwing is pretty attractive.  Of course that's not really an option for us because heroes don't get bows and therefore suck!  Garcia is here for the bows. Only bows after this, for the rest of the game. I finally have two! bow users!!  Speaking of free speedwings, though...  yeah. If i were any good at Fire Emblem i might have remembered to use this before this map and maybe saved myself a reset! Maybe. But alas i am not and i did not.  And speaking of bad things, i don't understand why this exists. The short bow is so bad! 10% crit is only useful as a "the enemy has crit on you so you're going to get a 1% reset at some point" thing, it's nowhere near enough to be useful on a player unit and the other stats suck and it's so loving expensive.  This was Cormag's. And now, it's 5000 gold.  I bought some staves for the money. And now... on to (*ominous thunder*) that map. (*ominous lightning*)
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Oh boy! Think of all the effective damage on fliers you'll get!
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Yeah, if there's anything to be said for That Map it's that all the enemies fly so oh boy are they going to hate Garcia's new bow.
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And on the bright side, you don't have to keep Dozla alive!  I forgot if you need L'Arachel alive, but you ought to anyway since she's Best Girl.
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1234567890num posted:And on the bright side, you don't have to keep Dozla alive! He doesn't need to but she's another healstaff to help sandbag all the damage being taken by the bow users meatwalls.
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Dozla isn't going to be the problem, he's like 8x more durable than L'Arachel, who obviously has to live because how could anyone possibly be satisfied with less??
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Okay these are getting longer and this thread is slow so in the interest of not having like 1000 images on one page even in 20-post mode: 10: This loving Map
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The adventures of Huge Neimi will go down in song for generations.  She could really use a bit more speed though, she's not as dodgy as you'd expect and that's not helping when you're getting swarmed by dudes you can't counter-kill.
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Surprise double update, I really appreciate it!
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Jul 16, 2020 22:20
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This LP is really good at showing just how bad Ross is.
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theshim posted:The adventures of Huge Neimi will go down in song for generations. Yeah, Huge Neimi is very good. Normally i'd be happy to take str in exchange for spd on her since she already doubles everything, but it is an issue when she's getting surrounded on every side. Future maps will hopefully have a little less of that sort of thing... Torrannor posted:Surprise double update, I really appreciate it!  I'll probably keep doing those for the rest of the game.Dance Officer posted:This LP is really good at showing just how bad Ross is. And to think he's getting way more experience here than he would in a normal playthrough... 
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Re: the Guiding Ring, you do know Natasha can also promote to Valkyrie, right?
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She can, but she's locked to 5 move until then. So even aside from the blatant favouritism i am definitely guilty of, L'Arachel is easier to use.
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Dance Officer posted:This LP is really good at showing just how bad Ross is. That's a yes/no thing. Normally he's supposed to be better than Garcia because he ends up on average faster, which is really the important part. Garcia is bulkier, but not significantly enough to change function that much. It's just that in the LP it's comparing a defense screwed Ross with a defense-blessed Garcia (who also got a Dragonshield, but that's just sensible play to make a wall unit when you can't counter). An additional Ross problem is that he's losing his Berserker advantage due to the LP gimmick. Edit: On average, Ross is actually supposed to have more defense than Garcia (only 1 point difference but still), even with both as warriors.. He's being further hindered by the fact that Pirate gives +1 spd and def over Warrior, so he should be decently ahead. What the LP is really demonstrating is just how bad Bows are. Archers are usually stat inferior to their 1 range counterparts (why?) as well as having the archer jail issue that keeps cropping up (albeit Vilk really should just be making fortress clusters with his units in this situation). It's funny to note that if Archers just got a Javelin equivalent, that'd be the smallest way to make them not utter garbage. There's even an appropriately named, currently garbage and zero purpose weapon in the Shortbow for this. Keldulas fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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Ehhh i would not call Ross "better" even if you go berserker. He is only likely to get ahead of Garcia in speed by the time he hits level ~10 pirate. If you use both of them and don't blatantly favour Ross, Garcia will be a few levels ahead at all times and promote sooner, and gets +2 from Hero which will probably have him ahead of Ross again for a while. By pure endgame stats, sure Ross is better (especially if level-capped) but Garcia has him beat for the majority of the game and never has to be babied. But we are definitely in agreement that bows are utterly goddamn awful, which is why this challenge run is a thing in the first place  (I still think all bows should have 2-3 range by default and 1-2 shortbow would at least justify its ridiculous cost.)
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I don't think I've seen a Garcia that determined to let people shatter weapons against his chest
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