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Manwithastick posted:Who was the last masked wwe/wwf champ before Rey Mysterio? Does having a mask hold you back? The only one you could make a case for is Kane's first run. Other than that, nobody. Unless you want to get into semantics and count Mankind. quote:What is the quickest debut to world champion run in wwe history? I think Lesnar has Sheamus beaten by about a week. quote:What shape is Taker in at this point? I hear lots of guesswork but is he really as banged up as people say? Apparently is shoulder is permanently damaged because he waited to have rotator cuff surgery too long. His knees have been bad for about half a decade now. He's probably capable of two decent angles a year, but that's about it. Don't be surprised at all if he's only working January-Wrestlemania from now on.
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Manwithastick posted:Can a comedy wrestler have success without going serious? Colt Cabana seems to be the only success I can think of which sucks for wrestlers like Colin Delaney who I think is great at the point where he won his first title, Mick Foley was playing the Mankind character as essentially a comedy character.
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Apr 11, 2011 17:06
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Manwithastick posted:What is the quickest debut to world champion run in wwe history? Buddy Rogers - Won the title on his 1st day in the company. 
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Apr 11, 2011 17:18
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Depends if you count Hogan's first run with the WWF in the late 70's as separate from the Hulkamania run a few years later. If so, Hogan won the belt a month after returning, which is a pretty big deal in 1983. And I hope to God that Taker doesn't do the dive next year. Not sure whether it's poor positioning, him not quite getting the air he used to, or wrestlers being dicks these days about actually catching guys doing aerial stuff, but he's landed on his head about 3 times now. I'd rather not have the Streak be unbroken because he broke his neck halfway through Taker/Triple H III.
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Apr 11, 2011 17:40
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The thing with Taker is that he has yet to have a match where he comes off as on old guy who's past his prime, IMO at least. He still wrestles a current WWE main event style and doesn't look out of place at all. I'm sure the average fan has no idea about his various injuries and how broken down his body may be. Considering the level at which he's still able to perform today, I see no reason why he couldn't be having mini-runs far into the future - like 2003 Hogan, 1996 Jake Roberts, or 1998 Terry Funk. Not saying that he should have runs like that, but I think he physically could. He could wrestle like he did when he first debuted, just be a no-selling monster that chokes people. Ideally though he'll pull an HBK and retire in top form.
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Apr 11, 2011 17:45
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Vince most certainly is, I believe his Wrestlemania match with Hart last year was supposed to be the end of the Mr McMahon character. As I understand it this doesn't mean he'll never be on television again, but he won't be playing the evil and vindictive Austin era McMahon.
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Apr 11, 2011 17:50
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What/where/when the hell is the origin of blading? Who came up with that great idea? edit: And how many pints has Hulk Hogan claimed to have bled?
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Apr 11, 2011 17:55
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Vince was on TV like 6 weeks ago when he announced the Guest Host of Mania thing
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Apr 11, 2011 17:55
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sportsgenius86 posted:Vince was on TV like 6 weeks ago when he announced the Guest Host of Mania thing Sue Denim posted:Vince most certainly is, I believe his Wrestlemania match with Hart last year was supposed to be the end of the Mr McMahon character. As I understand it this doesn't mean he'll never be on television again, but he won't be playing the evil and vindictive Austin era McMahon.
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Apr 11, 2011 18:36
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:I know. The original question referenced not remembering the last time we even saw McMahon.
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Mullah Nasrudin posted:What/where/when the hell is the origin of blading? Who came up with that great idea? I suspect somebody hardway bled during a match in the 40s and the bloodlust and pop from the audience made wrestlers want the same results Though I'd bet my shoes theres a more interesting version
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Apr 11, 2011 19:00
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Lamuella posted:at the point where he won his first title, Mick Foley was playing the Mankind character as essentially a comedy character. was this the rock vs Mankind feud? I thought that was all about him having enough of Vince and the Rock and getting all serious about taking the title from him?
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Apr 11, 2011 19:02
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Manwithastick posted:was this the rock vs Mankind feud? I thought that was all about him having enough of Vince and the Rock and getting all serious about taking the title from him? Makind had been mistreated by the Corporation and played for a fool. He got a little serious by threatening to break Shane's arm to receive a title shot, but they were still focusing on the sympathy/comedy side of things with him. Winning the belt was like the ultimate insult to Vince, since Mankind was the antithesis of what he wanted in a corporate champion, which is why Austin interfered to make it happen.
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Apr 11, 2011 19:47
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who does everyone see being Taker's next Mania match? They've left the door open for Taker/HHH 3 but it seems obvious. At this stage of the game they wouldn't necessarily put Taker in the ring with someone who would force Taker to do all of the 'heavy lifting' and they're not going to squander his energy making a star out of a new face. For sentimental purposes, if health and availability are not an issue, I'd mark for Foley to be next. The pure history of these men sells the match and both could be seen as possibly frail but singleminded warriors. They'd get a lot of Attitude Era fans buying that RRV as well.
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Apr 11, 2011 19:58
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Dead Snoopy posted:who does everyone see being Taker's next Mania match? They've left the door open for Taker/HHH 3 but it seems obvious. At this stage of the game they wouldn't necessarily put Taker in the ring with someone who would force Taker to do all of the 'heavy lifting' and they're not going to squander his energy making a star out of a new face. Never thought of Foley but its a great idea especially with the History. Have to say, I really want to see Sting, the action wouldnt be HBK/UT level of awesome but it would be a great "dream match" atmosphere
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Apr 11, 2011 20:01
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Manwithastick posted:Never thought of Foley but its a great idea especially with the History. Jesus Christ, Foley's essentially a cripple and you want him in the ring with a 46-year-old Undertaker? 
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Apr 11, 2011 20:02
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Timby posted:Jesus Christ, Foley's essentially a cripple and you want him in the ring with a 46-year-old Undertaker? If he can bring a Rocky Balboa cutout to a five star match there's nothing he can't do!
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Apr 11, 2011 20:08
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Timby posted:Jesus Christ, Foley's essentially a cripple and you want him in the ring with a 46-year-old Undertaker? I'd assume that in booking Foley it would No Holds Barred which would allow for all kinds of creativity, especially interference if necessary. You know you'd mark out if a planted Terry Funk took a free shot at Taker.
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Apr 11, 2011 20:39
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Orton rematch maybe? Orton is taken a lot more seriously now and has a career-ender gimmick.
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Apr 11, 2011 21:16
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I can't imagine how slowly a Orton vs Taker match would move. Maybe if Orton suddenly kicked everything into high gear, like he used to do so long ago, it would be good.
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Apr 11, 2011 21:17
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triplexpac posted:I can't imagine how slowly a Orton vs Taker match would move.
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Apr 11, 2011 21:24
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Apparently you guys have just completely forgotten that Randy's match plan used to be A Million Headlocks or that his match with Taker at WM21 was really, really good. It is because you reflexively and irrationally hate all babyfaces, but Randy forgives you.
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Apr 11, 2011 21:27
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Apparently you guys have just completely forgotten that Randy's match plan used to be A Million Headlocks or that his match with Taker at WM21 was really, really good. It is because you reflexively and irrationally hate all babyfaces, but Randy forgives you. I get that you've replaced Triple H with Orton as your "he must not be criticized, he is GOOD" figure, but Orton's matches have been utter dogshit since WrestleMania 25, probably a bit before. I mean, his match plan still is A Million Headlocks. Between promos and in-ring action, he's just boring. He's gotten completely and utterly complacent. You like to say he's Steve Austin with a better body -- that might be a better comparison if Orton had a goddamn personality.
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Apr 11, 2011 21:31
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Apparently you guys have just completely forgotten that Randy's match plan used to be A Million Headlocks or that his match with Taker at WM21 was really, really good. It is because you reflexively and irrationally hate all babyfaces, but Randy forgives you. Yeah but Orton in 04-05 was Orton at his best in ring. Matches with Foley, Edge, Benoit, all great.
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Apr 11, 2011 21:33
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Orton used to be decently fun to watch, I think. Unless I'm remembering things wrong. It's just once he took control of Legacy and got the persona we know today, he decided to slow things wayyyyyy down in the ring.
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Apr 11, 2011 21:37
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Minidust posted:Makind had been mistreated by the Corporation and played for a fool. He got a little serious by threatening to break Shane's arm to receive a title shot, but they were still focusing on the sympathy/comedy side of things with him. Winning the belt was like the ultimate insult to Vince, since Mankind was the antithesis of what he wanted in a corporate champion, which is why Austin interfered to make it happen. Austin's entrance during that match is quite possibly the best and loudest pop in wrestling history, its still loving amazing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEg1a4FGvTM
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Apr 11, 2011 21:56
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Timby posted:I get that you've replaced Triple H with Orton as your "he must not be criticized, he is GOOD" figure, but Orton's matches have been utter dogshit since WrestleMania 25, probably a bit before. This is the complaint that continually boggles my mind, since Orton is really one of the few guys with an actual personality. Like he is a completely deranged psychopath babyface who hates all other living things and somehow that is not a personality. It just leaves me with the impression that people are drinking kool-aid on this. I don't really want to say that because it implies lovely groupthink and ultra-smarkiness but there's not a lot else to conclude because the opinions just defy sense to me. Like his '07-'08 stuff is now apparently forgotten even though his title run was the best in years before and after, and pretty much featured the match of the night on every PPV. He is now slow even though as a babyface he picks the pace up even from that. Out of everyone in terms of in-ring, really only CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are as good and Bryan doesn't get any time.
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Apr 11, 2011 22:10
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I can't speak for Orton's stuff before the recent babyface turn, bro, but every single match he's had has just bored the poo poo out of me except for stuff like the triple-threat with Edge and Jericho or the Elimination Chamber.
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Apr 11, 2011 22:18
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Lloyd Boner posted:Yeah but Orton in 04-05 was Orton at his best in ring. Matches with Foley, Edge, Benoit, all great. If you couldn't have a good match with Benoit, in-his-prime Edge or a motivated Foley, you shouldn't be in wrestling. Orton had those things, and he still shouldn't be in wrestling.
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Apr 11, 2011 22:54
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The Goog posted:If you couldn't have a good match with Benoit, in-his-prime Edge or a motivated Foley, you shouldn't be in wrestling. Orton had those things, and he still shouldn't be in wrestling. Yes he should, it's just that he should stop being booked like a nineties era retooled super hero.
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Apr 11, 2011 22:57
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Do you guys still think that certain workers aren't told to work a certain style?
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The Goog posted:If you couldn't have a good match with Benoit, in-his-prime Edge or a motivated Foley, you shouldn't be in wrestling. Orton had those things, and he still shouldn't be in wrestling. Orton was entertaining as gently caress right after his face turn. He was basically a psychopath that nobody wanted to mess with and they stayed far away. Even Nexus, who was beating the poo poo out of Cena nightly, wanted nothing to do with him. Not so much because they couldn't beat him, but because they knew he'd gently caress some poo poo right up while they did. Then he became Standard Face #3 and was invincible and I gave up.
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Apr 11, 2011 22:57
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The Goog posted:If you couldn't have a good match with Benoit, in-his-prime Edge or a motivated Foley, you shouldn't be in wrestling. Orton had those things, and he still shouldn't be in wrestling. After Wrestlemania 27, no one with a Mizatar gets to decide who else is allowed to wrestle.
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Apr 11, 2011 23:27
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:After Wrestlemania 27, no one with a Mizatar gets to decide who else is allowed to wrestle. I think his avatar is Toxx related.
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Apr 11, 2011 23:39
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weekly font posted:Do you guys still think that certain workers aren't told to work a certain style? WWE style Mistico: chop chop irish whip bulldog and repeat
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Apr 11, 2011 23:43
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Timby posted:if Orton had a goddamn personality. How is "completely bat poo poo crazy" not a personality? Is it just his voice you hate? I like Orton's character. Sure, he's not the best wrestler on the planet by any means, but to say he lacks personality is pretty 2007-8 to me. I think he's had a pretty decent character since Legacy's destruction.
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TheOneTrueKing posted:How is "completely bat poo poo crazy" not a personality? Is it just his voice you hate? I like Orton's character. Sure, he's not the best wrestler on the planet by any means, but to say he lacks personality is pretty 2007-8 to me. I think he's had a pretty decent character since Legacy's destruction. Orton does have a character, but from what I've seen (since Elimination Chamber) it doesn't make sense. He is a legit psycho, he enjoys hurting people and he happily ends careers. So I should cheer for him rather than the guy who he screwed out of a title win because....?
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Rarity posted:Orton does have a character, but from what I've seen (since Elimination Chamber) it doesn't make sense. He is a legit psycho, he enjoys hurting people and he happily ends careers. So I should cheer for him rather than the guy who he screwed out of a title win because....? A vindictive, petty and scheming little dude versus a force of nature. Makes perfect wrestling sense.
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Orton has basically never had a particularly good match as a face. He works too slowly to show good face fire, his comebacks suck, his character doesn't fit as a face, and his selling is just abysmal. He's a very good heel and he really needs to be one because it's not like this is the first time he's pretty much flopped in this role.
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jeffersonlives posted:Orton has basically never had a particularly good match as a face. He works too slowly to show good face fire, his comebacks suck, his character doesn't fit as a face, and his selling is just abysmal. He's a very good heel and he really needs to be one because it's not like this is the first time he's pretty much flopped in this role. Good lord, as terrible as he is as a face, at least it gives him some offense beyond a million headlocks.
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