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TheGoatTrick posted:Given projected sales numbers, these cars only make sense if the development cost is shared with another company. I wonder what their plan is, are they going to rebadge an M4?
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oRenj9 posted:I wonder what their plan is, are they going to rebadge an M4? The Toyota/BMW project has always been a new, jointly-developed platform. I would expect it to underpin a Z4 or some other, new BMW roadster sometime down the road.
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MrChips posted:The Toyota/BMW project has always been a new, jointly-developed platform. I would expect it to underpin a Z4 or some other, new BMW roadster sometime down the road. It makes sense. BMW probably wants to keep a coupe/roadster in their lineup, but can't really justify an entire production line for just that one model. Toyota seems desperate to get a halo coupe to the market, but can't justify creating an entire new production line for one. LHD drive models can be built in Europe/America, RHD in Japan and the UK.
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It's one of the farther out-there collaborations, that's for sure. What's next... Lamborghini & Hyundai? Although I think that would make for a very interesting Veloster refresh.
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Jul 14, 2014 01:09
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Volvo and Nissan? NEVS/SAAB and Chery?
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So the Toyota-BMW will have no soul AND no cooling system.
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atomicthumbs posted:Volvo and Nissan? Considering that Renault and Volvo have collaborated before (PRV engine) and Nissan is practically merged with Renault at this point, that's not particularly far-fetched. PBCrunch posted:So the Toyota-BMW will have no soul AND no cooling system. No, it's Neo-BMW + Toyota, so the cooling system will be fine, but the electric power steering will have no feedback and they'll find the most awkward place to put the oil filter.
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Devyl posted:It's one of the farther out-there collaborations, that's for sure. What's next... Lamborghini & Hyundai? Although I think that would make for a very interesting Veloster refresh. it's hardly chalk and cheese, they're both major mass production car companies. Toyota is definitely a lot bigger, but BMW still has multiple distributed manufacturing plants all over the world.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Considering that Renault and Volvo have collaborated before (PRV engine) and Nissan is practically merged with Renault at this point, that's not particularly far-fetched. It is because Volvo is a Chinese company.
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Throatwarbler posted:It is because Volvo is a Chinese company. I thought Saab was the one that got bought by the Chinese. Or did both of the Swede companies get taken by China? Haven't kept up with what happened to Volvo after Ford sold them.
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HotCanadianChick posted:I thought Saab was the one that got bought by the Chinese. Or did both of the Swede companies get taken by China? Haven't kept up with what happened to Volvo after Ford sold them. Nobody did. I'm sure there are people who work for volvo who are surprised to hear they're still making cars. Volvo is owned by geely. saab is owned by some rich guy from hong kong.
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Powershift posted:Nobody did. I'm sure there are people who work for volvo who are surprised to hear they're still making cars. And now both companies are making their best products to date 
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Devyl posted:It's one of the farther out-there collaborations, that's for sure. What's next... Lamborghini & Hyundai? Although I think that would make for a very interesting Veloster refresh. Hyundai hired Lotus to do chassis tuning on the new Genesis.
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Friar Zucchini posted:So the Fusion has lost the 1.6 and manual option for 2015, but instead you can get AWD on the mid-level trim with the 2.0 now. So my Manual fusion is now a "rare 2 year option". I'll be rich some day.
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PeterWeller posted:Hyundai hired Lotus to do chassis tuning on the new Genesis. Lotus has done chassis tuning for a lot of OEMs, and no doubt will continue to do so in the future.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Lotus has done chassis tuning for a lot of OEMs, and no doubt will continue to do so in the future. Oh, so we're all going to die horrible deaths because of single sheer toe links in the rear due to Chassis Tuning By Lotus? Great.
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PeterWeller posted:Hyundai hired Lotus to do chassis tuning on the new Genesis.
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InitialDave posted:Didn't Hyundai own Lotus at one point? No. Proton still own them though.
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drgitlin posted:No. Proton still own them though.
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PeterWeller posted:Hyundai hired Lotus to do chassis tuning on the new Genesis. That's good because at least with Kia their idea of sporty handling is just to make the car a hard ride. I think I've read they're getting better though.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Lotus has done chassis tuning for a lot of OEMs, and no doubt will continue to do so in the future. Yeah, didn't Toyota bring them in on the last Supra? Toyota is pretty big on working with other manufacturers on their performance cars. The twins are one example. Yamaha built the Celica GTS motors and some of their other high revvers.
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, didn't Toyota bring them in on the last Supra? Yamaha co-designed pretty much all the G-head engines (4A-G(Z)E, 3S-G(T)E, 5M-GE, 7M-G(T)E, 1/2JZ-G(T)E, etc), and they outright built the 2000GT (the whole car) in Yamaha factories before slapping on the Toyota badges. There's a shocking amount of similarity between the 20v 4 banger in my Yamaha bike and a built 20V blacktop 4A-GE.
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Jul 14, 2014 21:18
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Yamaha also did the Zetec-S engines in small Fords.
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InitialDave posted:Yamaha also did the Zetec-S engines in small Fords. And the V6 in the SHO. Gotta love an engine that was rev limited due to the loving accessory drive, not the valvetrain or bottom end.
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Jul 14, 2014 21:28
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MrSaturn posted:Whoa, really? How did that work? Exactly like it sounds, either the alternator or the waterpump couldn't safely spin at 8,000 RPM like the rest of the engine so they reduced the redline.
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Was it the V6 or V8 that had the loving interference-fit cam gears (as in, nothing else holding them on but friction)?
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That was the V8 that had the press-fit cam lobes that didn't like to stay put
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Yamaha also built the V8 that Volvo put in the XC90 and S80.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Yamaha co-designed pretty much all the G-head engines (4A-G(Z)E, 3S-G(T)E, 5M-GE, 7M-G(T)E, 1/2JZ-G(T)E, etc), and they outright built the 2000GT (the whole car) in Yamaha factories before slapping on the Toyota badges. Ahh, I didn't realize it was that extensive. I shouldn't be surprised. Car makers share a lot more than might be immediately evident, and sometimes it's some unexpected stuff. For some time, BMW used GM automatics. Also, that Yamaha designed and built V6 in the SHO is one of the prettiest motors ever made. I love that intake manifold.
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oRenj9 posted:I wonder what their plan is, are they going to rebadge an M4? If they do share platforms, will BMW let the Supra be as good or better than the M4? I remember BMW kept some options off the 335i because they didn't want it to compete with the M3 at the time. Whoever was involved in making that decisions probably won't be happy that a Toyota car on the same platform would be superior to the BMW in any way.
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Are we talking about the first sho or the new sho? Assuming first.
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Xguard86 posted:Are we talking about the first sho or the new sho? Assuming first. First SHO. The current one has the 3.5L V6 EcoBoost found in many other Ford vehicles.
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PeterWeller posted:Ahh, I didn't realize it was that extensive. I shouldn't be surprised. Car makers share a lot more than might be immediately evident, and sometimes it's some unexpected stuff. For some time, BMW used GM automatics. Volvo and Toyota used the same automatics on various cars, too. Edit: and some Volvo 960s used an AW-30-41LE transmission, as did the LS400 and 1JZ-GTE-equipped Chaser/Mark II 
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There are a limited number of T1 suppliers in the world, so pretty much everyone uses "the same" things as at least one other OEM.
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skipdogg posted:First SHO. The current one has the 3.5L V6 EcoBoost found in many other Ford vehicles. That's what I thought, so it was very confusing.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:There are a limited number of T1 suppliers in the world, so pretty much everyone uses "the same" things as at least one other OEM. Yeah, this is very noticeable in the case of transmissions. I think every hi-po American V8 uses the Tremec T6 for its manual option. Getrags are in everything these days. Aisins are in tons of Japanese sports cars.
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Toyota owns 30% of Aisin. I misremembered and thought they owned the whole thing.
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Quite sensibly, the next Genesis coupe may be a coupe version of the Genesis, and not an off-brand 240SX. http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/B1A2C6AD23BF735CCA257D080082F5D4
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I was just saying that there aren't enough $40,000 6 cylinder coupes on the market. The lexus RC, infiniti Q60, mercedes c350, BMW 435i, audi s5, and cadillac ats coupe all leave such a huge gap in what i'm sure is a massive segment of the industry.
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