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Throatwarbler posted:Quite sensibly, the next Genesis coupe may be a coupe version of the Genesis, and not an off-brand 240SX. I made embarrassing moaning noises at this. Love that roofline.
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Powershift posted:I was just saying that there aren't enough $40,000 6 cylinder coupes on the market. The lexus RC, infiniti Q60, mercedes c350, BMW 435i, audi s5, and cadillac ats coupe all leave such a huge gap in what i'm sure is a massive segment of the industry. "$40k coupes" actually is a reasonably big segment? All those cars do exist for a reason and I thought the current Genesis close to $40k anyway when you load it up with the V6. What Hyundai actually wants to do is a larger 6 series/E-class coupe competitor.
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That would make more sense as an equus coupe. A genesis coupe will never escape mustang comparisons.
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Jul 16, 2014 02:35
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Jul 16, 2014 02:49
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Powershift posted:That would make more sense as an equus coupe. A genesis coupe will never escape mustang comparisons. That's what they want to do though - a "Genesis Coupe", not a "small sports car that shares the same name as a full size sedan for some reason". I don't think it needs to be an Equus, no one other than Mercedes makes a coupe that big. Speaking of which, here's the S65 coupe. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/14/2015-s65-amg-coupe-is-186-miles-per-hour-of-pure-luxury/ Looks all right I suppose.
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Powershift posted:That would make more sense as an equus coupe. A genesis coupe will never escape mustang comparisons. The Genesis Coupe seems to be a pretty solid pony car, but it is a little bit heavier than the Mustang and less powerful, if you're comparing I4 to V6 and V6 to V8. It does seem to be significantly behind on fuel economy if anything, which is probably not a priority for most pony car buyers. I drive a stick V6 Mustang and have averaged lifetime 25mpg, and my brother in law drives an 8spd auto V6 Genesis Coupe, and has averaged 16.5 mpg. The Gencoupe is noticeably nicer inside though, and definitely has bigger rubber on it.
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Powershift posted:That would make more sense as an equus coupe. A genesis coupe will never escape mustang comparisons. Well, it was obviously created to compete with the Mustang. It's the same size and matched the price and power of the Mustang exactly, in 2010 at least. Now, I think Hyundai has realized that the demographic buying these are looking for a cheap G coupe, not a foreign pony car. When you read GC forums, it's pretty clear that most of the owners see their car as a G/Z alternative, not a Mustang alternative. While the car reviewers will constantly put it up against the Mustang, I doubt the people actually buying the car will consider it an option. Throatwarbler posted:"$40k coupes" actually is a reasonably big segment? All those cars do exist for a reason and I thought the current Genesis close to $40k anyway when you load it up with the V6. What Hyundai actually wants to do is a larger 6 series/E-class coupe competitor. When I was shopping, the Hyundai dealership basically begged me to take a loaded V6 for 27,000. It was a nice car and the 8 speed is slick as poo poo. I'm surprised that they have such a hard time moving them.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:50
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Too many people remember the Tiburon
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Twerk from Home posted:Exactly like it sounds, either the alternator or the waterpump couldn't safely spin at 8,000 RPM like the rest of the engine so they reduced the redline. I believe the LT5 in the C4 ZR-1s also were limited by the accessory drive. Sounds like a good excuse for underdrive pulleys. 
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Powershift posted:I was just saying that there aren't enough $40,000 6 cylinder coupes on the market. The lexus RC, infiniti Q60, mercedes c350, BMW 435i, audi s5, and cadillac ats coupe all leave such a huge gap in what i'm sure is a massive segment of the industry. Well at least the interior in the Hyundai will hold up better than the Cadillac.
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oRenj9 posted:Well, it was obviously created to compete with the Mustang. It's the same size and matched the price and power of the Mustang exactly, in 2010 at least. Now, I think Hyundai has realized that the demographic buying these are looking for a cheap G coupe, not a foreign pony car. When you read GC forums, it's pretty clear that most of the owners see their car as a G/Z alternative, not a Mustang alternative.
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InitialDave posted:Welp, yep, that jogged my memory. Not sure why i thought it was Hyundai.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Too many people remember the Tiburon What even is the story of this piece of poo poo? It's one of the most god awful looking things I've ever seen
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Bob NewSCART posted:What even is the story of this piece of poo poo? It's one of the most god awful looking things I've ever seen They were in a race to the bottom with the Mitsubishi Eclipse, and goddamnit, they were going to get to the bottom FIRST!
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sean10mm posted:They were in a race to the bottom with the Mitsubishi Eclipse, and goddamnit, they were going to get to the bottom FIRST! I actually didn't mind the last generation Tiburon, and the V6 sounded marvelous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzColdobzDE
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Jul 16, 2014 13:51
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ilkhan posted:The 2015 Mustang will make a pretty solid G-Coupe/370Z fighter, as if the current gen wasn't (drat solid axle bias anyway). I always thought the Z was too expensive, too heavy and down on power compared to the mustang. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to stack up against the v6 better than the v8 but at the cost of the v8.
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Sadi posted:I always thought the Z was too expensive, too heavy and down on power compared to the mustang. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to stack up against the v6 better than the v8 but at the cost of the v8. I thought the Z has always been lighter than the Mustang?
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angryhampster posted:I actually didn't mind the last generation Tiburon, and the V6 sounded marvelous. I'd say the last gen tiburon was the turning point for Hyundai. It was their first properly decent car with ok fit and finish and a peppy engine. Plus a decent feeling 6 speed manual.
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Coredump posted:I thought the Z has always been lighter than the Mustang?
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I almost bought a 2003 Tibby back in the day, but I didn't care for the drivetrain. They took the 2.7L V6 felt like a truck engine, and the 6 speed wasn't anything to write home about. Supposed pricing on the Hellcat has been leaked... MSRP starting under 60K which is insanity.
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85 bucks a horse. How does that compare to other cars on the HP/cost scale?
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According to the list Jalopnik came up with, the Hellcat gives you the 8th best bang for your buck. It beats out the Mazdaspeed 3 ($82/hp), Versa ($110/hp), and C7 ($111/hp) on their top 10 list. The Ram Tradesman with the hemi is the king of cheap power at $57/hp.
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Photos of the new Mazda2 are out and it's beautiful. I like it better than the 3. Sorry for the Jalopnik link: http://jalopnik.com/2015-mazda2-this-is-it-1605953651
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skipdogg posted:I almost bought a 2003 Tibby back in the day, but I didn't care for the drivetrain. They took the 2.7L V6 felt like a truck engine, and the 6 speed wasn't anything to write home about. I want to see 2015 Charger prices now; it's a tempting looking car.
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blk posted:Photos of the new Mazda2 are out and it's beautiful. I like it better than the 3. Sorry for the Jalopnik link: http://jalopnik.com/2015-mazda2-this-is-it-1605953651 I hope it comes to the states with the timbo diesel. 185ft-lbs of stump pulling action. Gonna piggyback on this... I have some work I don't want to do, so I browsed over to mnet, this is a repost of what I just posted in the MEGAMAN THREAD: Mark Booth has been dropping some truth bombs on Miata.net in regards to the ND. The dude is obviously a Mazda Community Outreach/Crowd Control guy. Latest stuff: 160-165 HP 155-158 Ft-lbs ~2350 lbs The 2015 Mazda2 has been semi-revealed and he also said that the focus groups for the ND were shown extremely similar interior designs. The weight is a bit depressing; however, same power as the NC, +15 ft-lbs, and a 200 lb diet isn't going to be something I'll cry myself to sleep about. There will definitely before area under the curve, too.
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poo poo. If I can really buy a Hellcat for 60K that might knock the C7 off of the list. The C7 is a better car, for sure, but, well.... GROWL
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I think for your 60k and a set of drag slicks you can have a 10 second car. (10.9)
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eyebeem posted:poo poo. If I can really buy a Hellcat for 60K that might knock the C7 off of the list. The C7 is a better car, for sure, but, well.... ilkhan fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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eyebeem posted:poo poo. If I can really buy a Hellcat for 60K Good luck with that. I'm imagining $10k markups minimum. I'd be interested, but it's not the kind of car I'm looking for. I'd definitely take a C7 or even a Z28 over it.
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I can throw my kids in the backseat of the Hellcat, too. You can't do that with a C7.
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fknlo posted:Good luck with that. I'm imagining $10k markups minimum. I remember the first year of the C6 I was living in a small town, happened to look online and saw there was one on the lot at my local dealer walked into their showroom just to take a look at one in person out of curiosity, there was a huge sticker on the windshield that said something along the lines of "MSRP $XX,XXX + $25,000 markup due to rarity, YOU WON'T FIND ANOTHER IN THE STATE!!!!!!!" I just can't imagine how that works as a marketing technique, especially in a small town. "Spend twice what you did on your house on this Chevrolet!!!!"
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eyebeem posted:I can throw my kids in the backseat of the Hellcat, too. You can't do that with a C7. That's what the hatch is for duh
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eyebeem posted:I can throw my kids in the backseat of the Hellcat, too. You can't do that with a C7. Might this be the first car that can run a 10.9 with a baby seat?
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eyebeem posted:I can throw my kids in the backseat of the Hellcat, too. You can't do that with a C7.
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PCOS Bill posted:I remember the first year of the C6 I was living in a small town, happened to look online and saw there was one on the lot at my local dealer walked into their showroom just to take a look at one in person out of curiosity, there was a huge sticker on the windshield that said something along the lines of "MSRP $XX,XXX + $25,000 markup due to rarity, YOU WON'T FIND ANOTHER IN THE STATE!!!!!!!" I stopped by my local Subaru dealer today and they wanted 5k due to rarity beyond blk fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Who missed the bulbous blobby 90s? 
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Listen, it's better than the old Fortwo, and the PT Cruiser, and the Aztek.
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Powershift posted:Who missed the bulbous blobby 90s? It is not awful like the the current one. I was reading that is shares a platform with the Renault Twingo, so that's cool? Other than that in white it looks like a washing machine.
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Fayez Butts posted:Listen, it's better than the old Fortwo, and the PT Cruiser, and the Aztek. Nope, nope, and nope. Worse than all three
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BabyMauler posted:It is not awful like the the current one. I was reading that is shares a platform with the Renault Twingo, so that's cool? Other than that in white it looks like a washing machine. For a car that, I suspect, will mostly be used laundromat-style (i.e. Car 2 Go, where you pay by the minute to drive a Fortwo around town), that's pretty apt. It's already so appliance-like the Prius looks like a Corvette in comparison.
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