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Razzled posted:This show is so lame, do people actually think this is better than F/Z? That said this thread has actually made me start disliking F/Z so I probably need to watch it again to remind myself why it's super good. EDIT: Cake Attack posted:fate stay night is epic
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Jun 7, 2015 05:43
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Sylphid posted:That was probably the most tasteful way to handful that particular point in the story. I imagine Shirou's battle with Gilgamesh will happen over episode 23 and at least the first half of 24. I can't imagine much time needs to be spent on the epilogue. I actually read the SA LP for it a long time ago, kind of forgot about it, and generally wasn't part of the Fate/Zero buzz when it came out since I wasn't interested back then (looking back on how that went, I'm kind of glad). I was more of a Tsukihime fan before I decided to explore the rest of the Type-Moon universe proper by marathoning the Kara no Kyoukai movies, then marathoning F/Z, and then watching Carnival Phantasm. When I saw that UBW was going to be adapted, I was kinda hyped because it looked pretty (I'm shallow). I've avoided the DEEN adaptions although I do remember trying to watch the movie and then probably wiped that out of my mind. /fate testimonial The epilogue better have Waver in it.
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Jun 7, 2015 05:47
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Twiddy posted:I mean, you do know there's an entire model of literary critique based around that idea, right? (As in, climax and resolution occurs far before the literal ending of a story and the rest of the story is clean up from that climax and resolution) It's not weird at all, it's just a consequence of looking at one of the many ways you can look at stories. The Scouring of the Shire is a good example of this.
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Jun 7, 2015 06:30
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I was hoping for the jackhammer but this was barely even dolphins.
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Jun 7, 2015 06:43
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So why not just go like: ~mana blobdolphins or whatever that was "t-that's not all" Rin kisses him and fade to black. He wakes up and they are cuddled up under the blanket and he looks pensively at the magic crest. BAM no horribly written porn to animate and the two dummies get to hook up before they go off to their probable death fighting
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Jun 7, 2015 15:20
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Unacceptable, that would imply some degree of competency on Shirou's part.
Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Jun 7, 2015 15:24
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Too heterosexual and *blahblahbetamalewinsblahblahtoxicmasculinityblahblahANN*
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Jun 7, 2015 15:36
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secondaries
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Jun 7, 2015 15:38
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That would assume that any anime character has a healthy attitude towards sex.
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Jun 7, 2015 15:40
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I guess i would have also accepted this
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Jun 7, 2015 16:13
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a kitten posted:I guess i would have also accepted this Amazing. With how dense Shirou can be, it's probably for the best that no jackhammering happened this adaptation 
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Jun 7, 2015 17:36
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Maybe Rin is a tsuntsundere. Or is that tsun-tsundere? Hmmmm, kinda sounds like a bike revving. Tsun. Tsun. TsuntsuntsunTSUNTSUNTSUUNNDEEEEEEREEEEEEE!!!!! On a slightly more serious note I'm sure their plan is going to fail. There's what, four episodes left? No way it'll work. ZoninSilver posted:With how dense Shirou can be, it's probably for the best that no jackhammering happened this adaptation 
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Jun 7, 2015 23:11
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Clearly Tohsaka has improved her defenses.
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Jun 7, 2015 23:17
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Oh god how many episodes are they going to draw out Gil vs Shirou over.
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Jun 8, 2015 00:11
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Fangz posted:Oh god how many episodes are they going to draw out Gil vs Shirou over. Two episodes left in the season, yeah?
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Jun 8, 2015 00:21
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ETB posted:Two episodes left in the season, yeah? ANN claims three more, not sure how reliable their info is. Last one should be double-length. Don't worry though, considering the source material the pacing should be alright. Remember that the fight with Gilgamesh isn't the only thing left- I'd suggest rewatching the next episode preview.
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Jun 8, 2015 00:26
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Compendium posted:Too heterosexual and *blahblahbetamalewinsblahblahtoxicmasculinityblahblahANN* Christ, people got real pissy about getting feminism in their anime history deathmatch show, didn't they?
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Jun 8, 2015 02:43
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It's not the feminist part, it's the terrible writing mixed with borderline lies (Kirei's evil is the result of Risei's neglect lolwut)
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Jun 8, 2015 03:40
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Rodyle posted:It's not the feminist part, it's the terrible writing mixed with borderline lies (Kirei's evil is the result of Risei's neglect lolwut) F/Z does offer decent room for interpretation on that, though. They have a weirdly distant, one-sided relationship that raises serious questions about how much of Kirei's deal is nature versus nurture in that version of the story (especially since Urobuchi is such a huge fan of nerding out about mental disorders, and real-world psychopathy has a significant nurture component). Kirei has issues, but the repressive, dehumanising life he was born into can't have helped (he's basically a weapon for his dad with an ultra-strict Catholic upbringing that denies most forms of personal pleasure - you don't need to be a rocket scientist to see how that might warp his appetites and means of indulging them a little).
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Jun 8, 2015 03:53
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If there's anything I learned about Fate, people tend to look at what's being presented through very different lenses for better or for worse. The reviewer saw the episode of Shirou and Archer's fight as a, "this is what a man should be and it pisses me off for trying to sell that" while I saw the episode as, "here is what Shirou is fighting for and what he's fighting for is a descent into despair, but he's able to find worth even in the pit of that." Maybe my glasses are rose colored as gently caress though, so I don't know.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:54
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Personally, I just think that the no name writer is bad, and that we shouldn't talk about them at all anymore.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:10
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Personally, I just think that the no name writer is bad, and that we shouldn't talk about them at all anymore. Yeah But I think everyone in this thread should just quit talking about F/SN
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Jun 8, 2015 04:16
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littleorv posted:Yeah
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Jun 8, 2015 08:59
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Twiddy posted:Man I know I'm part of the problem there but at least discussion every time a new episode comes out is focused on Rin faces. Yeah but at least it's new faces every time it happens. The morals discussion is just the same thing all of the time.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:56
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The more I watch this show, the more I realize that this whole story is pretty bad. I loved it as a teenager when I read it, but I think nostalgia was the only thing keeping me watching this long. The adaptation is solid, but UBW just isn't very good. Hopefully the upcoming fight will change my mind, but if nothing has really impressed me other than a couple of neat scenes so far, I kinda doubt it will.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:36
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littleorv posted:Yeah but at least it's new faces every time it happens. The morals discussion is just the same thing all of the time.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:39
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Rodyle posted:It's not the feminist part, it's the terrible writing mixed with borderline lies (Kirei's evil is the result of Risei's neglect lolwut) Kirei was always a born psychopath who just had it repressed by his Catholic upbringing and his own guilt until he was convinced to go and let it all out by Gil. Honestly if he wasn't adopted he would probably just become a serial killer like Ryuunosuke.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:52
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Sergeant_Crunch posted:The more I watch this show, the more I realize that this whole story is pretty bad. I loved it as a teenager when I read it, but I think nostalgia was the only thing keeping me watching this long. The adaptation is solid, but UBW just isn't very good. Hopefully the upcoming fight will change my mind, but if nothing has really impressed me other than a couple of neat scenes so far, I kinda doubt it will. I'm starting to feel the same way. At this point, I consider UBW an investment for my enjoyment of Hollow Ataraxia and Carnival Phantasm. I'll rewatch Carnival Phantasm a dozen times before I re-read UBW.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:53
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I don't remember if the anime mentioned that but he never felt any joy on normal stuff (except for Mapo Tofu lol) and when his wife died of disease his only wish was that he killed her with his own hands because it could actually make him feel something. That's p much a textbook sociopath.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:54
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:I don't remember if the anime mentioned that but he never felt any joy on normal stuff (except for Mapo Tofu lol) and when his wife died of disease his only wish was that he killed her with his own hands because it could actually make him feel something. That's p much a textbook sociopath. Sure, but see my above post on how the Fate/zero version of him still allows for a nurture element in how he turned out. Urobuchi is, as mentioned, a psychology nerd, and sociopathy is actually a form of arrested development that can be treated if caught early (or exacerbated if you're raised... well, pretty much like Kirei was).
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Jun 8, 2015 18:58
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:I don't remember if the anime mentioned that but he never felt any joy on normal stuff (except for Mapo Tofu lol) and when his wife died of disease his only wish was that he killed her with his own hands because it could actually make him feel something. That's p much a textbook sociopath.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:00
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Nate RFB posted:That's all Heaven's Feel, isn't it?
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Jun 8, 2015 21:08
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Twiddy posted:Yeah that's all Heaven's Feel. That said I'm not sure how much time they're going to get with Kirie's back story in a movie adaptation, especially since (as has been discussed) internal monologue and back stories can be a real bitch to do when you don't take the chance to do an entire episode about it. I recall HF having a lot less internal monologuing, though I could be wrong since it's been a while. I've always felt UBW would be the toughest route to adapt though, since it goes the heaviest on the internal monologues out of the three routes and the climactic scene in the VN is literally two concurrent internal monologues lol.
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Jun 8, 2015 21:38
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Regarding the Kiritsugu stuff, the reason he's wrong is this: In real life it is impossible to know for sure what the results of your actions will be. As a result, if your actions are "killing a bunch of people" and you turn out to be wrong, great job - you've still killed a bunch of people. In a perfect world where Kiritsugu could magically know that killing 10 people would, in fact, save 100, then yes - he would be correct. But the real world doesn't work like that. Hope that helps.
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Jun 11, 2015 01:08
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If you finish a post on the internet with "hope that helps" the answer is pretty much always "no" Hope that helps
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Jun 11, 2015 01:33
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Ytlaya posted:Regarding the Kiritsugu stuff, the reason he's wrong is this: In real life it is impossible to know for sure what the results of your actions will be. As a result, if your actions are "killing a bunch of people" and you turn out to be wrong, great job - you've still killed a bunch of people. In a perfect world where Kiritsugu could magically know that killing 10 people would, in fact, save 100, then yes - he would be correct. But the real world doesn't work like that. When you are shooting down a plane filled with zombifying killer bees and hundreds of ghouls before it can land in a crowded airport, I think the answer is, yes, that is the right call.
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Jun 11, 2015 03:02
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Inversely, that scenario is loving stupid.
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Jun 11, 2015 03:03
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Beef Waifu posted:Inversely, that scenario is loving stupid. Also true, which is kinda why the moral message is kinda awkward. Kiritsugu as depicted is not nearly as much of an arsehole as the narrative needs him to be.
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Beef Waifu posted:Inversely, that scenario is loving stupid. Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce you to conflict in the Nasuverse.
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