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Rysithusiku posted:
Nipple-PPC Summoners are, as I understand, supposed to be good due to the absurd refire rate they get due to quirks. They seem more annoying than anything else, personally. 2 PPCs as the sole armament of a 70 or so ton mech seems pretty drat anemic.
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Nov 14, 2016 13:35
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Rysithusiku posted:
Maybe it IS the best mech in the game, if it is played by the best players in the world. For everyone who isnt, though, its garbage.
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Nov 14, 2016 13:56
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Whats wrong with the 5 srm 6 one? looks great on paper
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Zebulon posted:Nipple-PPC Summoners are, as I understand, supposed to be good due to the absurd refire rate they get due to quirks. They seem more annoying than anything else, personally. 2 PPCs as the sole armament of a 70 or so ton mech seems pretty drat anemic. I'm actually going to defend this build, because I've used it to good effect. After I got the Loyalty Summoners, I couldn't figure out what to do with them. Then I happened upon this idea on YouTube, then tweaked it a little. SMN-M(L) With the Range 5 and Cooldown 5 modules for the Clan ERPPCs, it fires fast enough that even with staggering one PPC at a time you can overwhelm your heatsinks pretty quickly even on normal maps (ie not Caustic or Terra). I'm not going to argue that it's a super pro build, but it's actually pretty effective, considering the stupid splash damage mechanic the PPCs have. Plus the mounts let you hillhump super effectively. I've had a lot of really good matches in it.
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Just run the ppc gargoyle and poo poo all over everyone if you want to do something like that. The gargoyle can get away with a lot of retarded builds and do ridiculously well because it has stupid quirks and enough tonnage to either pack heat sinks or ammo for your guns. Two LBX2s and 2 flamers is my favorite stupid gargoyle build. It's really, really bad on paper, but in games you can very easily dish out 600+ damage very consistently with it. It has a stupidly long range that shakes enemy mechs while you're fighting them, so they can't actually shoot back at you with lasers or gauss, you accelerate at a really dumb speed for your size so you can wiggle back and forth at that range, and when someone does finally close on you your LBX2s don't generate any heat so you can flame them for 12+ seconds before you even have to worry at all about overheating. The gargoyle is also one of the few assault mechs that is fast enough to run completely around an overheated target to shoot them in the back. Commoners fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 15:22
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Whats wrong with the 5 srm 6 one? looks great on paper The arms are fragile and fall off, and they're so low slung they have a bad tendency to fire most of the missiles straight into the ground.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:33
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If you're going to be using one of the flying around jump jet mechs you want most of your weapons in your arms, and you want to force fights where it's your arm weapons vs. the enemy mech's arm weapons. Summoners get poo poo all for their arms and they are also huge so they snap off like twigs and take all your guns with them. If you're not using your jump jets at every waking moment you may as well run a gargoyle which has super good quirks and is an actually functional mech compared to the summoner. The vindicator is a good example of a mech where you load down all the arms and never touch the ground while fighting the enemy. It's also why the Saint Ives Blue is so bad, most of its hard points are in the torso and head, so it can't take advantage of its jump jets to force arm weapon vs. arm weapon fights.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:46
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Skoll posted:Thanks for Centurion Ops, goons. poo poo was fun. CentOps ruled. I now know that I need to invest in a XL Engine for my
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Nov 14, 2016 15:50
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XL engine centurions are suicide machines, because the centurion relies heavily on torso twisting and sacrificing your shield side to keep you alive for a longer time, but if you outfit the entire team with them then they can roll in on people with such large amounts of firepower that it doesn't really matter anymore that they are that much more fragile. Going max engine on the D is hilarious because that thing can outrun some lights with the biggest engine.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:00
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Commoners posted:The vindicator is a good example of a mech where you load down all the arms and never touch the ground while fighting the enemy. It's also why the Saint Ives Blue is so bad, most of its hard points are in the torso and head, so it can't take advantage of its jump jets to force arm weapon vs. arm weapon fights. The vindicator is very quickly becoming my favorite bad mech. It spreads damage very well, to the point my usual match with them results in having zero armor left anywhere but maybe a rear torso. Great quirks too.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:26
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Commoners posted:XL engine centurions are suicide machines, because the centurion relies heavily on torso twisting and sacrificing your shield side to keep you alive for a longer time, but if you outfit the entire team with them then they can roll in on people with such large amounts of firepower that it doesn't really matter anymore that they are that much more fragile. Going max engine on the D is hilarious because that thing can outrun some lights with the biggest engine. I didn't die to a single side torso kill last night actually. Chalk it down to experience or the Cent just being godly.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:29
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Rysithusiku posted:
the summoner has been a bad mech so long that this reaction is understandable, but this build http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=189&l=d7c871b29bf95daecc8fe825161de17f0c45fff5 gets 30% velocity, 10% heat, and 15% cooldown on ERPPCs, which are both mounted at about cockpit height, and suddenly all those locked jump jets on the summoner let you poptart for days
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Nov 14, 2016 16:32
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Skoll posted:I didn't die to a single side torso kill last night actually. Chalk it down to experience or the Cent just being godly. Or to the other side sending one mech at a time.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:18
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Pattonesque posted:the summoner has been a bad mech so long that this reaction is understandable, but this build If you like that try the TDR-9S. No jump jets, but even taller hardpoints, crazy better quirks (25% cooldown 20% heat), superior IS ERPPCs, and enough spare tonnage to run either some backup MLs or a third, nearly-as-tall ERPPC for burst fire (I lean towards the latter). A much underrated sniper IMO.
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NihilCredo posted:If you like that try the TDR-9S. No jump jets, but even taller hardpoints, crazy better quirks (25% cooldown 20% heat), superior IS ERPPCs, and enough spare tonnage to run either some backup MLs or a third, nearly-as-tall ERPPC for burst fire (I lean towards the latter). A much underrated sniper IMO. see this is the problem i keep running into with the summoner. everyone has a better build. i mean, when it really comes down to it i just remind the court that the BJ-3 has quirks that curbstomp the summoners' and can run 3 ppcs with a full deadside.
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NihilCredo posted:If you like that try the TDR-9S. No jump jets, but even taller hardpoints, crazy better quirks (25% cooldown 20% heat), superior IS ERPPCs, and enough spare tonnage to run either some backup MLs or a third, nearly-as-tall ERPPC for burst fire (I lean towards the latter). A much underrated sniper IMO. that's among my favorite mechs but the lack of JJs does hold it back. you end up exposing yourself to a lot more fire instead of being able to take quick snap-shots like the summoner Rysithusiku posted:see this is the problem i keep running into with the summoner. everyone has a better build. i mean, when it really comes down to it i just remind the court that the BJ-3 has quirks that curbstomp the summoners' and can run 3 ppcs with a full deadside. this is true but the summoner has the advantage of a whole lot more armor and range
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Nov 14, 2016 17:52
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Rysithusiku posted:see this is the problem i keep running into with the summoner. everyone has a better build. i mean, when it really comes down to it i just remind the court that the BJ-3 has quirks that curbstomp the summoners' and can run 3 ppcs with a full deadside. The true PPC mech is the dual PPC Urbie.
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Nov 14, 2016 18:12
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Polyakov posted:The true PPC mech is the dual PPC Urbie. This man knows the truth.
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Sparq posted:This man knows the truth. You mean the R60? It's an alright PPC carrier, no doubt, but sniping without velocity quirks sucks balls. More importantly, it's way, waaaaaaaaaay better with two ERLLs. You have a duration quirk, a standard engine, doubled structure quirks all over, and you twist and shield like a pro. I've done 800 damage with the drat thing, it. Just. Won't. Die.  If you want to PPC snipe you should get a Panther - yeah, yeah, I know, it's a boring & lovely mech with no versatility and crappy hardpoint locations (the opposite of the Urbie), but it's the only light with a PPC velocity quirk so gotta suck it up.
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NihilCredo posted:You mean the R60? It's an alright PPC carrier, no doubt, but sniping without velocity quirks sucks balls.  You look far less good doing it.
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NihilCredo posted:You mean the R60? It's an alright PPC carrier, no doubt, but sniping without velocity quirks sucks balls. the last ppc panther i saw wasnt paying attention when i walked up behind it in my orion. simul-firing 4 LPLs in its back ct made it go up like 4th of july. best mech!
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Nov 14, 2016 22:13
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i am no longer on pager duty and therefore can drink beer and can therefore drive robots
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Nov 14, 2016 22:44
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The usual SMN double ER PPC build has a big Targeting Computer in it as well to give it a 50% velocity boost; the velocity quirks, jumpjets, and armor are the reasons the SMN does see play among some of the best players in the game. That said, if you're not able to hit virtually every shot and hit it exactly where you want it, you're much better off with a different build, or better yet, a different mech. Honestly if you take the stock ADR-Prime or NVA-A and remove dumb things like "backup weapons" and replace them with heatsinks, that'll probably serve you better. In the ADR especially you have everything the SMN has except jumpjets, but for exactly half the tonnage.
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something i did not expect: mechwarriors on the whole are rather cross about donald trump and his recent success in the usa elections
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aniviron posted:The usual SMN double ER PPC build has a big Targeting Computer in it as well to give it a 50% velocity boost; the velocity quirks, jumpjets, and armor are the reasons the SMN does see play among some of the best players in the game. That said, if you're not able to hit virtually every shot and hit it exactly where you want it, you're much better off with a different build, or better yet, a different mech. Honestly if you take the stock ADR-Prime or NVA-A and remove dumb things like "backup weapons" and replace them with heatsinks, that'll probably serve you better. In the ADR especially you have everything the SMN has except jumpjets, but for exactly half the tonnage. Theres one viper with 50% er-ppc velocity as a set bonus that can be run with a tc4. Yes, its only 1 ppc but its pretty much click to damage.
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Polyakov posted:
This is great. :coolsmiley:
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I see a lot of hackusations thrown around in this thread and on mumble; if you want to know what it actually looks like, here's a player from EmP who got caught cheating and is now banned for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70zZo43Ixkk&t=1m33s
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aniviron posted:I see a lot of hackusations thrown around in this thread and on mumble; if you want to know what it actually looks like, here's a player from EmP who got caught cheating and is now banned for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70zZo43Ixkk&t=1m33s It's almost as if we universally called EmP Team Helios every time we saw them for a reason. Only like two people throw about hacking accusations every single time, and they rightfully get told to shut up gently caress up, but there are a couple teams that without a shadow of a doubt everyone can tell is up to some fuckery.
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aniviron posted:I see a lot of hackusations thrown around in this thread and on mumble; if you want to know what it actually looks like, here's a player from EmP who got caught cheating and is now banned for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70zZo43Ixkk&t=1m33s lol that's hilarious
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I hope the next (first) light mech pack is the Urbie II-C. That would be the Best Mech.
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Nov 15, 2016 09:30
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I need a new mech. IS most likely. Preferrably not assault or light. Opinions on Wolverines?
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Nov 15, 2016 10:31
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Yolomon Wayne posted:I need a new mech. Warhammer Thunderbolt Cataphract Black Knight Shadow Hawk Griffin Centurion Crab All these chassis have excellent build choices available.
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Nov 15, 2016 10:38
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Also the Marauder is pretty decent too. Just remember to go full zombie.
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Nov 15, 2016 10:43
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I purposely left the Marauder off that list. It's a fragile POS now.
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Nov 15, 2016 10:44
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Skoll posted:I purposely left the Marauder off that list. It's a fragile POS now. The resizening strikes again  (or did it lose all its quirks?)
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Nov 15, 2016 10:48
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The Griffin is way more fragile now too but you can still put 4x SRM6s on target with it.
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Skoll posted:Warhammer Of that list i do not currently own Thunderbolts and Black Knights. Both are pretty much laser spam, right? If you had to pick one, considering those i already have, would you go Knight or Bolt?
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Knights are better, Thuds are more versatile. Since its you, Yoloman, I'd just get a Dragon so you have a mech to whine about when you lose all the time.
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Omg you just critted my feelings.
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