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I still can't get over all the scenes of a blind man looking at computer monitors
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RealFoxy posted:I still can't get over all the scenes of a blind man looking at computer monitors I'm pretty sure that skit was just a joke played straight, since he also looks through binoculars and is carrying a clipboard to write stuff down on.
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Sep 22, 2020 02:18
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Sydin posted:I liked how the entire Hueco Muendo thing was a giant ruse set up for no other reason than to be a gauntlet for Ichigo to power up on, and to trap Kenpatchi. Because I guess Aizen was aware of Kenpatchi's deal and was wary of fighting him? Which makes no sense for a number of reasons, the foremost being perfect illusions which could have had Kenpatchi fighting a brick wall - or hell, the other captains - while Aizen laughed from the sidelines. I mean if Kenpachi powers up to "undetectable spirit power" level he'd probably nullify Aizen's shikai through the virtue of "If you have a high enough spirit level than you can just straight up ignore poo poo" rule of Bleach.
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Sep 22, 2020 04:42
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Although the illusions still worked on Ywach, who was definitely at the highest spirit level of anyone. Of course, that was after Aizen's zanpakuto was destroyed, so who knows how he was even making illusions. Or when he had the time to show Ywach his release.
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Sep 22, 2020 04:54
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aizen just kind of does things and it mostly works because he's complete bullshit. then he smugs it up about how what are very clearly unplanned events were his plan all along. and he's not even lying, because kubo always implemented an instant retcon during aizen's self-congratulatory monologues so now it really was his plan, even when this makes no sense.
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Sep 22, 2020 06:07
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my favorite fact about bleach is aizen almost made it into the top 10 in the first popularity poll which was released like shortly after he was murdered.
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Sep 22, 2020 06:23
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Schubalts posted:Absolute Hypnosis only worked on people who watched and listened to the entire release ritual. It had a long enough incantation to make the other Captains think Aizen was showing them his full bankai. In retrospect it was kinda hilarious. "Hey everyone, check out my dance moves!" *does tai chi slower than a grandma high on muscle relaxers* *everyone in seireitei watches in amazement the most exiting thing to happen in centuries*
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Sep 22, 2020 06:59
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Aizen owns. Looked better before he went evil mode, though.
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Sep 22, 2020 07:26
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Aizen could get violent food poisoning at a Sbarro in the Soul Society food court and come up with a reason he planned it that way for decades and someone would believe it.
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Sep 22, 2020 07:56
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TheHan posted:Of course, that was after Aizen's zanpakuto was destroyed, so who knows how he was even making illusions. Or when he had the time to show Ywach his release. Wasn't there something along the lines of the Quincies having been watching all along for 1000 years from the literal shadows of Soul Society? Maybe they were just peeping at the wrong time.
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Sep 22, 2020 08:03
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lezard_valeth posted:Wasn't there something along the lines of the Quincies having been watching all along for 1000 years from the literal shadows of Soul Society? Maybe they were just peeping at the wrong time. Yeah, that just makes it even more ridiculous. Because then all the Quincies have been watching TV together from the shadows.
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Sep 22, 2020 09:49
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So did Aizen become immortal when he fused with the gem or what? I feel like they declared he was immortal at his trial and that was the first mention of it. I also like that he is eventually due for release.
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Sep 22, 2020 09:59
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Gologle posted:Ostensibly, Ichigo's advantage is that he had never seen Aizen release his shikai, so he wasn't affected by Aizen's absolute sensory manipulation. My problem with that is that...what was stopping Aizen from just deactivating his shikai and then reactivating it again with Ichigo in the vicinity???
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Sep 22, 2020 10:07
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ichigo's most reliable character trait was standing still watching shocked and wide eyed
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Sep 22, 2020 10:10
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:ichigo's most reliable character trait was standing still watching shocked and wide eyed Also one of his most relatable character traits.
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Sep 22, 2020 10:52
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Shadow0 posted:So did Aizen become immortal when he fused with the gem or what? I feel like they declared he was immortal at his trial and that was the first mention of it. I also like that he is eventually due for release. That's the implication yeah. He couldn't be killed so SS just threw him in a pit.
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Sep 22, 2020 17:26
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Sydin posted:That's the implication yeah. He couldn't be killed so SS just threw him in a pit. but they also gave him only a setence of ten thousand years.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:05
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Aizen's atrocities pale in comparison to Yamamoto, few more genocides and they might've made him Captain Commander.
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Sep 22, 2020 20:12
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TheHan posted:Aizen's atrocities pale in comparison to Yamamoto, few more genocides and they might've made him Captain Commander. the real problem was aizen wanted to kill the soul king, or at least upset the balance of everything if he didn't care about the soul king he'd have been the next captain commander, easily
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Sep 22, 2020 20:26
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Aizen taking off his glasses and slicking back his hair to signify he was now evil was peak early 2000s
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Sep 22, 2020 21:14
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TheHan posted:Aizen's atrocities pale in comparison to Yamamoto, few more genocides and they might've made him Captain Commander. Well yeah that's because Soul Society is the fash. They're lead by an non-elected aristocratic senate backed by the muscle of the 13 Squads, who as Yhwach rightly pointed out are just a bunch of upjumped murderers and thugs. Hell the only reason Zaraki is a captain is because he killed the last captain and put on his robe, and everybody just nodded. These guys live in a functional lap of luxury while the rest of the afterlife lives in varying degrees of poverty. Early Bleach leaned pretty hard into this, and Ichigo's true allies were all outsiders to the system or people hurt by it. Urahara and Yorichi's group in exile, Kukaku and Ganju the disgraced former nobles and heroes of the common people, the Vizards who all got sentenced to death for being hollowfied and and had to flee for their lives. Rukia and Renji are originally outsiders from the system and part of both of their arcs is realizing how hosed it actually is. But then like, all of that vanishes part way through HM and suddenly all the shinigami are good guys who show up to save and support Ichigo. Soul Society isn't exactly whitewashed - their atrocities come up a bunch during the final arc and at one point Mayuri just liquidates thousands of people for SCIENCE and Yamamoto's only annoyed about it because he didn't submit the proper paperwork - but all the dangling plot threads of Ichigo's allies who seem to be building up to challenge the status quo just vanish.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:49
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There's apparently not really much that they could've done to overthrow Yamamoto considering he could probably render most of the younger captains unable to move by looking at them or just nuke the place if it came down to it. Once he's dead stuff seems more likely to change for the better, aside from the noble families, though among the four major ones, the Kuchiki and Shihouin are apparently pretty alright, and the Tsunayashiro (CFYOW spoilers) are all double dead. I don't know about the fourth one. CFYOW has been pretty up front about acknowledging soul society's fuckups, particularly given most of the leadership of the 13 squads is now younger generation or people with good reason to have a beef with old soul society.
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Sep 22, 2020 22:13
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Yeah but Yamamoto was cool, he had a sword that sometimes caught on fire.
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Sep 22, 2020 22:23
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Sydin posted:Well yeah that's because Soul Society is the fash. They're lead by an non-elected aristocratic senate backed by the muscle of the 13 Squads, who as Yhwach rightly pointed out are just a bunch of upjumped murderers and thugs. Hell the only reason Zaraki is a captain is because he killed the last captain and put on his robe, and everybody just nodded. These guys live in a functional lap of luxury while the rest of the afterlife lives in varying degrees of poverty. I think I remember the captains going to Hueco Mundo were explicitly defying Yamamoto's orders, so if he really wanted to Kubo could've had that been the inciting incident that caused a Soul Society schism. Unfortunately that would include Captain Warcrimes Mayuri on the list of defectors. Gologle posted:Yeah but Yamamoto was cool, he had a sword that sometimes caught on fire. The biggest gently caress you in the world was Yamamoto having a sword that either erased people from existence or trapped them in sword hell for him to call on later, blatantly stealing souls out from the wheel of reincarnation. A crime for which he genocided the Quincies and continues to genocide the hollows for.
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Sep 22, 2020 22:38
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The Four Great Nobles thing never got fully explained. It seems only the Kuchiki and Shihouin clans, as well as the fallen Shiba clan, get mentioned. The other two go off to join the blue wizards I guess. There's also some allusion to Ichigo's father being from one of the clans? I think?... And they never do explain why the Shiba clan fell from grace. I think someone said in this thread that the 5 house leaders were the ones to originally carve up the Soul King, right?
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Sep 23, 2020 06:42
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Shadow0 posted:The Four Great Nobles thing never got fully explained. It seems only the Kuchiki and Shihouin clans, as well as the fallen Shiba clan, get mentioned. The other two go off to join the blue wizards I guess. There's also some allusion to Ichigo's father being from one of the clans? I think?... And they never do explain why the Shiba clan fell from grace. I think someone said in this thread that the 5 house leaders were the ones to originally carve up the Soul King, right? Ichigo's dad is a Shiba
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Sep 23, 2020 07:05
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The five noble clans basically founded soul society, hence why they have a ridiculously outsized amount of pull. The Tsunayashiros are the most powerful among them. The Shibas fell from grace in part because of Isshin's disappearance, if I remember right. The last one is not mentioned anywhere as far as I know. This is not actually explained in the manga, but in CFYOW.
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Sep 23, 2020 07:15
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Bleach doesn't exactly have strong worldbuilding.
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Sep 23, 2020 07:50
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Amazing that the most powerful Noble House has no presence in the Bleach until a novel released after it ended, beyond being the dude who served as the catalyst for Tousen going over to Aizen's side.
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Sep 23, 2020 10:08
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RealFoxy posted:I still can't get over all the scenes of a blind man looking at computer monitors I tried looking this up and instead found a video where Aizen pulls out his katana for a couple seconds, doesn't say or do anything, but apparently that was enough to put Barragan under its spell. It seems like he can just do it whenever.
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Sep 23, 2020 12:30
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chumbler posted:The Shibas fell from grace in part because of Isshin's disappearance, if I remember right. I mean it tracks, Isshin was presumably the family patriarch and as far as SS was concerned he just wandered off with no explanation and was never heard from again. IIRC he never interacts with any shinigami outside of Rukia (who's oblivious to who he is) and Urahara's group, so even by the end of the series I guess SS still doesn't know whatever happened to him or that Ichigo is technically the heir of the Shiba clan. It is kinda funny in retrospect that Matsumoto and Hitsugaya spend an afternoon chilling in Ichigo's room none the wise that their former captain is downstairs sitting on the couch watching TV.
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Sep 23, 2020 18:04
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Sydin posted:It is kinda funny in retrospect that Matsumoto and Hitsugaya spend an afternoon chilling in Ichigo's room none the wise that their former captain is downstairs sitting on the couch watching TV. I mean it tracks with my pet theory that most of the Soul Society aren't as much consciously malicious or fash or whatever as they are merely dumb as rocks.
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Sep 23, 2020 18:07
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I never considered that part in that light but you're totally right and it makes me irrationally angry.
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Sep 23, 2020 19:12
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Alternatively, imagine a deleted scene where one of them wanders down to raid the fridge and bumps into Isshin. They stare at each other, blink, and then someone says "I won't say anything if you won't."
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Sep 23, 2020 19:18
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there was an interview where kubo said he wanted to do a scene with isshin and them in the arrancar arc but the editors nixed it.
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Sep 23, 2020 19:23
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Also just remembered that there were a couple anime filler episodes where Hitsugaya was loving around in the human world for some reason and joined Karin's soccer team, and there's a bunch of weird romantic tension between the two that makes zero sense and is kinda loving creepy because Karin is 11 and Hitsugaya is like 111. Would have been a hell of an awkward time to bump into Isshin again lol
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Sep 23, 2020 19:25
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Come to think of it, Matsumoto probably did bump into Isshin at some point and just didn't give a gently caress.
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Sep 23, 2020 19:25
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The shinigami loving around in the living world was great and there should have been more of it. Shinigami's Cup Golden understood Bleach better than anything else.
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Sep 23, 2020 19:32
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Sydin posted:I mean it tracks, Isshin was presumably the family patriarch and as far as SS was concerned he just wandered off with no explanation and was never heard from again. IIRC he never interacts with any shinigami outside of Rukia (who's oblivious to who he is) and Urahara's group, so even by the end of the series I guess SS still doesn't know whatever happened to him or that Ichigo is technically the heir of the Shiba clan. Isshin was from a branch family, Kaien (the dude who trained Rukia and then got taken over by a random Hollow before she killed him) was the head of the main family and him dying was why they fell out of favour. Presumably with Isshin and Kaien gone they had no shinigami in the clan, or at least no-one worth caring about, so Soul Society stopped giving a poo poo about them.
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Sep 24, 2020 12:04
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Bleach doesn't exactly have strong worldbuilding. I disagree. Kubo built a strong world by accident and didn't take advantage of it. He's not a good writer, but a brilliant clothing designer.
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