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J_RBG care to post some examples of where she breaks the iambic pentameter?
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Krankenstyle posted:personally, i would translate polytropon as "twiztid" woop woop
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Aug 10, 2019 08:30
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ulvir posted:woop woop *throws a hatchet through a bunch of bows*
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Aug 10, 2019 09:58
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Safety Biscuits posted:Wilson's essays about how she translated it the way she did are interesting, but "Tell me about a complicated man" sounds like a teenager wrote it.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:31
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I like it tbh
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Aug 10, 2019 14:43
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Tell me about a complicated man Every time you do it makes me laugh
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Aug 10, 2019 15:52
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Why'd you have to go and make Odysseus complicated See the way your translating these words is getting me frustrated
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Aug 10, 2019 16:24
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can't wait for the Illiad translation that uses the epithet 'Hector who had a nice hat'
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Aug 10, 2019 18:40
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dat fine-assed Achilles henny
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Aug 10, 2019 18:41
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Why would anyone read Homer anyway, there's a lot more contemporary American authors writing their stories these days
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Aug 10, 2019 20:47
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Burning Rain posted:Why would anyone read Homer anyway, there's a lot more contemporary American authors writing their stories these days Many of them complicated men, incidentally
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Burning Rain posted:Why would anyone read Homer anyway, there's a lot more contemporary American authors writing their stories these days with such brilliant prose like “im the little squirrel that loves to gently caress”
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Aug 10, 2019 21:23
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Why read Homer when you can read Franzen
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Why indeed
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mike12345 posted:I just finished Martha Nussbaum's "Monarchy of Fear", a look at fear in politics from an anthropological, historical, and psychological perspective. You'll find her dissecting greek drama as well as the racism, sexism and misogyny of the Trump era. And it ends with a chapter on why not to lose hope. I think it's a pretty good read for everyone disillusioned with current day politics, a spin on Marianne Williamson's message, but without the hocus pocus and from a more scholarly position. Nussbaum's writing is very accessible without being dumb, to me it should be the gold standard of "pop philosophy" writing for the masses. nussbaum is one of the few contemporary liberal political philosophers worth taking seriously, so i might check this out. i really liked what i read of her book on the capability approach to ethics.
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Aug 12, 2019 09:43
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upheavals of though and love's knowledge are also worth reading
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i am profoundly skeptical of nussbaum's arguments on universal ethics it just seems awfully pre-wittgensteinian
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I can feel the anxiety in this lion one. E: oh whoops. Thought I was still in the PYF funny forum quotes thread. Hi everyone!
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Lightning Rods was good, but not nearly as good as Last Samurai. Seemed to be a fair amount of filler in there and I was hoping it would go further into ridiculousness than it did. Also some surprisingly anachronistic stuff in there for a book published in 2011. Characters 'going through mail' and 'opening letters' and talking about how great physical encyclopedias are, and a few 'wow computers' sections. laugh out loud funny in many places though.
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Aug 13, 2019 00:54
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what a great cover, much better than the one i got: 
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Aug 13, 2019 15:46
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I recently read Constellations which is a collection of essays by Sinead Gleeson that I really enjoyed. It's mainly essays about her body and our bodies in general and how they exist in culture and society. I really liked it. The author has been sick a lot so she has really interesting perspectives and insights on being treated for major illnesses and accepting your lot in life as well as how longterm patients are treated by doctors. There're also essays about various artists who inspired her when she wrote or was sick that made me pretty excited to check out their work more like Frida Kahlo for example. Would recommend. You can read one of the essays on the guardian website I just started reading Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee also. It's really good but a depressing read which is to be expected. I've been meaning to read it for a long time and picked it up after reading about Choctaw donations during the famine and finally getting around to it this week.
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Cool, thanks for the recommendation! I've been thinking about buying Constellations for a while
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There's another Sinéad Gleeson essay on Granta, about Lourdes. https://granta.com/blue-hills-chalk-bone/ I think it's in the book but I'm not sure. Edit: The Lourdes essay put me off her/Constellations a little. It seemed so on-the-nose, and either elucidating for people who've never experienced (directly or indirectly) similar events or as representation for people who have (and are looking for solace in another account.) The Guardian essay seems better written to me, a better flow to it. Mrenda fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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Aug 14, 2019 00:11
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The Lourdes essay is the first in the book yeah! I liked it a lot, her faith leaving her but not despairing was really interesting to me.
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EmmyOk posted:The Lourdes essay is the first in the book yeah! I liked it a lot, her faith leaving her but not despairing was really interesting to me. I think what's stopped me most from getting the collection is the focus on "body betrayal" and finding any new purpose, even a victory from the lessons of it, where it takes you, etc. I've definitely had body-betrayal, but my first order betrayal is in the mind. I can see how finding purpose from/through/despite that type of experience can be seen as empowering, but with minds you either fall down the mad-yet-inspired artist route which is deeply problematic (or god forbid get held up as outsider art when you think it's "just art"), you're simply plain stuck with the results of madness, or you're "inspiring," either in day-to-day life or in achieving something "greater." Maybe it's even the simple fact that someone can take account of their life through such experience and recompose it into a unified meaning — which I would guess would be me doing a disservice to the weight of her struggles — is an ambition distant to me. It's American based but Esme Weijun Wang wrote The Collected Schizophrenias, which I was far less hesitant about because it's set in the troubles of the mind (although US based rather than Irish.) Like the Lourdes essay a lot of it wasn't so much revealing as conciliatory to me, but for many it seems to have helped them see into a differing world. Gleeson is definitely part of a world opening up for a lot of people with these style of accounts (at least in the UK and Ireland) and Arnold Thomas Fanning's book Mind on Fire is something I'm wondering if it'll go down a similar route for the non-body stuff (much like Esme Weijun Wang.) I haven't read it yet but it's on my list.
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Mrenda posted:I think what's stopped me most from getting the collection is the focus on "body betrayal" and finding any new purpose, even a victory from the lessons of it, where it takes you, etc. I've definitely had body-betrayal, but my first order betrayal is in the mind. I can see how finding purpose from/through/despite that type of experience can be seen as empowering, but with minds you either fall down the mad-yet-inspired artist route which is deeply problematic (or god forbid get held up as outsider art when you think it's "just art"), you're simply plain stuck with the results of madness, or you're "inspiring," either in day-to-day life or in achieving something "greater." Maybe it's even the simple fact that someone can take account of their life through such experience and recompose it into a unified meaning — which I would guess would be me doing a disservice to the weight of her struggles — is an ambition distant to me. I think I get what you mean about the real life account being written to be more of a story which I hadn't really thought about at the time but is obvious in retrospect, but I am quite stupid you see. I connected with it a lot growing up in Catholic Ireland as an ill child though quite a few years later than Gleeson and not nearly so sick. I remember sitting in mass and hearing about people going to Lourdes or Knock to pray for healing and wondering why the weren't more frightened. What if it didn't work? I hadn't really thought about the fact this wasn't a super universal experience so I guess the essay didn't feel symbolic or written to portray a specific meaning. More like someone living through what I always thought about as a child. I don't think the essays are very unified though, they have a loose connection of body parts (though maybe a third are just independent of bodies generally) but I don't think they have a unifying meaning or purpose they're working together to express. I think they serve more as rough framing or starting points for a pretty large variety of topics. I'm not doing a very good job at explaining this I think!
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EmmyOk posted:I think I get what you mean about the real life account being written to be more of a story which I hadn't really thought about at the time but is obvious in retrospect, but I am quite stupid you see. I connected with it a lot growing up in Catholic Ireland as an ill child though quite a few years later than Gleeson and not nearly so sick. I remember sitting in mass and hearing about people going to Lourdes or Knock to pray for healing and wondering why the weren't more frightened. What if it didn't work? I hadn't really thought about the fact this wasn't a super universal experience so I guess the essay didn't feel symbolic or written to portray a specific meaning. More like someone living through what I always thought about as a child. I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but I think it reflects a little on my saying it's "representation for people who have [experienced Lourdes through illness]." I've been in Lourdes when I was very young, and thought it was a load of mumbo jumbo, especially taps everywhere supplying Holy Water like it was a giant kitchen: it didn't seem holy, or precious, rather an industry. A friend's position on Lourdes was that it was just generally awful. Lots of fussing, lots of false hope, and his considered position was that if you have a sick child who's in a bad way (like he was) then take them to Disneyland where they might actually have some straight-up fun in a place designed for fun. So for you, you saw your experience written about. And from someone outside of Ireland they might get an insight into what was going on with these pilgrimages. I just felt it was a little surface level, with nothing revelatory about the situation. Maybe it doesn't need to be though. Seeing it written is what some people want, and a document of those events probably is important. It just didn't add anything for me. That being said it was from 2016, so it very well may have been an early essay she wrote. The Guardian link I felt was a lot more point and impactful, with far better prose, even if more idiosyncratic in the details and less about an almost universal (by degrees) Irish experience.
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i'm reading Eros and Magic in the Renaissance and anyone who's into anything occult should definitely check out any book by Ioan P. Couliano who was some cool Romanian scholar that i guess is one of the few academics that writes about gnosticism and the occult that anyone takes seriously. also, he was murder in 1991 and no one was ever charged. 
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Aug 16, 2019 00:12
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Found a copy of the male edition of Dictionary of the Khazars today and I am excited
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Aug 16, 2019 00:48
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Heath posted:Found a copy of the male edition of Dictionary of the Khazars today and I am excited Bullshit, damnit
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Aug 16, 2019 02:49
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mdemone posted:Bullshit, damnit 
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Aug 16, 2019 03:28
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Pics of 293-294 plz
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Aug 16, 2019 14:45
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Anyone know where I can track down a non-spoiler character sheet for In The Name Of The Rose? I'm terrible with character names and it's hard for me to follow exactly who's who.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:09
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Does the Odyssey even count as literature? It has magic in it.
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Aug 21, 2019 13:21
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Ibexaz posted:Anyone know where I can track down a non-spoiler character sheet for In The Name Of The Rose? I'm terrible with character names and it's hard for me to follow exactly who's who. quote:Primary characters
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Moonlit Knight posted:Does the Odyssey even count as literature? It has magic in it. if you're honestly asking if probably the most seminal epic poem from ancient greece counts as literature, then yes, yes it does.
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Aug 21, 2019 14:15
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Moonlit Knight posted:Does the Odyssey even count as literature? It has magic in it. Super Mario's or Abe's? The answer is yes to both. Serious answer: Literature can have magic in it, my friend. There's an entire literary movement from Latin America called Magical Realism.
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Aug 21, 2019 14:32
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It's Abe's Oddysee not Odyssey 🙄
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Aug 21, 2019 16:24
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Moonlit Knight posted:Does the Odyssey even count as literature? It has magic in it. no
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