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Nebakenezzer posted:
-Smoking -Meals -Men in suits masturbating
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2 seats in a space that would now have 3.
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SocketSeven posted:2 seats in a space that would now have 3. Yeah, but: $453.60 to London. That's $4,000 in today-dollars. Anytime people complain about how airlines want to cram more and more people in by shaving away legroom or charging for potato chips should keep that in mind. I can call up a real airline and get a ticket leaving JFK tomorrow for less than half of that. That's insane. If two seats in a row is what you want, then spend twice as much and get a first-class ticket instead. I think it's great that people who can't afford first-class tickets can also travel by air now.
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Phanatic posted:Anytime people complain about how airlines want to cram more and more people in by shaving away legroom or charging for potato chips should keep that in mind. I can call up a real airline and get a ticket leaving JFK tomorrow for less than half of that. That's insane. If two seats in a row is what you want, then spend twice as much and get a first-class ticket instead. I think it's great that people who can't afford first-class tickets can also travel by air now. The shrinking has started to cross a line on some airlines though, seats that are 17 inches wide, 3-4-3 layouts on a 777, it's awful. Airlines that charge a little extra for a seat that is a little better are fine, but many don't have that option.
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FrozenVent posted:-Smoking -People smiling
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ehnus posted:-People smiling The stewardess looks like she's doing everything in her power not to conk the guy out with that coffee pot, looks pretty realistic to me.
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sanchez posted:The shrinking has started to cross a line on some airlines though, seats that are 17 inches wide, 3-4-3 layouts on a 777, it's awful. Basically, first class has turned in to a ridiculous suite based product, business class has turned in to the equivalent of a first class product (with the advent of all lie-flat business class) and economy has gotten shittier. There's a real space for something in between economy and business, which is more analogous to 1960s economy class or current domestic first. Most airlines are offering an intermediate product on international flights, but the quality and benefits vary greatly. We're right in the middle of an evolution. As everyone does fleet refreshes or C-checks and replaces interiors, anything that goes over a major ocean is getting configured as F/J/Y+/Y or J/Y+/Y.
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PhotoKirk posted:Ever heard of the Hiller Hornet? It had ramjets on the ends of the rotors.  That's the example at Fantasy of Flight in Orlampa. The thing is like the rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Adorable, until you look closer and realize that every single bit of it is trying to kill you. It uses ramjets at the rotor tips for propulsion. Ramjets don't work very well when subsonic, so it burns a whole shitload of fuel. Hiller didn't have a whole lot of wiggle room in terms of physical location for the fuel tank, (it pretty much needs to be right under the rotor,) so that's where they put it. See what the seats are bolted to? Ya. Fuel tank. The whole thing, from the right to the left is full of fuel. Also, when the ramjets flame out, (admittedly, ramjets are pretty dead-nuts simple, so an engine failure is unlikely, but fuel exhaustion is not, the 45 gallon fuel load is good for about 25 minutes,) they make so much drag that the collective has to be dropped to NEGATIVE rotor pitch to keep any energy in the rotor disc. Basically, the thing autorotates like a brick tied to a dandelion seed. Amusingly, when K. Weeks bought his example, it was flyable, (!) and he made a single flight from his airport/museum, before every neighbor in the area told him to knock it off. It might be the second loudest aircraft, after the XF-84H. The thing terrifies me, basically. The fifties were a weird time. Everyone wore suits, and drank a lot, but then they decided that poo poo like that was feasible. 
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Posting from 5A of a Twin Otter. The Saabs are down for maintenance. Bliss. 
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Jun 13, 2014 22:50
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MrYenko posted:
It only used ramjets because there weren't any nuclear reactors that small.
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joat mon posted:It only used ramjets because there weren't any nuclear reactors that small. I would bet that somewhere in a long-forgotten stack of blueprints is a design for an atomic helicopter. The Age of Atomic EVERYTHING was weird...
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I don't think we had any atomic helicopters, for the simple reason that you could just hover on magical atomic engine thrust. Massively irradiating the ground below you. Edit: I lied. We wrote entire books on the subject, and Bell made drawings.  http://books.google.com/books/about/An_Investigation_of_a_Nuclear_Powered_He.html?id=UH7pAAAAMAAJ  Dates from 1960; 300 feet long, 200 mph top speed, 500,000 pounds. SocketSeven fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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SocketSeven posted:2 seats in a space that would now have 3. 3 humans with a mass that would now contain 2.
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PhotoKirk posted:I would bet that somewhere in a long-forgotten stack of blueprints is a design for an atomic helicopter. The Age of Atomic EVERYTHING was loving AWESOME... ftfy
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Basically, first class has turned in to a ridiculous suite based product, business class has turned in to the equivalent of a first class product (with the advent of all lie-flat business class) and economy has gotten shittier. There's a real space for something in between economy and business, which is more analogous to 1960s economy class or current domestic first. Most airlines are offering an intermediate product on international flights, but the quality and benefits vary greatly. Here's a crazy question about domestic service... How long does your flight have to be before they include In Flight Entertainment? I realize that iPhones and iPads have changed the game, but you're lucky to have a power port in first class. I can remember listening to the music stations on short hops back in the 80s, watching some of the first personal TV screens in the late 90s, and then... From 2000-2014, flying a lot on major carriers, I only encountered any form of IFE on a Frontier flight to Denver in 2007. I'm guessing that Memphis is just cursed with short hops, but flying straight to LA, Boston, DC, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Detroit, Dallas, Pittsburgh... Every single flight was bare bones. WiFi is cool (if that's even available), but when you're on a CRJ and the person in front of you is reclined back all the way, it's kind of hard to use a laptop, particularly with no power source if you're on a 2 or 3 connection flight and are running low on battery power. I don't need to be entertained 24/7, but considering the extra time you can spend on the ground rather than the air, even short flights can add up to a lot of hours and passengers seem to be happier if they can be distracted by TV, even if they're just flipping through channels.
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SocketSeven posted:I don't think we had any atomic helicopters, for the simple reason that you could just hover on magical atomic engine thrust. Massively irradiating the ground below you. The noise that thing would have made 
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Jun 14, 2014 01:47
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Just ordered all the back issues of International Air Power Review that I didn't have in my collection 
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FrozenVent posted:-Smoking We need a return to wood panelling and cloth curtains. None of this plastic and pull-down blinds malarkey.
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benito posted:I realize that iPhones and iPads have changed the game, but you're lucky to have a power port in first class. Buy a 10,000 mAh portable battery pack, should be enough to keep your phone or tablet running for all but the longest of flights. Last two times I flew (7+ hours) I just carried my laptop onto the plane and used it's charging USB port to power my GSIII.
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Geoj posted:Buy a 10,000 mAh portable battery pack, should be enough to keep your phone or tablet running for all but the longest of flights. Last two times I flew (7+ hours) I just carried my laptop onto the plane and used it's charging USB port to power my GSIII. I'm not so much worried about me... I can just zone out and listen to podcasts for the duration with my eyes closed. It's when you have a plane full of passengers that are bored and irritated and didn't bring anything to read, watch, or listen to. instead of quietly watching something with headphones, they're loudly talking with their seatmates, arguing with flight attendants, announcing that they're going to take a crap in the bathroom because they don't have anything better to do because "hey, bucket list!" Modern air travel is unpleasant today for a lot of reasons, but there are times when you think that a Greyhound bus is a better alternative just because you get more leg room and don't have to get groped in the process of boarding, and you're not treated like a potential criminal for the duration of the trip.
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All of that stuff happens on flights with IFE. Except the bucket list thing, I'm not convinced that ever happens. Also just get pre check if you're American. It's a small price to pay for 5 years of convenience.
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Jun 14, 2014 02:51
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benito posted:announcing that they're going to take a crap in the bathroom because they don't have anything better to do because "hey, bucket list!" Hey, at least you can revel in the fact that your life is more interesting than these people's ever will be.
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benito posted:Modern air travel is unpleasant today for a lot of reasons, but there are times when you think that a Greyhound bus is a better alternative just because you get more leg room and don't have to get groped in the process of boarding, and you're not treated like a potential criminal for the duration of the trip. No way, Greyhound is awful. I hope to never have to do that again...6.5 hours to go from Pittsburgh to State College because I didn't have a car in college, gently caress that.
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sellouts posted:All of that stuff happens on flights with IFE. Except the bucket list thing, I'm not convinced that ever happens. Had it happen on my recent flight from MSP->MEM. And the guy bragged about the experience to his friend afterwards. I'm not trying to be elitist, but economy section, major airline travel seems to keep getting worse and worse over time, and it's not necessarily because of the passengers. Treat adults and paying customers like children and/or prisoners and you get a lot of weird behavior. Add to that things like the #$(*!@$ baggage fees and you just make boarding and deplaning far more complicated than they need to be... I'm most sympathetic to the airline employees (flight attendants, gate agents, baggage handlers, etc.) who bear the brunt of this misery while having to enforce these bizarre policies that sound like psychological experiments from the 50s that are now banned by ethics regulations.
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Man you really hate flying or something. I regularly had over 50k miles/year and never thought it was that bad.
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sellouts posted:Man you really hate flying or something. I regularly had over 50k miles/year and never thought it was that bad. Funny thing happens after you get 25k miles - you get to sit in exit rows next to other people who are bored with air travel or you get upgraded to first
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hobbesmaster posted:Funny thing happens after you get 25k miles - you get to sit in exit rows next to other people who are bored with air travel or you get upgraded to first This. The hordes sitting behind the wing are practically subhuman.
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Jealous Cow posted:This. The hordes sitting behind the wing are practically subhuman. According to the airlines, yes. 
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I don't like traveling much but I sure do love flying. Even crammed in the cattle cars of economy, I always enjoy it. I just wish the check in folks would take pity on me more often and give me exit rows or bulkheads (I'm very tall). But I usually just cram myself in, wedge my femur behind the seat in front to prevent any thoughts of reclining, and go into a zen trance of sorts.
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Pooping on a plane is part of a bucket list for somebody?
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hobbesmaster posted:Funny thing happens after you get 25k miles - you get to sit in exit rows next to other people who are bored with air travel or you get upgraded to first Neither are true when your flights are booked at the relative last minute for work.
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sellouts posted:Neither are true when your flights are booked at the relative last minute for work. Only good thing about flex/refundable fares is that you get to the top of the upgrade list. Or at least can grab the exit row seats that the people that were just upgraded vacated.
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Yeah, I guess. Still pretty hard to do on Transcons.
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CharlesM posted:Pooping on a plane is part of a bucket list for somebody? When was the last time you took a poo poo at Mach 0.8
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Jun 14, 2014 08:50
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An interesting bucket list would contain shtting in a bucket, not a plane.
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making GBS threads in an airplane toilet is nothing to write home about. CLOGGING an airplane toilet with your poo poo on the other hand... making GBS threads on the drinks cart: Also something to write home about. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Gerard_Finneran SocketSeven fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Ola posted:An interesting bucket list would contain shtting in a bucket, not a plane. Fly military and you get to do both at once.
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Snowdens Secret posted:When was the last time you took a poo poo at Mach 0.8 Last time I took a flight somewhere.
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Snowdens Secret posted:When was the last time you took a poo poo at Mach 0.8 Last time I ate Indian food.
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ctishman posted:Fly military and you get to do both at once. I believe Su-34 flight crews have everyone beat on this one. Well, astronauts I suppose but theres no speed of sound in orbit...
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