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CannonFodder posted:Where do you live? In BFC terms an electric car might not save you much money in gas costs if you commute 30 miles a day, unless you live in CA or CT where gas is more expensive. Also if you don't live in CA or the Northeast or certain cities elsewhere there are far fewer level 3 chargers available. I live in SoCal (up to 115 F in the summer, never below 20 F in winter), and I am really only thinking of this in the BFC terms. If it's not sensible financially, then I am not interested in buying a car. I can plug my car in at home, though I might need a 30 ft. extension cord. I want a single car solution: If I get an EV, I don't want to keep my existing car, or get a rental, just for longer trips.
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Don't plug a car into a 110v outlet with a 30 ft extension cord.
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Jun 30, 2019 16:33
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KillHour posted:Don't plug a car into a 110v outlet with a 30 ft extension cord. 60 ft got it.
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Jun 30, 2019 16:38
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KillHour posted:Don't plug a car into a 110v outlet with a 30 ft extension cord. What is it's a 30 ft extension cord for a 240 V outlet?
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Jun 30, 2019 16:46
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theHUNGERian posted:though I might need a 30 ft. extension cord. I want a single car solution: If I get an EV, I don't want to keep my existing car, or get a rental, just for longer trips. You'd need to spend the money for an L2 station + necessary wiring for a pure EV to make sense for you. And since the Niro/Kona models aren't in the deeply discounted used market yet, it's unlikely it would make good financial sense for you to take the dive. The models that are affordableish just won't have the necessary range for your large trips. A Volt might work, but you'll likely find cheaper Priuses //well poo poo I somehow missed the Bolt/Kona in your original post. The Bolt is serviceable but the interior kind of sucks. Heard better about the KonaNiros, but in terms of good financial sense, I'd wait until they make it to the used market before upgrading. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 16:58
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FilthyImp posted:Yeah that would be a bad idea. Just think of all the heat that cord's gonna have to withstand... But what if the gauge of the extension cord is the same as the gauge of the 240 V electrical wire that the extension cord is plugged into? At any rate, I do want to wait for used models to show up so I have actual reliability data.
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Jun 30, 2019 17:20
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theHUNGERian posted:But what if the gauge of the extension cord is the same as the gauge of the 240 V electrical wire that the extension cord is plugged into? You would need a larger gauge, as resistance depends on the length of the wire. It's also rather dangerous. You don't want a neighbor kid playing around with a cord carrying 240V and 50 amps.
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Jun 30, 2019 17:47
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What if I wrap the cord in duct tape, for insulation?
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Jun 30, 2019 17:56
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Rhyno posted:What if I wrap the cord in duct tape, for insulation? It needs water cooling like this:  Deteriorata posted:You would need a larger gauge, as resistance depends on the length of the wire. And the largest gauge available is still not good enough for 30 ft? The neighbors are very far away, they would never enter our property, so I don't worry about that at all. Rain would be a bigger concern. theHUNGERian fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 18:32
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theHUNGERian posted:I live in SoCal (up to 115 F in the summer, never below 20 F in winter), and I am really only thinking of this in the BFC terms. If it's not sensible financially, then I am not interested in buying a car. I can plug my car in at home, though I might need a 30 ft. extension cord. I want a single car solution: If I get an EV, I don't want to keep my existing car, or get a rental, just for longer trips. What part of SoCal gets up to 115f with any sort of frequency?
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Jun 30, 2019 21:16
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We have 440 extension cords running all over the drat place at work and usually the worst that happens is they blow up when you plug them in, I don't think 240 is that scary
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Jun 30, 2019 21:24
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:What part of SoCal gets up to 115f with any sort of frequency? 115f is the peak temperature I have experienced* on my trips (Joshua Tree National Park, and on the stretch between King City and SLO), not the normal high on an average day where I live (Santa Barbara). *and perhaps my memory is off a bit, but not by much. theHUNGERian fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 21:48
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shovelbum posted:We have 440 extension cords running all over the drat place at work and usually the worst that happens is they blow up when you plug them in, I don't think 240 is that scary It's not about voltage....it about current. But in this case it's seriously not a big deal to find the right outdoor rated (SOOW or SEOOW) cord for TEMPORARY use. If this is going to be a regular thing you should't be using temporary cord, which means trenching and proper outlets.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:02
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Deteriorata posted:You would need a larger gauge, as resistance depends on the length of the wire. Maybe. The gauge in the wall is basically never going to be the maximum safe length you could go with that gauge of wire. Residential codes and rules of thumb are prescriptive which means that the wire in the wall is almost always going to be substantially less than the length you can run that gauge safely. (but you do have to add the resistance of the plugs) I would still buy a larger gauge, but I wouldn't worry about it if you already have a cord of the right gauge. (I wouldn't do this whole extension cord thing anyway)
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Jun 30, 2019 22:15
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Motronic posted:... which means trenching and proper outlets. I'll bring it up with the landlord who has been very responsive with things, so this should be doable within the next two years.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:19
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theHUNGERian posted:I'll bring it up with the landlord Lol....just like in DIY, you should have to disclose if you're renting before people effortpost. This isn't going to happen. It has a 30% chance of happening if you pay for it and use your'e landlords contractors.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:36
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At least in Socialist California your landlord is supposed to let you install a charger, u less it's ridiculously disruptive to do so.
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FilthyImp posted:At least in Socialist California your landlord is supposed to let you install a charger, u less it's ridiculously disruptive to do so. And you have to use their contractors (realistically). And maintain a $1M liability policy.
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Jun 30, 2019 22:51
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Motronic posted:Lol....just like in DIY, you should have to disclose if you're renting before people effortpost. Sorry for not disclosing earlier. But I've been with this landlord for over 10 years now, I am one of 5 tenants, one of them is her carpenter/electrician. I'm friendly with all of them, never had a problem we couldn't settle by just talking about it. Can't hurt to just ask and see where it goes.
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Hey if I’m considering a car out of state from me, does this order of operations make sense or is it just dumb? 1 - drive five hours to look at one or two cars and get a PPI 2 - make a purchasing decision (probably a yes since I’d be happy with either of them and they both look to be in good shape and are also a good price) 3 - drive five hours back 4 - take a Lyft to the airport ($100) and a flight ($72) plus ride to the dealership 5 - collect car and drive home Or...should I just do 4, get a local PPI, then 2, then 5 and save myself the entire day of travel to look? I’d rather buy locally, but it’s a $1000+ price difference (not counting travel that is) and traveling there is cheaper than shipping it.
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Jul 1, 2019 00:38
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Basically any relevant answer depends on 1.) how much you are spending (relative cost to travel) 2.) Where these cars are and WHAT they are (i.e. can you seriously not find a Honda Accord near you vs. you probably can't find the right Porsche Cayman near you so it might be worth traveling)
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Ah yeah, so these two specific cars are like $14k and $17k, and the transportation cost for me is well under $200 while shipping the car to me seems to be $400 and up. I could get the same model of one (2017 VW GTI) locally but it has more mileage and doesn’t have the wheels I would prefer and also costs over $1k more. The other one is a VW Golf SportWagen with manual transmission and is the only one for like 250 miles, in my price range at least.
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i think the only reason to start flying to cars is if you know specifically what model you want and you can't find it locally step one for you, my friend, is to get down to your local Volkswagen dealer and climb all over a sportwagen or alltrak, and a manual transmission base golf. this will let you know if you want a sportwagen or not - you get a sense for the size and additional utility by driving the auto, and the car drives pretty much exactly like a base golf with a manual only slower. i don't think i would get on an airplane for a GTI especially not over OEM wheels drat
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:What part of SoCal gets up to 115f with any sort of frequency? The desert part. See Eastern San Bernardino Co, Eastern Riverside co, and all of imperial county. Almost no one lives there, but some do. Palm Springs has more 100F+ days than Phoenix.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:What part of SoCal gets up to 115f with any sort of frequency?
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So I think I'm going to close on a car tomorrow, one for which I did NOT fly out of state thanks to the reality check earlier. There are a couple of things that need to get fixed but the dealer is taking care of them (and they only have to do with the rear armrest, so, not a real problem). I have been quoted 3.84% APR for a loan to cover half of it, which seems good to me but not too surprising given my credit rating. On this thread's recommendation, I sent an application to LightStream and am waiting hear back from them, but if they give me a better rate then I'll go that way instead. One question I had, though, is to what extent the dealer protection plans are actually worth it. For instance, if I add a $100/mo plan to my car payments it supposedly covers the powertrain for 5 years/60k miles, maintenance and key replacement for 7 years/100k miles, repair/replacement to tires indefinitely, and "Ding Shield", i.e. cosmetic repairs to exterior and interior. The last one sounds like kind of a scam, to be honest. For $40/mo however I would get the powertrain coverage (parts & labor, towing, rental, etc.) and for $60/mo I get that and the tire/wheel coverage. My sense is that none of these is really worth it, and that I'd be better off putting the money into my savings account to withdraw and use if I actually need to fix something. This is the first car that I am buying because I actually like it (i.e. it's not just what was available and affordable on my grad student stipend) and I do want to take care of it--but there's probably a better way to prepare for it than being locked into paying an extra $2400 over the life of the loan.
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Dealer warranties? Nearly all trash. You'll be paying $40 a month to finance the 2 oil changes you get a year or whatever. Usually doesnt cover poo poo you actually need like wipers, tires, air filters, and the fine print for the big things can get you. Manufacturer warranties? Those might be worth it. We had a whole dash panel + electrics replaced under warranty + oil service + wipers at no cost and it was baller. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Dealer warranties, as far as I can tell. Trash, as in it's like pulling teeth to get them to actually cover what they say they will?
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hard pass on that poo poo, mon frere edit: you are assuming that your car will need over $2,400 in covered, post-deductible repairs. Usually there is a deductible with lovely dealer warranties, but let's pretend there isn't. Generally, wear items are excluded from these warranties. Good bye pads, rotors, and clutches (which by the way are the items that are likely to actually need replacing). You are looking at cars with under 30,000 miles, I think. It is very rare to have serious powertrain failure by 100k miles, so the powertrain warranty isn't too useful to me. Regarding maintenance, here's the service intervals - https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26312 - if you must, take that in and point to each line and confirm it's covered under the maintenance plan. dealers offer extended warranties because they're profitable, and since warranty spend is a very skewed distribution, that means that the median extended warranty contract is making a significant profit for the dealer - which is another way of saying that the customer is spending more on the warranty than they get in return KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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A good rule of thumb is that if you're buying things and the sales people are devoting a huge amount of time pitching one thing then it probably means that they make a lot of money off that one thing, and that money comes from somewhere. Same reason why Mcds always asks if you want fries and soda with your burger. It's a good rule to follow even if you know nothing about the item/industry.
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Yeah that's a good point. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. When my wife bought her new car in 2017 the finance guy just flat out told her "don't bother with the extended warranties", which we thought was was pretty classy.
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Jul 2, 2019 01:45
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Haha bet that guy had given his 2 weeks already
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Sits on Pilster posted:Haha bet that guy had given his 2 weeks already Yeah that guy was one foot out the door, whether he knew it or not. I once told the dealer''s finance person "there is nothing you can say to make me get the extended warranty." I wasn't even financing through them. He literally said "That's fine but I have to make you sit through the pitch or they'll fire me." Extended warranties are the new underbody rust protection of the sleazy car buying experience.
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When I bought my Chrysler the salesman urged me to get the warranty because "you know how Chyslers are". 
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SALESmanship!
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quote:Time for an oil change I got this like 3 months after I bought my car. Seemed a bit soon for anything to be needed especially an oil change on my electric vehicle. Nailed it.
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Throatwarbler posted:When I bought my Chrysler the salesman urged me to get the warranty because "you know how Chyslers are". I respect this guy
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Duck and Cover posted:I got this like 3 months after I bought my car. Seemed a bit soon for anything to be needed especially an oil change on my electric vehicle. Nailed it. Hilarious. What is wild to me is that the take rate on no-cost first maintenance on new cars sold is like 80%. How do you not take the free thing?
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Laziness / proximity to the dealership. I bought a used car from a dealer an hour away that offered free oil changes but I couldn't be bothered to spend half a day to save $40.
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Throatwarbler posted:When I bought my Chrysler the salesman urged me to get the warranty because "you know how Chyslers are". I love this part of the dealership experience. Whatever car they just spent hours or days trying to convince you to purchase instantly becomes described as a rolling boondoggle the second you start putting pen to paper.
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