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Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

MonsieurChoc posted:

It's got a lot of good but also a lot of modern tv clichés randomly inserted in. If you can stomach uneven stuff, it's good.

outside the book goon people that really hate the show, the show is good.

not quite as good as expanse good but just fine good

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Count Uvula
Dec 20, 2011

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Dreddout posted:

They made Kshama look cool as gently caress

Don't know how they managed to gently caress that up

Horsey is pretty much the horniest political cartoon in existence, and his inability to draw a normal looking woman like a villainous bag of potatos-- as other cartoonists do --undercuts his message surprisingly often.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan
My theory is that if you ever meet a poor kid who got accepted into an ivy league school they are either a god drat genius, or check like 4 minority boxes.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Dreddout posted:

They made Kshama look cool as gently caress

Don't know how they managed to gently caress that up

deep cover socialist

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Main Paineframe posted:

can't just let anyone into a school like Harvard. they have a reputation to uphold, after all

colleges deeply want to seem as exclusive and selective as possible, it's good for their reputation and creates a perception of quality. also, the whole point of these elite schools is to maintain the fake meritocracy and reinforce the illusion that rich people only rule the country because they're very smart and have great educations. having a separate set of standards for poor people would go against both those goals

It's so glorified, especially for high schoolers across most of the country who couldn't dream of going to an "elite" private school. In fact, for a lot of kids, there's usually a local elite school like Rice or Duke that they couldn't dream of getting into.

It took me going to a commuter school and then transferring to an elite school to realize that the classes are the same. It's not like the community college is teaching an inferior version of accounting or that the kids at Columbia are learning a super secret organic chemistry. But you go to one of those elite schools and your cohort is rich fuckers you can use later in life for money and opportunities.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Count Uvula posted:

Horsey is pretty much the horniest political cartoon in existence, and his inability to draw a normal looking woman like a villainous bag of potatos-- as other cartoonists do --undercuts his message surprisingly often.

wasnt Horsey a goon back in the LF days? or was that some other political cartoonnist

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
deep hurting is who you’re thinking of

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


I'm not sure that Horsey cartoon was meant to actually portray Sawant totally negatively, just depicting that business people in Seattle were onboard the tax until they realized it'd affect them, not just Amazon, and doing it in a funny way by invoking La Terreur

Horsey has been inching more and more towards the left in recent years anyway

Count Uvula posted:

Horsey is pretty much the horniest political cartoon in existence, and his inability to draw a normal looking woman like a villainous bag of potatos-- as other cartoonists do --undercuts his message surprisingly often.

This reminds me of one of his cartoons

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

whatever happened to deep hurting, he some strange opinions but his art was a lot better than most of those chucklefucks

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

It was pretty funny when it turned out that the woman who had been the dean of admissions at MIT for almost 30 years didn't have an undergraduate degree.

I can just imagine that the conversations that went on in the president's office when that came out were akin to Blazing Saddles: "We need to protect our phony baloney jobs gentlemen, we must do something about this immediately!"

Speaking of MIT admissions, I know someone who applied to do their masters degree there and was promptly rejected. It's amazing how quickly a decision like that is reversed when the applicant in question has a relative who is on the board of directors though...

The_Franz has issued a correction as of 16:46 on May 4, 2018

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

PostNouveau posted:

It's so glorified, especially for high schoolers across most of the country who couldn't dream of going to an "elite" private school. In fact, for a lot of kids, there's usually a local elite school like Rice or Duke that they couldn't dream of getting into.

It took me going to a commuter school and then transferring to an elite school to realize that the classes are the same. It's not like the community college is teaching an inferior version of accounting or that the kids at Columbia are learning a super secret organic chemistry. But you go to one of those elite schools and your cohort is rich fuckers you can use later in life for money and opportunities.

if every school is the same, then how is anyone supposed to maintain the illusion that American society is a meritocracy? our parents' generation has been outright obsessed with sending their kids to "good schools" because the elite classes (who needed more skilled workers to labor for them) managed to convince everyone that smarts and education were the key that unlocks the doors to class mobility. at this point, even if you somehow managed to come up with hard data proving that all colleges are essentially equal in quality of education, they would instinctually reject it because how are they supposed to use the privileges and opportunities available to them to get their kids an advantage over the other kids if they can't send them to a bettee school than their friends' kids?

it's all about class signaling, and especially about dangling the temptation of class mobility in front of the middle-class and upper-middle-class so they never realize that there's never going to be a millionaire in their family no matter how many extracurriculars they pack into their kid's life

it's even worse in college because the variety of majors and tendency to attend a school far away means that you're far less likely to run into someone who actually attended the same classes that your kid will attend. so it's far more difficult for an intuitive sense of class quality to develop through word of mouth and community charter. so instead people have to rely on various proxy measures to try to guess at which schools have better classes, and the schools know about that and pour a lot of money and effort into gaming the factors they think families are going to judge. explaining to a white mother that no, the shiny new million-dollar gymnasium does not mean the school offered a better education (and in fact may actually have something to do with why the school went bankrupt and closed down) is slow and laborious work

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Main Paineframe posted:

if every school is the same, then how is anyone supposed to maintain the illusion that American society is a meritocracy?

I'm not gonna say the classes at the commuter school and the elite school were exactly the same.

They were way better at the commuter school because all the instructors did was teach whereas the elite school professors had to bring in grant money through research, so they didn't give two shits about they classes they taught.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I work in academia and it seems like success = not teaching. We're at a loss to put together a class schedule that attracts students when a significant fraction of our faculty are given leave to do more important things like research and administering higher level projects.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
I took 20 machine learning classes and like a half dozen statistics classes in undergrad at a plutocrat school

101 classes did suck, sure

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004




Main Paineframe posted:

if every school is the same, then how is anyone supposed to maintain the illusion that American society is a meritocracy? our parents' generation has been outright obsessed with sending their kids to "good schools" because the elite classes (who needed more skilled workers to labor for them) managed to convince everyone that smarts and education were the key that unlocks the doors to class mobility. at this point, even if you somehow managed to come up with hard data proving that all colleges are essentially equal in quality of education, they would instinctually reject it because how are they supposed to use the privileges and opportunities available to them to get their kids an advantage over the other kids if they can't send them to a bettee school than their friends' kids?

it's all about class signaling, and especially about dangling the temptation of class mobility in front of the middle-class and upper-middle-class so they never realize that there's never going to be a millionaire in their family no matter how many extracurriculars they pack into their kid's life

it's even worse in college because the variety of majors and tendency to attend a school far away means that you're far less likely to run into someone who actually attended the same classes that your kid will attend. so it's far more difficult for an intuitive sense of class quality to develop through word of mouth and community charter. so instead people have to rely on various proxy measures to try to guess at which schools have better classes, and the schools know about that and pour a lot of money and effort into gaming the factors they think families are going to judge. explaining to a white mother that no, the shiny new million-dollar gymnasium does not mean the school offered a better education (and in fact may actually have something to do with why the school went bankrupt and closed down) is slow and laborious work

going to a 'good school' does improve outcomes however insofar that it unlocks 'social capital' AKA nepotism

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Rated PG-34 posted:

going to a 'good school' does improve outcomes however insofar that it unlocks 'social capital' AKA nepotism

That's the big thing. A degree from a "good school" means you have brand recognition on your resume, and you had the opportunity to meet big impressive names who can write you recommendations. The big name professors might be able to explain concepts a little bit more clearly or in more depth if they feel like it, but they never feel like it unless they're talking about the topic they do research on.

source: trying to get big name professors to give a gently caress about even grad level classes

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

bob dobbs is dead posted:

I took 20 machine learning classes and like a half dozen statistics classes in undergrad at a plutocrat school

101 classes did suck, sure

apply your skills correctly and make Facebook bots that post convincing arguments for socialism with fat bearded white men standing in front of confederate flags as their profile picture

if someone posts something negative, just lace together some vague threats based upon using a truck and running them over, or a hunting reference

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Ripoff posted:

apply your skills correctly and make Facebook bots that post convincing arguments for socialism with fat bearded white men standing in front of confederate flags as their profile picture

if someone posts something negative, just lace together some vague threats based upon using a truck and running them over, or a hunting reference

i reckon if you dont want to eat the rich you gotta be some kinda queer

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

part of the problem with the Left is the assumption that everyone is even capable of understanding complex ideas which require abstract reasoning

any truly popular Leftist movement is going to be built on getting the masses riled up with simple populism pressing the right emotional buttons

if you arent willing to manipulate people youll never make it anywhere

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Wheeee posted:

any truly popular Leftist movement is going to be built on getting the masses riled up with simple populism pressing the right emotional buttons

this does not seem correct to me given the rich history of popular, theoretically rigorous Marxist-Leninist & Maoist movements across the global south

Iridium
Apr 4, 2002

Wretched Harp
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/992447078595944448

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

GalacticAcid posted:

this does not seem correct to me given the rich history of popular, theoretically rigorous Marxist-Leninist & Maoist movements across the global south

hows that workin out for them

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Rated PG-34 posted:

going to a 'good school' does improve outcomes however insofar that it unlocks 'social capital' AKA nepotism

only for the really well-known top schools

there's approximately a zillion non-notable private universities with small enrollments that don't attract any particularly elite or connected students but play numbers games and marketing tricks to convince suburban parents they're better than the public university down the road that charges one-tenth the price

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Wheeee posted:

hows that workin out for them

more like Rheeee

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Law school is an enormous scam that somehow keeps trucking along. I don't know how tens of thousands of people sink a pile of money and 3 years of their life into grad school without having any kind of plan, but they do, and the schools are happy to take their money and the ABA is happy to keep accrediting more schools.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Halloween Jack posted:

Law school is an enormous scam that somehow keeps trucking along. I don't know how tens of thousands of people sink a pile of money and 3 years of their life into grad school without having any kind of plan, but they do, and the schools are happy to take their money and the ABA is happy to keep accrediting more schools.

its so crazy because lawyers have such a reputation for honesty and not taking advantage of people

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Wheeee posted:

whatever happened to deep hurting, he some strange opinions but his art was a lot better than most of those chucklefucks

He still occasionally posts to his own site, like maybe once a month at best.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Main Paineframe posted:

only for the really well-known top schools

there's approximately a zillion non-notable private universities with small enrollments that don't attract any particularly elite or connected students but play numbers games and marketing tricks to convince suburban parents they're better than the public university down the road that charges one-tenth the price

poo poo, I went to a high end engineering school (uiuc) and no one even in the midwest even knows it's highly ranked let alone top 5 for a long time. national news media means it's all mit berkeley and Stanford all the time, somehow

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Halloween Jack posted:

Law school is an enormous scam that somehow keeps trucking along. I don't know how tens of thousands of people sink a pile of money and 3 years of their life into grad school without having any kind of plan, but they do, and the schools are happy to take their money and the ABA is happy to keep accrediting more schools.

anyone who went to law school after 08 should be asked how they could possibly have good critical thinking skills considering the risk to reward of that career path

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

PostNouveau posted:

I'm not gonna say the classes at the commuter school and the elite school were exactly the same.

They were way better at the commuter school because all the instructors did was teach whereas the elite school professors had to bring in grant money through research, so they didn't give two shits about they classes they taught.

NYU, at least with the classes I took (mostly in Stern since I interally transferred from CAS to Stern after freshman year) was actually pretty good about this. Maybe this was because professors in the business school don't have quite the same publishing pressure or something, I dunno. I only remember one or two classes being taught by non-professors, and a lot of the teachers had actual industry experience. I took this one class that only had ~10 students, and the professor was this guy who was some expert in the field of electronic/algorithmic trading (he worked a lot as an expert witness for trials and stuff), and the class consisted of him just discussing the industry with us, with no actual classwork aside from the final exam. That class strongly convinced me that "high finance" is effectively leeching a poo poo-ton of money from the markets at almost zero risk to themselves, though I don't remember a lot of the specifics anymore (and things may have changed a lot since 2008 also).

Goon Danton posted:

That's the big thing. A degree from a "good school" means you have brand recognition on your resume, and you had the opportunity to meet big impressive names who can write you recommendations. The big name professors might be able to explain concepts a little bit more clearly or in more depth if they feel like it, but they never feel like it unless they're talking about the topic they do research on.

source: trying to get big name professors to give a gently caress about even grad level classes

I feel like this is only the case if you go to an absolute top-tier school, like Harvard or MIT or whatever. A school one or two "tiers" down like NYU or Boston University or something doesn't seem to offer much benefit over going to a random state school.

Main Paineframe posted:

only for the really well-known top schools

there's approximately a zillion non-notable private universities with small enrollments that don't attract any particularly elite or connected students but play numbers games and marketing tricks to convince suburban parents they're better than the public university down the road that charges one-tenth the price

Yeah, basically this, though even being recognizable doesn't seem to help much unless it's specifically recognizeable as "one of the ivies/pseudo-ivies."

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

GalacticAcid posted:

more like Rheeee

lol :drat:

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
dude i knew used to circular file yale engineering grad resumes

i asked him about it and then he showed me the yale engineering curriculum

now i circular file yale engineering grad resumes too

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

mastershakeman posted:

anyone who went to law school after 08 should be asked how they could possibly have good critical thinking skills considering the risk to reward of that career path

this is also why young journalists nowadays have crap critical thinking skills, also. just a selection process

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



bob dobbs is dead posted:

dude i knew used to circular file yale engineering grad resumes

i asked him about it and then he showed me the yale engineering curriculum

now i circular file yale engineering grad resumes too

the ivies all have poo poo engineering programs except for a couple profs at penn

e: is cornell an ivy, i forget

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
if you say "ivy league", then you mean cornell or brown or whatever

if you went to harvard, you either say you went to school in boston or you loving say harvard

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

bob dobbs is dead posted:

you went to school in boston

"No, not Tufts!"

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

WampaLord posted:

"No, not Tufts!"

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
I went to a state school with a nationally accoladed engineering program.

but the types of people that go to Harvard aren’t the types of people who work or are smart or constructive for worthy projects, they are the type of people who should be guillotined along with their parents and family pets.

orange sky
May 7, 2007

http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/subjects-of-instruction/electrical-engineering/

I don't get it. In junior year you only have three classes? Or is this a thing with the major and minor stuff you have? Does the minor have like 5 more classes? Because my ms involved 10 classes each year, 5 classes per semester, for five years, all related and relevant to EE..

E: except for the dissertation semesters, where I had I think 2 classes plus dissertation

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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
You can take your whole degree pass/fail at Brown. Every class.

It's a good idea.

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