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Another Person posted:Also, Launch is such a terrible character. I really dislike any time she is on frame. So happy she fell into obscurity come Z. She was already well on her way to being on the level of importance as Oolong and Puar near the end of Dragon Ball, but she was still around. I don't really see why she got the axe at the start of Z. I will freely admit my bias against the English dubs probably stems from my days as a kid surfing the internet and looking at those old Dragon Ball fansites. They pretty much all hated the original Funi/Ocean dub, and one of the millions of reasons for that was their complete removal of the filler scenes that included Launch in the Saiyan Saga. Looking back on it that was actually pretty wise, since Launch did absolutely nothing in Z, so including the filler scenes with her would have just confused viewers.
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Cruel Rose posted:"Who is this mysterious new fighter? Find out next time!" "Piccolo is facing this mysterious stranger Shin in the world tournament. How will he react, what will he do?" 
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Jun 15, 2014 21:16
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I wonder if that was what the DBZA joke was about when they introduced Freeza.
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Jun 15, 2014 21:31
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It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was way behind with title card jokes.
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Jun 15, 2014 23:14
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e X posted:I wonder if that was what the DBZA joke was about when they introduced Freeza.
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Jun 15, 2014 23:35
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 Cool, now I don't need to watch the first half of the episode.
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MastG posted:
I just finished rewatching the Buu saga, which easily has the worst pacing in the entire series. During the descend into the ship, it constantly cuts back to the statues of Krillin and Piccolo and the world tournament, so the 'Previously on' segment basically has the same amount of action as the actual episode. e X fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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Jun 16, 2014 00:08
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crankdatbatman posted:She was already well on her way to being on the level of importance as Oolong and Puar near the end of Dragon Ball, but she was still around. I don't really see why she got the axe at the start of Z. She didn't get the axe. Toriyama literally forgot about her.
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e X posted:I just finished rewatching the Buu saga, which easily has the worst pacing in the entire series. During the descend into the ship, it constantly cuts back to the statues of Krillin and Piccolo and the world tournament, so the 'Previously on' segment basically has the same amount of action as the actual episode. Yeah the pacing is painful how slow it is, but god drat I love Buu and Satan being best friends.
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e X posted:I just finished rewatching the Buu saga, which easily has the worst pacing in the entire series. During the descend into the ship, it constantly cuts back to the statues of Krillin and Piccolo and the world tournament, so the 'Previously on' segment basically has the same amount of action as the actual episode. For awhile, I was only watching every thing episode, and just relying on the "last time on" and "next time on" segments to fill me in. I don't think I really lost anything from it.
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MastG posted:Yeah the pacing is painful how slow it is, but god drat I love Buu and Satan being best friends.
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Jun 16, 2014 07:39
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I've been reading DBM, and my god the art on it is stunning right now. I feel like it's really picked up with this latest chapter.
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Yorkshire Tea posted:I've been reading DBM, and my god the art on it is stunning right now. Not going to lie, been reading it from the start and im enjoying it. This kind of feels like a natural progression for the absurdity that's DBZ, Where do you go to have a tournament after Heaven? The Multiverse! Who do you fight? Alternatives and variables!  I also like that Bra has temper issues. Oh you really are your parents daughter huh? 
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Yorkshire Tea posted:I've been reading DBM, and my god the art on it is stunning right now. The art really only falls behind when covering side-stories and I view those as sort of distractions while work is being done on the main chapter.
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Yeah, multiverse is great fun. It's kinda dumb, but gently caress, so is the rest of Dragon Ball. They do a lot of neat things with the alternate universes and the hugely varying power levels across the tourney. It's also neat to see a dragon ball thing where Goku's only kind of strong relative to the competition.
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Yeah Multiverse is awesome. The special chapters fall flat sometimes but overall it's really fun. Speaking of which, I read Wrong Time last week and that one was fun too, though the art sucks. Shame that the creator seems to have abandoned it.
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I'm a lot more disappointed that the one about Piccolo and Vegeta filling in for Gohan and Videl apparently got abandoned. Those two are a great pairing, especially when they're totally embarrassed.
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Jun 17, 2014 05:06
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That's a heck of an improvement, might actually check that out now.
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bowmore posted:That's a heck of an improvement, might actually check that out now. That's not an improvements, that are two completely different artists. The back story arcs in between chapters specifically exists to allow the artist some rest and to create a buffer as well as showcasing other artists who don't try to emulate Toriyama's style.
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Jun 17, 2014 11:34
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I'll never understand who thought this was a good idea.
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Good Job Vegita you look kind of cool
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His forearms are longer and wider than his head. That trunks looks like the kid from that Yaranaika yaoi
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visceril posted:That trunks looks like the kid from that Yaranaika yaoi i am a child 
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Mordaedil posted:i am a child Honestly... it looks better.
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A few pages later in the same chapter there's a panel where Piccolo pulls the best face in the history of sequential art.
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Squallege posted:I'll never understand who thought this was a good idea. Foreshortening is for nerds.
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yoyomama posted:I always loved that moment, I wish that particular piece of characterization stuck around longer in the series. In Dragonball, Goku saves the world throughout the series, but not with as much at stake personally other than the usual saving/avenging friends, beating bad guys, being the strongest, etc. Once he has a family he has to worry about, then for the first time he's personally worried. Contrast that with his fight with Piccolo Sr. (and to an extent, Jr.), where he either doesn't know as much how strong Piccolo Sr. is and what's at stake, and then he has the means to prepare and/or train, but still only knows that he can try to beat him and hopes he wins. There's kind of a ramping up, where he doesn't even know how strong Piccolo Sr. is when he first fights him, knows Piccolo's even stronger but is also stronger too and still ready to kick Piccolo's rear end the second time, training with Kami but still goes into the fight being less sure of his ability to win while ready to give it his all when he fights Piccolo, and feeling like he has barely a chance and needs Piccolo's help when he fights Raditz. Makes sense that he'd be "terrified" of the next set of fighters that Raditz just told him are that much stronger and on their way. And this happens when Goku is first presented as an adult in the series, and this attitude represents a change in his thinking that is more adult-like than his earlier care-free "don't care about how strong the bad guy is" attitude. Finally read all of the DB/Z manga, and you're correct, this was the only moment where Goku ever showed fear, which is why I found it jarring, but it makes sense when it happens. I agree that it would have been nice if Goku showed more of it throughout the series, but that might have gone counter to his overcoming challenges attitude. After reading the manga, I must say I'm surprised at how quickly the manga was paced. Memories of the anime's multiple episodes of powering up are handled in chapters or panels here (Goku's SSJ 3 shown to Majin Buu, which is five minutes in the anime, is shown over 20 panels in 4 pages). Toriyama may not have been the best at plotting or planning in advance, but I feel he was pretty good at actually telling his story in chapters and keeping the pace moving, which I feel is something he didn't get enough credit for.
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Cozz posted:Finally read all of the DB/Z manga, and you're correct, this was the only moment where Goku ever showed fear, which is why I found it jarring, but it makes sense when it happens. I agree that it would have been nice if Goku showed more of it throughout the series, but that might have gone counter to his overcoming challenges attitude. Yeah, Toriyama was actually really good at pacing poo poo out in a way a ton of people he influenced simply aren't. Every chapter has a point and progresses the story in a meaningful way, and you never come away feeling like your time was wasted. It's hilarious how badly this translated in the original cut of DBZ the anime. Just look at loving Fake Namek for a perfect example of how things went wrong.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:It's hilarious how badly this translated in the original cut of DBZ the anime. Just look at loving Fake Namek for a perfect example of how things went wrong. You say it like it was an accident. The manga was still in serialization while the anime was being made, they had to do everything they could to drag the anime out because it would rapidly overtake the manga otherwise.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Yeah, Toriyama was actually really good at pacing poo poo out in a way a ton of people he influenced simply aren't. Every chapter has a point and progresses the story in a meaningful way, and you never come away feeling like your time was wasted. poo poo like fake Namek is why I really love Kai. None of the bullshit and accurate translations.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Yeah, Toriyama was actually really good at pacing poo poo out in a way a ton of people he influenced simply aren't. Every chapter has a point and progresses the story in a meaningful way, and you never come away feeling like your time was wasted. Oda is the only one of the new crop that has decent pacing. Well, Fairy Tail has lightspeed pacing, but its quality really suffers from that.
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Neo_Crimson posted:You say it like it was an accident. The manga was still in serialization while the anime was being made, they had to do everything they could to drag the anime out because it would rapidly overtake the manga otherwise. Throwing in filler wasn't an accident, making it lovely and awful probably was. MastG posted:poo poo like fake Namek is why I really love Kai. None of the bullshit and accurate translations. Yeah, every DBZ fan has a particular few filler moments they missed, but it's certainly better overall. As for the end of lovely DBZ dubs, they will be mourned by all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45kFMOaWAbA Arsonist Daria fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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People really loved to badly translate that Cooler movie, huh?
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crankdatbatman posted:People really loved to badly translate that Cooler movie, huh? With that many supa saiya people it is hard not to.
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It's getting green up in here. Big Green. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyZbxzRKGV4 Oh, hey you guys might also want to check out the breakdown of DBZA's Cooler 2, seems Kaiserneko hates that movie as much as me. Also, maybe World's Strongest for their next movie? That'd be awesome. Arsonist Daria fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Dubbing in the era before video editing software was cheap and readily available sure sucked.
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Mordaedil posted:Dubbing in the era before video editing software was cheap and readily available sure sucked. Personally I feel Ocean Group's dubs for the first three DBZ movies were actually pretty good for the time and still hold up reasonably well, also Funimation's VA for Dr Wheelo is rather crap compared to Ocean Group's(who had the perfect megalomaniacal mad scientist ring to it) Also World's Strongest still holds up rather well, and while it was awesome that Dr Wheelo made it into Budokai Tenkaichi 3, I still want the Bio-Fighters to make it in a DBZ game one of these days(same could be said about most of the mooks in the early DBZ movies, Medamacha would be a blast to play as)
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