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I don't know how the Israeli system of government works, but if it's anything like America's, presumably the legislator already has the ability to overrule the supreme court claim of "unconstitutionality" by amending the constitution. Which I think is fair, if you want to create a racial apartheid state, it should be clear. Perhaps they could even put something like this in the Israeli constitution "We must secure the existence of our people and the future for Israeli children." With that guiding light, the supreme court won't have any issues with "unconstitutionality."
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LEGALIZE IT* * the apartheid state
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I don't know how the Israeli system of government works, have you considered looking into this before posting in the thread about palestine
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I don't know how the Israeli system of government works, but if it's anything like America's, presumably the legislator already has the ability to overrule the supreme court claim of "unconstitutionality" by amending the constitution. Which I think is fair, if you want to create a racial apartheid state, it should be clear. Perhaps they could even put something like this in the Israeli constitution "We must secure the existence of our people and the future for Israeli children." With that guiding light, the supreme court won't have any issues with "unconstitutionality." it's not just the racism stuff the Supreme Court has also done things like "bar public agencies from openly practicing mandatory gender segregation" and "force the Israeli government to recognize gay marriages conducted in other countries" and "yes, it's legal for a town to not ban businesses from being open on Shabbat" and "hey, that Palestinian has the actual deed to his land along with proof that he bought it, tell the loving settlers to stop trying to steal it" it's been a huge restraining influence on the Israeli far-right governments, and rather than write every loving right-wing fringe demand into the Basic Law (the Israeli Constitution), they'd rather just pass a law saying "the Knesset can override any Supreme Court ruling with a simple majority vote" the problem is that Netanyahu's government is entirely dependent on the ultra-conservative fringe parties, so every time they get a bug up their rear end, they can demand that Bibi gives them what they want RIGHT NOW or else they'll collapse his government and force new elections. and Bibi would rather deal with that than make any concessions at all to Arabs or leftists
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Can someone explain why the leftist and arab parties wont join up? Is it mutual hatred, one sided animosity, very incompatible goals, or just old bad blood?
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Communist Zombie posted:Can someone explain why the leftist and arab parties wont join up? Is it mutual hatred, one sided animosity, very incompatible goals, or just old bad blood? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_List ?
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Communist Zombie posted:Can someone explain why the leftist and arab parties wont join up? Is it mutual hatred, one sided animosity, very incompatible goals, or just old bad blood? One of our Israeli posters would be able to give more accurate info, but from my position as an outside observer, I see a couple of big problems. First, leaning left economically doesn't necessarily mean being pro-Palestinian and being pro-Palestinian doesn't necessarily mean leaning left economically, so it's rare for all the parties that could be called "left" to completely line up ideologically. There's a tendency for non-Israeli observers to see everything in Israeli politics through the lens of Israel-Palestine since that's all the media covers, but there's a number of other political struggles going on in Israeli culture, so it's not uncommon for a party to hold the "left" position on one issue and the "right" position on another. For example, the biggest left-of-center party is called "Zionist Union", and just as the name implies, it leans Zionist and openly stated just a few months ago that it wouldn't coalition with the Arabs - they're economically center-left and push for solving Israel's massive economic inequality problem, but they still subscribe to Jewish nationalism. Yesh Atid, another party that looks left-of-center on a generic political spectrum, is a There's also the fact that the single Arab party isn't necessarily ideologically stable, since it was formed from the merger of four Arab parties with very different platforms - they all agree on better treatment for Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, but there's a still a lot of internal disagreement on economic and cultural policy, which makes it difficult for the Joint List to come to agreements with other parties. Second, and more importantly, they just don't quite have enough seats. The right-wing parties hold a majority of the Knesset, and if the government falls then it'll be because one of the far-right parties decided that Netanyahu was too far left for their taste. Even if every nominally-left party banded together, they wouldn't be able to form a majority government. Some polls suggest that might change if elections are held again now, but since the center-left parties refuse to coalition with the Joint List, they'd have to bring some right-wing parties into the coalition and it'd probably not last that long. A couple of the smaller left parties, which are more like what we'd recognize as genuinely left, are willing to team with the Joint List, but they're too small to matter.
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Israeli Labor cut ties with UK labor because of Corbyn lol. They have no real left there
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Isn't a huge issue around settling is that israel's housing situation is lovely, and the government's solution is to pay for Israelis to colonize the west bank?
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Grondoth posted:Isn't a huge issue around settling is that israel's housing situation is lovely, and the government's solution is to pay for Israelis to colonize the west bank? That's part of it, but it's just one facet of a larger problem: ![]() ![]() In other words, extremely high economic inequality and poverty rates, comparable to the US, while the government has largely stopped spending on the general populace and now directs most of its social spending to settlers, yeshivas, and other subgroups with political power. The housing problem specifically has a fairly simple cause: over 90% of land in Israel is owned by the central government, which doesn't build housing itself but rather sells it to private developers on a piecemeal basis. This system manages to combine the worst parts of private and public land development plans - the government imposes extremely long approval processes and gives plenty of opportunities for NIMBYs to slow things to a crawl, and then stands by and does nothing when the private developer just builds luxury housing and jacks up the prices. On top of that, the government isn't starting enough construction to keep up with population growth, and what little does get built is immediately snapped up by wealthy investors aiming to take advantage of the rapidly rising prices. The exception, of course, being the settlements, where developers don't actually have to pay for the land, the government actively subsidizes housing and infrastructure to a much higher degree than in Israel proper, and the government often offers expedited processes and accelerated approval for settlement projects. This all amounts to housing being significantly cheaper in the settlements, thanks in large part to a government policy of actively incentivizing that.
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Thank you. In another thread a poster said that an Arab-Left coalition would be large enough to rule if they could join together, I see thats not the case and its more complicated than that.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I don't know how the Israeli system of government works, but if it's anything like America's, presumably the legislator already has the ability to overrule the supreme court claim of "unconstitutionality" by amending the constitution. Which I think is fair, if you want to create a racial apartheid state, it should be clear. Perhaps they could even put something like this in the Israeli constitution "We must secure the existence of our people and the future for Israeli children." With that guiding light, the supreme court won't have any issues with "unconstitutionality." The thing is that Israel doesn't have a constitution, only the guiding principles of Israel's declaration of independence which includes all the good poo poo like non discrimination on any basis and basic human rights. So they'll basically have to write and pass a constitution before they can start loving with it. Bear Retrieval Unit has issued a correction as of 19:24 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Main Paineframe posted:That's part of it, but it's just one facet of a larger problem:
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i'm the ferociously zionist descendant of a holocaust survivor who unironically believes in the need for israeli lebensraum
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seriously why is norman finklestein like the only publicly outspoken child of holocaust survivors to point poo poo like this out
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the lesson of ww2 was be hitler before the other guy.
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Percelus posted:seriously why is norman finklestein like the only publicly outspoken child of holocaust survivors to point poo poo like this out https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/descendants-of-holocaust-survivors-have-altered-stress-hormones/
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it really doesn't help the children of holocaust survivors are all boomers just about and while generational politics are reactionary af it's also empirically supported that boomers are all heinous money grubbing sociopaths
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i probably should have picked a better choice of words but i mean like the whole generation was money grubbing enough to vote in reagan/thatcher and literally sell out their children and children's children for some short term stock price bumps
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Percelus posted:i probably should have picked a better choice of words but i mean like the whole generation was money grubbing enough to vote in reagan/thatcher and literally sell out their children and children's children for some short term stock price bumps Much like today, it isn't the entire generation doing so. Around the time of Regan and Thatcher there was a lot going on that the elite were able to take advantage of. Economically speaking, stagflation had a huge impact in allowing the sweeping changes they brought in. Stagflation showed that standard Keynesian monetary policy was insufficient. This presented the perfect opportunity for the capitalist class to get economic reforms passed. In the US specifically Carter's Fed had to bite the bullet of increasing rates to extraordinary rates (peak appears to be about 13%) which was grossly unpopular (who the gently caress wants a mortgage at a minimum of 13% interest? it's insanity), so it was a bit easy for the Reagan's of the world to say "see, those policies have failed you greatly. Let's deregulate it all!". This isn't to say that boomers don't have terrible political opinions, or that many of them are of the gently caress you got mine variety, but the reality is that the capitalist elite took advantage of the political landscape and that was the big difference. And it worked really well too, because in the US at least, that's when the dems started up their "third way" narrative and dropped all vestiges of the new deal coalition.
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Percelus posted:seriously why is norman finklestein like the only publicly outspoken child of holocaust survivors to point poo poo like this out He's not, and even actual survivors have complained about Israel, but the media don't like to give them the limelight.
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Main Paineframe posted:That's part of it, but it's just one facet of a larger problem: i gotta say, yeshivas are some of the most useless fucks in the world.
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https://twitter.com/Vanessid/status/988214509234896896
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Pretty sure you can sue over that.
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https://images.haarets.co.il/image/...30.29953562.png birthright founder giving protesting new yorkers the finger outside his fundraising dinner
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-israel-palestinian-protesters-shot-20180428-story.html good article on the amputees that israel decided to create. exit wounds the size of fists from these sniper rounds.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFtqd4s_TXs Abby Martin was on the Joe Rogan Experience to talk about the massacre in Gaza and the fascist attitudes of the Israeli public. This is a 23 minute clip, and it's fascinating to see the hamster wheel in Joe Rogan's head spinning because this is the first time he's heard about most of this stuff.
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goddamn those street interviews finkelstein wasn't kidding when he said israel is mean country
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Real hurthling! posted:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-israel-palestinian-protesters-shot-20180428-story.html "Asked about the type of ammunition used, an Israeli military spokesman said, 'In the context of the violent riots in Gaza, the IDF employs only standard weapons and ammunition that are lawful under international law.'" "Protesters have burned tires, thrown rocks and flown kites carrying molotov cocktails over the fence." gently caress off
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lol https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/991003000079568897
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saw him trending, thought maybe he finally got indicted but nope https://twitter.com/4everNeverTrump/status/991010588728807424
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFtqd4s_TXs the comment section on this was ftw
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doop de doo, let's check my RSS feed and see what the new Knesset session is up to...http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/245252 posted:Nationality Law passes first reading eh, well, that one was expected. wonder if there's anything else http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/245256 posted:A bill allowing jurists to invoke Jewish law during legal battles passed its third and final reading in the Knesset by a vote of 39-32. guess the march towards theocracy continues as usual. I'm sure that's all for now, right? https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Benjamin-Netanyahu/Supreme-Court-president-pleads-with-Netanyahu-not-to-endanger-democracy-553060 posted:Supreme Court president pleads with Netanyahu not to endanger democracy oh, right, that. gotta love Erdan's super dogwhistle quote there, tho. what a Knesset! https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-authorized-to-declare-war-in-extreme-situations-without-consulting-cabinet/ posted:PM authorized to declare war in 'extreme' situations without consulting cabinet who in the gently caress thought giving Benjamin "bibi" Netanyahu unlimited war powers was a good idea ![]()
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luv 2 grant dictator powers 2 corrupt fascists
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can't wait to put a nail through my slave's ear as biblical jewish law demends.
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Percelus posted:goddamn those street interviews finkelstein wasn't kidding when he said israel is mean country ![]()
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There's a really disturbing panel in an Eli Valley comic where he backs down from some large Zionist who's threatening him on the street in New York, and he quotes a line that's roughly "it's the thugs who make history."
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"This is enough, people are waking up, the tide is turning" *it is never going to change
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lol thats some third world level of disdain for poor people
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Plutonis posted:lol thats some third world level of disdain for poor people i mean before i remembered what thread this was i thought it was the us
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