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Saul Goode posted:There seems to be a lack of guys who've been repackaged as different characters in the current WWE roster. Brodus Clay!
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Honestly there's only so many ways that you can repackage a guy without masks or drastic hair style changes, where you don't have to acknowledge it's the same guy but with a completely different characterization. Zack Ryder is a different character than "Hawkins and Ryder" Zack Ryder, but it's acknowledged to be the same guy. See also Johnny Nitro vs John Morrison, Festus vs Luke Gallows, Brodus Clay vs Funkasaurus Brodus Clay. Almost all of the cases where the gimmick is at least kayfabe two different guys involves a stint in another promotion or back in developmental.
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Oct 7, 2012 18:15
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Saul Goode posted:There seems to be a lack of guys who've been repackaged as different characters in the current WWE roster. You've got: Honestly, I kind of think its the current WWE culture. It used to be "Oh, people think the voodoo dude is played out? You're now the ultimate fighting machine. Welp, people are making GBS threads all over that. Take this neon green fedora, you're a pimp now. Thats dragging a bit too, isnt it? Now you are a REFORMED pimp. Hang on, that sucks. Keep being a pimp, it pops the crowd at house shows and dark matches". Now its more "The lovely gimmick (or lack thereof) we gave you isnt working. We have nothing for you right now, get the gently caress out". The only chance they have really is to go somewhere else (Japan, mexico, whereever), develop their own character and get over, then MAYBE they might be invited back to do a version of that character.
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Oct 7, 2012 18:16
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On the subject of stupid gimmicks... I've read that Santino is a pretty decent MMA/Judo fighter? This wouldn't it be a better gimmick than the comedy shtick he has now?
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Oct 7, 2012 21:07
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His gimmick was badass russian shooter in OVW, and he has a legit background in judo.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:His gimmick was badass russian shooter in OVW, and he has a legit background in judo. But like Koslov's Sambo background, he doesn't get to use it for some inexplicable reason.
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Oct 7, 2012 21:23
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Fair's fair, most of the guys with pro wrestling backgrounds aren't allowed to use those either. 
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Sean Archer posted:On the subject of stupid gimmicks... Worked MMA is really difficult to do, and outside of a cool throw or two Santino is not good at it.
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Oct 7, 2012 21:45
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Worked MMA tends to just look terrible. Incorporating some of the flashier parts of the sport ( throws and good looking submissions) is fine, but a full on character that primarily uses that style would probably be more boring than anything else.
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Oct 7, 2012 21:52
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Glamorama26 posted:Worked MMA tends to just look terrible. Incorporating some of the flashier parts of the sport ( throws and good looking submissions) is fine, but a full on character that primarily uses that style would probably be more boring than anything else. Worked MMA is how wrestling was born.
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Oct 7, 2012 22:22
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Glamorama26 posted:Worked MMA tends to just look terrible. Incorporating some of the flashier parts of the sport ( throws and good looking submissions) is fine, but a full on character that primarily uses that style would probably be more boring than anything else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZMrOV22rRc Found a promo of Santino in his Russian shoot fighter gimmick, with a few clips thrown in. Some flashy moves there, it would be great if he busted some of those out after a hot tag or something.
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Oct 7, 2012 22:23
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The best way to do an MMA gimmick is the Shamrock/Lesnar route: Mostly wrestling with some wrestling submissions and throws thrown in. Stuff like Boris Alexiev and Sylvester Terkay never works
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Gonzo McFee posted:Worked MMA is how wrestling was born. I understand that, I just don't see how that would translate today. Even the Angle/Joe Octagon match had a tough time winning over the crowd. For better or worse, crowds are trained to pop for signature spots, not in depth technical work or guys fighting over a mount. Although, now I do want to see Cena and oh lets say, Lord Tensai in a worked UFC style fight.
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Have any other wrestlers used the GTS? I'd imagine some have used it since Punk started as homage, but did anyone use it as a strong tool in their moveset before Punk did?
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Miles O'Brian posted:Have any other wrestlers used the GTS? I'd imagine some have used it since Punk started as homage, but did anyone use it as a strong tool in their moveset before Punk did? KENTA.
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Miles O'Brian posted:Have any other wrestlers used the GTS? I'd imagine some have used it since Punk started as homage, but did anyone use it as a strong tool in their moveset before Punk did? KENTA was the person that Punk stole it from.
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KENTA is usually credited with creating it and that's where Punk lifted it from. KENTA also has used an inverted version before and it's nasty business. I imagine in a short time, the GTS will be like the Codebreaker and everyone on the Indies will be busting it out ad nauseum (unless this has already happened and I just haven't noticed.) Edit: Beaten repeatedly and with great anger
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Glamorama26 posted:KENTA is usually credited with creating it and that's where Punk lifted it from. KENTA also has used an inverted version before and it's nasty business. I imagine in a short time, the GTS will be like the Codebreaker and everyone on the Indies will be busting it out ad nauseum (unless this has already happened and I just haven't noticed.) There are a few GTS variants on the indies, from Cheech's "Go 2 Cheech"/"Deluxe" (gutwrench rack into the knee strike to the face), Hallowicked's "Go 2 Sleepy Hollow" (kick to the midsection instead of a knee strike), Daisuke Harada's hiptoss lift into the knee strike variant. Obariyon, from the Batiri, does the inverted GTS and calls it "Go 2 Hell." (Although they haven't settled on a family friendly name for it in Chikara yet.)
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Oct 8, 2012 01:58
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Glamorama26 posted:I understand that, I just don't see how that would translate today. Even the Angle/Joe Octagon match had a tough time winning over the crowd. For better or worse, crowds are trained to pop for signature spots, not in depth technical work or guys fighting over a mount. As far as I'm concerned, stuff like Tajiri's matches with Finlay in SMASH are basically worked MMA anyway.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Many videos of Japanese men killing each other Days late, but thanks for the links!
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Deadpool posted:KENTA was the person that Punk stole it from.
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SiKboy posted:Honestly, I kind of think its the current WWE culture. Yeah they've gone from trying to figure out what a guy's best traits are to just firing them if they don't live up to whatever expectations they have. If another Glen Jacobs came along today I can't imagine him lasting very long at all. Didn't make it as a demented dentist? Sorry bud, creative's got nothing else for ya. Hammond Egger fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Oct 8, 2012 |
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Glamorama26 posted:KENTA is usually credited with creating it and that's where Punk lifted it from. KENTA also has used an inverted version before and it's nasty business.  For context re: the Burning Hammer, here's all seven of them.
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Has KENTA pinned Kenta Kobashi ever?
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Chortles posted:
Honestly don't understand how Misawa never broke his neck with those bumps.
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Aubergine Mage posted:Honestly don't understand how Misawa never broke his neck with those bumps. Because he has FIGHTING SPIRITUUUUUUUUUUU~ Obviously.
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Well, had.
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FishBulb posted:Well, had. He's still fighting the Grim Reaper in a so-far-3-year-long mat classic.
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Coming upon HiaC, I've always wondered if the top of the cage for Taker/Mankind that Foley fell through was gimmicked or not? I vaguely remember hearing that it wasn't and it was never intended for him to fall through the top.
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Orgophlax posted:Coming upon HiaC, I've always wondered if the top of the cage for Taker/Mankind that Foley fell through was gimmicked or not? I vaguely remember hearing that it wasn't and it was never intended for him to fall through the top. I think the story is that it was, but not properly. Only half of it was meant to fall, so he'd roll down it into the ring, but the entire thing just went straight through.
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It was supposed to come slack, so it would open a little bit, and Mick would roll off it into the ring, to break the fall a bit. Instead, he hit it so hard the hinge broke.
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Taker legit thought he had just murdered Mick Foley.
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I think Terry Funk thought he was dead too and had decided to die by his side, hands entwined as the darkness crept in. Seriously, an underrated call of that match is JR saying "Terry Funk just got chokeslammed OUT OF HIS SHOES" He says it with such delight, surprise and horror.
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Haha, I skipped from the beginning of this thread to the end, and we're still talking about Taker/Foley! Wow. Yeah, I watched the Undertaker interview and it's super freaky how that all went down. edit: oh god this recap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGMxZ861j68 Jefferoo fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Oct 9, 2012 |
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Glamorama26 posted:I think Terry Funk thought he was dead too and had decided to die by his side, hands entwined as the darkness crept in. Terry jumping in was some amazing improv to cover. It just goes to prove how professional both Terry and Taker are, that they thought a guy legit died in the ring, then CARRIED ON.
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I think in Foley's AoW interview he talks about being knocked out by the fall then waking up in the ring next to Funk who was wearing no shoes.
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Domalom posted:I think in Foley's AoW interview he talks about being knocked out by the fall then waking up in the ring next to Funk who was wearing no shoes.
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Domalom posted:I think in Foley's AoW interview he talks about being knocked out by the fall then waking up in the ring next to Funk who was wearing no shoes. Yeah, in his book he talks to Taker the next day and you realise how much he was out of it after going through the cage. He asks Taker if he had used the thumb tacks, and Taker says, "Uhh, yeah, you used them... do you not remember?". I got the impression Mick was a little embarrassed that he had completed the rest of the match (including a piledriver onto a chair) on autopilot.
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One of the best Terry Funk stories is that when Foley is down on the mat knocked out, Funk runs over to check on him and says something along the lines of "Goddammit Cactus, I'll buy you some more time," gets up and runs over and gets chokeslammed by Taker. When Foley finally gets round to watching the match with Funk, Funk apparently smiles at him and gives him the thumbs up drawling "Told you I'd buy you more time."
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Orgophlax posted:Coming upon HiaC, I've always wondered if the top of the cage for Taker/Mankind that Foley fell through was gimmicked or not? I vaguely remember hearing that it wasn't and it was never intended for him to fall through the top. It was definitely gimmicked, if you watch carefully I believe at one point Undertaker almost puts his foot through the corner of the gimmicked section and you can see the little bits of whatever it is they're using to hold it temporarily in place pop off as the corner folds down.
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