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Lightning Knight posted:27 yes/38 unsure among independents is surprisingly good, but “more like Bernie Sanders” is unfortunately a very vague question. Yeah. For example, do they like his policies? His good reputation? The way he yells at kids to get off his lawn? Who knows?
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Ice Phisherman posted:Yeah. For example, do they like his policies? His good reputation? The way he yells at kids to get off his lawn? Who knows? His demographics?
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quote:Crowley won the Working Families Party nomination, despite losing the Democratic one. After Ocasio-Cortez won, WFP wanted to put her on their ballot line for the November election, and asked him to vacate. But to remove him as their nominee from the ballot, the Working Families Party would essentially have to nominate Crowley for another position on the ballot — and he’d have to accept. lyin joe crowley
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Ice Phisherman posted:Yeah. For example, do they like his policies? His good reputation? The way he yells at kids to get off his lawn? Who knows? The way he degrades women.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:absent ranked choice voting, fusion voting lets you quantify how many people think "i'd prefer Person A over Person B, but I don't like Person A either" So your argument is that in 2016 only the 3.7% of Democrats in NY14 who voted WFP didn't like Crowley or would have preferred a different more left-wing candidate? Stunning condemnation of the left wing of the party here. Al fusion voting does is is allow for grift machines. Hello Women's Choice party.
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Jul 13, 2018 12:01
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A Family Of Woodchucks Ate Paul Ryan's Car
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I'm late, but DaveWoo, Skex, and anyone else defending Crowley/attacking Ocasio-Cortez needs to first justify Crowley intentionally staying on the ballot. He isn't just not wanting to do work himself (not a good look for a twenty+ year politician, on a tangent), he is refusing to let other people do it for him. He wants to be on the ballot. If the best defense you can come up with is, "well it's not going to make a big difference, he's just deliberately insulting her, really she's the bad one for letting his antagonism affect her," then you're basically conceding the point that he's scum and are just arguing around it because it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge. Seriously, anything past that doesn't matter; until that's addressed, the only possibility is that Crowley is deliberately loving over Ocasio-Cortez and you're just trying to debate how much that actually matters. That doesn't make him not a lovely person who's openly lying and screwing over someone he pledged to work with, even if you manage to come up with the least awful reason why he might be doing so. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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From The Files Of the Blue Dog Democrats, July 13 2018:quote:“I’ll be 71 years old in August, you’re going to whip me? Kiss my you know what,” Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia told the site when asked if Schumer could influence which way he’ll vote. https://splinternews.com/turns-out-you-cant-count-on-centrist-democrats-for-a-go-1827574012
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Jul 13, 2018 16:47
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Yeah, sounds about right.
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Jul 13, 2018 16:53
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Honestly, the more I think about it, the more that quoted article seems kinda useless. They're going to say they can't be whipped regardless of if that's actually true. I still don't trust Manchin et al to vote correctly, but poo poo like this isn't why.
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Yeah those guys sound like they are going to be REALLY useful come 2020. We can't ditch their worthless asses soon enough so anyone crying everytime their shittiness is pointed out should pound sand if they actually want to accomplish anything after hopefully taking congress. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Jul 13, 2018 17:29
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WFP needs to just nominate him for something and then let him accept or decline the nomination.
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Jul 13, 2018 18:20
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King of Solomon posted:Honestly, the more I think about it, the more that quoted article seems kinda useless. They're going to say they can't be whipped regardless of if that's actually true. I still don't trust Manchin et al to vote correctly, but poo poo like this isn't why. I simply do not know how to respond to this, you think it's ok for sitting Dems to publicly bray that they don't give a gently caress about leadership and will do whatever they want on a vital Supreme Court pick? They're not even giving good reasons for this, they're just saying "I don't need to listen, kiss my rear end"
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I simply do not know how to respond to this, you think it's ok for sitting Dems to publicly bray that they don't give a gently caress about leadership and will do whatever they want on a vital Supreme Court pick? They're not even giving good reasons for this, they're just saying "I don't need to listen, kiss my rear end" I think what they're saying is effectively white noise. It's loving meaningless.
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King of Solomon posted:I think what they're saying is effectively white noise. It's loving meaningless. You think Democratic Senators saying "I can't be whipped to vote with my caucus, I'm gonna do whatever I want, kiss my rear end" is meaningless? loving brainworms infestations, man.
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Jul 13, 2018 18:43
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WampaLord posted:You think Democratic Senators saying "I can't be whipped to vote with my caucus, I'm gonna do whatever I want, kiss my rear end" is meaningless? I do think that, because politicians lie all the loving time. Are you suggesting that we should actually care when John McCain has deep concerns about things?
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King of Solomon posted:I do think that, because politicians lie all the loving time. Gee I wonder why so many people don't bother voting and are easily swayed by an outsider claiming he's not like politicians. You shouldn't accept "lying all the time" as the status quo from your elected representative, you loving smoothbrain.
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Jul 13, 2018 18:48
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WampaLord posted:Gee I wonder why so many people don't bother voting and are easily swayed by an outsider claiming he's not like politicians. You realize that this is exactly what Manchin, McCaskill, and Donnelly are doing in that quote, right?
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Mr Hootington posted:All the centrists [...] are secret nazis.
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Jul 13, 2018 18:57
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Jul 13, 2018 19:10
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Being unwilling to do something just because party leadership tells you is in general a good thing, since the people that voted for you voted for you and not for Chuck Schumer. Also because, let's be honest, the last thing in the world we want is everyone voting lockstep with Schumer of all people. In that sense, it is white noise. The problem, of course, being that in this particular hypothetical Dem leadership is on the right side of the issue, and therefore what they ought to be saying is "I don't need to be whipped on this issue because I'd vote against Trump on my own." e: These are also the kind of statements that actually legitimately help a politician in a red state. Rural voters probably don't give a poo poo about bank deregulation, but they sure as hell aren't a big fan of being controlled by coastal Democratic elites. Even if a congressperson voted the right way every time, they'd still want to talk the talk about how Schumer can't tell them what to do. Mornacale fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Jul 13, 2018 19:21
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Sure, but if they actually vote for Kavanaugh, while some Republicans vote against him and thus he could have been stopped, then they need to be thrown out on their asses. It'd be great if this were twelve-dimensional chess to make the Republicans think they plan to vote for him and thus bait out some no votes from particular GOP senators, but I feel that's not that likely.
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Jul 13, 2018 19:44
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Here's another election where the progressive beats the centrist and the centrist immediately turns around and starts running a spoiler campaign: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/10/former-us-attorney-independent-candidate-michigan/770650002/
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Jul 13, 2018 19:50
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Jul 13, 2018 21:06
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lol come on Glenn that one is such a gimme.
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Roland Jones posted:Sure, but if they actually vote for Kavanaugh, while some Republicans vote against him and thus he could have been stopped, then they need to be thrown out on their asses. Yeah, for sure, let me be clear that anyone who votes for Kavanaugh is either a fascist or a collaborator and should be permanently removed from politics at the very least. But I would expect them to say what they said any time they were asked about getting whipped, no matter how they planned to vote, so I'm not upset about those statements. Of course, I do think Joe Manchin et al are fash so I'm fully prepared to be upset at them actually legit selling out America.
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Mornacale posted:Yeah, for sure, let me be clear that anyone who votes for Kavanaugh is either a fascist or a collaborator and should be permanently removed from politics at the very least. But I would expect them to say what they said any time they were asked about getting whipped, no matter how they planned to vote, so I'm not upset about those statements.  I absolutely expect Manchin in particular to gently caress us over.
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VitalSigns posted:So you want third parties to actually run on things, but only if they're not going to do well enough to let Republicans win, thereby defeating the whole purpose of third parties actually running on things. There is no difference between cuomo and a republican. gently caress you for supporting an R in D clothing.
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Jul 14, 2018 07:42
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https://twitter.com/nychange/status/1017451390094987264 gently caress you cuomo
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Jul 14, 2018 10:26
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Can't wait to leave the Gov line blank in November.
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Jul 14, 2018 14:56
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Here's another election where the progressive beats the centrist and the centrist immediately turns around and starts running a spoiler campaign: The centrist has a shitload of support in the comments.
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Matt Zerella posted:Can't wait to leave the Gov line blank in November. You don’t think Nixon is going to win the primary or did I miss something?
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Jul 14, 2018 18:04
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 Oh my god Sacha Baron Cohen is a genius
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Jul 14, 2018 18:10
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Holy gently caress. "They assured me it's what Benjamin Netanyahu wanted..."
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Jul 14, 2018 18:34
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just following netanyahu's orders?? 
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Jul 14, 2018 18:39
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ahaha that's amazing
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Jul 14, 2018 18:45
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This country got hosed so unbelievably hard, ha ha ha
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Cohen is a goddamn treasure.
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