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merk posted:lol come on Lol this was my next post
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fool_of_sound posted:So yeah I think infinitum is at minimum lying about one or more of 1) not knowing what the items do, 2) not knowing which item went to who, 3) being asked to distribute the items on night 0, and/or 4) having no further interaction with the items once distributed. Yes. This is where I'm at too, and I think it is likely item 1). I will even ##vote Infi On a fresh mind this morning, I'm not sure of the case on Amoeba and may not even go back to him today. I think he may just actually dislike me and his posts read that way, even the one defending me.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:37
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merk posted:Yes. This is where I'm at too, and I think it is likely item 1). I will even ##vote Infi Maybe you said this somewhere then but I guess are you thinking infi had this whole plan to set up fool or how do you account for the missing item?
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Apr 2, 2019 14:40
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##vote jfisk
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Apr 2, 2019 14:45
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Hal Incandenza posted:Maybe you said this somewhere then but I guess are you thinking infi had this whole plan to set up fool or how do you account for the missing item? That's a good point. My position is that his intent behind it is to gain town credibility. However, that gets thrown out the window if he's setting up fool for a d1 lynch and fool flips town. If fool flips scum and Infi is scum, that seems like a pretty bad strategy to bus a scum buddy. ##unvote - let me think more.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:48
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Next someone will quote infi saying he’d laugh as a scumslip
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Apr 2, 2019 14:51
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Retro Futurist posted:I dont disagree but wouldn’t toal just pardon themselves? I think that's part of Fisk's point and I'm inclined to agree
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Apr 2, 2019 15:11
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merk posted:lol come on It seemed Fruedianesque to me but maybe I'm overanalyzing
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Apr 2, 2019 15:13
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Jon Joe posted:##vote fool of sound I’ve cooled on solus and agree with Fisk that fool’s response reads as scrambling. There’s no way there’s some kind of n0 bus driver, so I feel pretty confident in saying one of fool or infi is lying, and between the two fool comes off much worse. ##vote Jon Joe 1. Forced dichotomy of who to lynch. 2. Your vote piggybacks onto Fisk to lessen your culpability if fool flips town. 3. The real crux of your vote is setup speculation which lessens your culpability if fool flips town (eh, I guess maybe there IS a busdriver!) or implicates Infi instead of you (now Infi must be lying!!). 4. It looks like you purposely got into a slapfight which didn't advance scum hunting. 5. The rest of your content is 'meh'.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:25
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##unvote I can almost see the case on fool but they're new right? And it makes sense to muck up a simple town thing like claiming an item or whatever. The thing that pings me the most is calling Infinitums role weird, because it happened and I know it happened cause I have the brooch. It was called a pregame event rather than 'someone gives this to you or this happens' but it definitely is neutral wording that could imply anything. I guess I'll save you all time because someone echoed fisks sentiment about lynching me to remove a town pardon from the? game? I can't pardon myself, and I thing the govoner power is iffy at best depending on how good your reads are so I'm tempted to burn it here just so that 'lol kill Toalpaz to see what happens' dies out.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:37
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Toal does the governor end the day or just make one person unlynchable?
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Apr 2, 2019 15:41
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kaschei posted:Toal does the governor end the day or just make one person unlynchable? Sorry yeah, makes one other player unlunchable. I don't get people having town reads of Fisk either when it's like just commentary and complaining and killing someone to burn a power for reasons.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:44
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I'm 'neutral' on Fisk, which is a step up from my initial position of 'leaning scum' on every player when the game starts.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:50
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@infi the vote stays on toalpaz because that’s what kickstarted the spree of terrible posting @opop yeah that’s the goal. @kaschei bad vote
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Apr 2, 2019 15:53
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Sorry all, I'm catching up en masse. I've been feeling kinda icky and got kinda busy. I humbly ask that you join me on my journey to expose the seamy underbelly of this town and guide us to justice. --- quote:Aaron slowly coasted to a stop. The lamps of his pickup casting rainswept beams on the lobby of the only hospitable looking place for miles. Hospitable being used loosely in this instance. Toalpaz posted:So like if I were to scum claim with a name would you all go easy on me and kill my team mate first? Theoretically? This is a weird game introductory post, and finding it curious is not suspicious. Toal leads us, jokingly or not, to believe that they are: On a team This team is non-town. What's the benefit from joking like this or revealing this. It's a strange thing to do no matter how you look at it. Infinitum posted:Like I'm down to clown for joke phase for a bit to let everyone check in, but there's no way "what if I was scum" is an innocent statement to be making just as the game opens. I agree. That's not an innocuous statement. Dick Bastardly posted:I'm trying to figure what the motivation was for a post like that from Toal. Not sure if it's bad or just weird jokephaize fare. It would be VERY weird.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:56
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merk posted:##vote infintum This looks bad. You yourself made a "shade" joke at Toal: merk posted:If I Did It Hal Incandenza posted:I concur with this Jon Joe posted:##vote SolusLunes this is not a jokephase vote. He’s just jumping on what merk said and Hal agreed with.  This is entirely false lol. This is a fake case. Looking real suspect JJ.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:56
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Jonathan Fisk posted:I buy that We have a "maybe" scum claim, and JJ's fake case, and the best thing going for fiskers is a meta-case from RF on merk... looking suspicious taste. Jon Joe posted:My bad. Toalpaz posted:I think Merk took an internet statement and made a fairly accurate read of it. I think people who say I am scum claiming are using bad reasoning, and I think people voting Merk for not voting on a 'scum claim' are also using bad reasoning to come to that conclusion. Maybe fisk is the worst for just commenting 'I buy that', but I think that GK also read that very unfavourably and seems unconcerned with actually finding scum and more concerned with finding out who's lunch today. This is word salad, but: merk's statement isn't the best, but it's ok. People saying you MIGHT be scum are saying so because you all but scum claimed lmao. People voting merk or looking at merk for RFs lovely meta case are bad. Looking at you TT/fisk. GK is more anomalous thus far, but has p. much made next to no posts. This is weirdpaz right now.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:56
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Jon Joe posted:*reads George Kansas’ posts* Jonathan Fisk posted:Habitual fence sitter, but once they’re off, good luck moving them lol, accurate. Infinitum posted:"And because I'm lacking confidence, I've decided to go with a power move by 'scum claiming' in my 2nd post of the game." funny, but this actually makes your initial point weaker with the sarcastic packaging. Amoeba102 posted:You are failing to read the implications. When I'm saying lazy, I'm saying he isn't trying to find scum and juat took an easy position to look like he had an opinion / is scumhunting. Saying Fisk is worse, is saying he was scummier. This Amoeba v. merk stuff seems so wrapped up in meta and irrelevant stuff that it makes my eyes gloss over. It feels spat like and pointless. Generally, amoeba's other posts have left a strong town feel imo. merk is debatable. His vote on amoeba may be less genuine and perhaps indicative of false motivations, but for the time being. It's an argument that I can't be arsed to invest myself into.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:57
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Infinitum posted:Thread is dull. Rather than wait for people to respond, I'm going to reveal some info. This seems like a reasonable course of action if infi truly believes toal is scum, but.... fool_of_sound posted:I did respond! Nobody has admitted to having creepy teeth yet so I don't have anything to add. I dont like taking total shots in the dark on day 1. Anyway if you did send me a ring or whatever I haven't gotten it yet afaict. It seems wierd you would call a bunch of people out though! This is not good for infi though. Toalpaz posted:I can pardon another player with the brooch. toal v. infi toal validates infi, but fool of sound does not.  toal AND infi scum, hard push to split the vote between the two of them, role mechanics and the unknown as a feasible pardon since it's so early in the game day and what motivations would they have had otherwise. Very suspicious. Treachery is likely. 
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Apr 2, 2019 15:57
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Toalpaz posted:yeah what is db doing this game ##vote db the hell is this vote though, weirdpaz gets WEIRDER SolusLunes posted:MASS Maybe JJ was right. You've made a few other MASS CLAIM posts before this... riding out the jokephase gas. I can't say I didn't do the same with my lack of presence. SolusLunes posted:n0 actions also generally seem to be suspicious by default This is a bad post and bad reasoning, maybe JJ was right. Wtf, JJ might have been right with that bad case? Toalpaz posted:solus has a tendency to die d1 or d2 so I'm just going to make sure he isn't lynched d1 hahaha lol, accurate Toal and Solus then get into some weird meta argument about VT claiming which is not actually entirely relevant to the game. No thanks.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:57
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Toalpaz posted:Yeah alright that basically checks out. WTF, you validated his role. WTF. ##vote Toal Toal starts the game with a pseudo scum claim joke. Infi attacks toal with good reason, he had n0 items allegedly. Toal verifies the items, even though FoS did not. Toal votes infi for NO REASON!
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Apr 2, 2019 15:58
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I pointed out that infi’s claim sounds like after the fact horseshit because it does. There is absolutely 0 human thought process there, nothing like anything I would come up day 0, E.g. even the barest hint of consideration for the potential positive upside of giving an item to a strong player vs the potentially compounding catestrophe of if that player turned out to be scum Also I wanted a shiny thing  why didn’t I get a shiny thingBUT, that was before his big ol’ effort post which, reading through, sounds incredibly town to me so while I think infi should maybe get a brain scan to ensure he’s not infected with any computer chips, I’m willing to believe that really is how he chose to distribute Anyway I’m going to go and address the things addressed towards me in following posts
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Apr 2, 2019 16:00
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Rabble rabble one of my first posts was a joke posts how terribly suspicious rabble rabble. You just know the people pushing me don't actually believe I'm scum claiming because they aren't complaining I'm ruining the game. (because they're scum and their eyes are blinded by greed for an easy day)
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Apr 2, 2019 16:01
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Jon Joe posted:I pointed out that infi’s claim sounds like after the fact horseshit because it does. There is absolutely 0 human thought process there, nothing like anything I would come up day 0, E.g. even the barest hint of consideration for the potential positive upside of giving an item to a strong player vs the potentially compounding catestrophe of if that player turned out to be scum If you thought it was horseshit, then what do you think that said about Toal who claims to have received an item that actually does something.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:02
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Toalpaz posted:scum infinitum giving brooch to 2 town 1 scum and framing a town by putting suspicion on one? Toalpaz posted:even if Fool was scum why lie about getting a thing? why not just confirm thing got? I don't see any strategic advantage for lying in that situation. Nice job missing this and recontextualizing my vote to make me look bad AA.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:04
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:If you thought it was horseshit, then what do you think that said about Toal who claims to have received an item that actually does something. You misunderstand, or perhaps I just wasn’t clear enough, it’s the reasoning that sounds like horseshit - if infi was scum, he obviously couldn’t reveal his real thought process n0 for choosing who he did, so “I split the players in thirds except this one who I thought was lurking for no reason so I went one down” sounds like he needed a cover, quickly rushed to the first page, found the closest thing to a pattern his brain could recognize, and said that was how he chose.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:07
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Toalpaz posted:Nice job missing this and recontextualizing my vote to make me look bad AA. Sorry, I went back through. It's a case of classic AA post/av combo. ##unvote I CAN SEE where you might be coming from.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:08
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At this point in time I think ##vote Jon Joe is the right move I can’t deny Toal has been a little all over the place so far but JJ is a mess
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Apr 2, 2019 16:09
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Jon Joe posted:You misunderstand, or perhaps I just wasn’t clear enough, it’s the reasoning that sounds like horseshit - if infi was scum, he obviously couldn’t reveal his real thought process n0 for choosing who he did, so “I split the players in thirds except this one who I thought was lurking for no reason so I went one down” sounds like he needed a cover, quickly rushed to the first page, found the closest thing to a pattern his brain could recognize, and said that was how he chose. I understand now, my mistake!
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Apr 2, 2019 16:09
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Jon Joe posted:You misunderstand, or perhaps I just wasn’t clear enough, it’s the reasoning that sounds like horseshit - if infi was scum, he obviously couldn’t reveal his real thought process n0 for choosing who he did, so “I split the players in thirds except this one who I thought was lurking for no reason so I went one down” sounds like he needed a cover, quickly rushed to the first page, found the closest thing to a pattern his brain could recognize, and said that was how he chose. And so he ran back to a random list of players and was like hmm 5,11 and 15 yeah I can make this work?
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Apr 2, 2019 16:10
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Hal Incandenza posted:And so he ran back to a random list of players and was like hmm 5,11 and 15 yeah I can make this work? Right. But it’s a pretty meaningless thing in the context of infi’s megapost like I said, more of a footnote to a “infi scum” case that doesn’t (imo) exist
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Apr 2, 2019 16:13
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hmmm..... Now I don't know what to think lol. I think one OR two of Kasch/Inf/Toal/FoS are scum. Toal and Inf were opposed, could have been dramatics, but unlikely. Unknown - Weird play, maybe that's toal play, leaning Town? Kasch validates as well, and has expressed some decent points. Town Inf - Could be town, why as scum inventor give items to town AND claim if you know the items are bad, that favors a town infi, and FoS trying to sink a town inventor by claiming they didn't get something. Now maybe, it was Toal got a bad item, kasch is scum, inf is scum, and FoS is a town attachment, but that is a weak and open ended plan. I think the events lead to FoS lying in this instance.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:16
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##vote Fool of Sound
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Apr 2, 2019 16:20
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People who want to say FoS is scum should also have a theory of what FoS 'gets' out of this. It isn't enough to point at an inconsistency and say 'that's weird', you should be able to see the scum mind/motivations for actions. That's where scumminess comes from. I'm not sure Infinitum or FoS are the right tree to bark up, because I can't see this as being a winning scum play for either.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:21
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Toalpaz posted:People who want to say FoS is scum should also have a theory of what FoS 'gets' out of this. It isn't enough to point at an inconsistency and say 'that's weird', you should be able to see the scum mind/motivations for actions. That's where scumminess comes from. The same could be said of you, for your initial "joke" post. Since you passively disengage that argument, what's the right tree? merk and amoeba? They both look decent. RF has a bad meta case that fisk nonchalantly attached too. There was some heated discourse with fisk and others as well. I would have no problem voting fisk or RF, but I agree that it is highly unlikely that there is a n0 redirect involved. Why have a n0 inventor, if a guaranteed redirect is in play? Granted it could have all been coincidental. I think it just reeks of lies. There's information to be gleaned from the flip.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:24
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Agreed, people should vote toalpaz
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Apr 2, 2019 16:24
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Toalpaz posted:People who want to say FoS is scum should also have a theory of what FoS 'gets' out of this. It isn't enough to point at an inconsistency and say 'that's weird', you should be able to see the scum mind/motivations for actions. That's where scumminess comes from. This is why I don’t want to vote fool. New player makes crazy gambit like that seems to serve no purpose? That would be pretty unusual and you’d think they would at least talk to scumbros first. Not completely off the hook but I’d want something way more concrete to vote new player D1
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Apr 2, 2019 16:26
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Hal Incandenza posted:This is why I don’t want to vote fool. New player makes crazy gambit like that seems to serve no purpose? That would be pretty unusual and you’d think they would at least talk to scumbros first. Not completely off the hook but I’d want something way more concrete to vote new player D1 I get that. I'd be ok voting Opop out. ##vote RF done and done.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:28
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:The same could be said of you, for your initial "joke" post. I can see the merits of voting someone involved in the inventor thing but speculating on N0 redirector existing or not is just spinning wheels. For all we know Somber made it so there was a random chance that someone got something or not or maybe he set it up so there is a chance players find the object each day or who knows what. WHO KNOWS
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I think because Merk's instinct is that Inf is the most susp one out of Fool and Inf I'm leaning town on Merk. I've seen people spiral and get into weird fights but I'd vote Amoeba before Merk. I think JFisk is scum lol. He's done engaging and casing or having thoughts about people, and he's slipped into rile em up mode.
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