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tuo posted:tl;dr: seeing how long it actually takes to polish modern AAA-titles, there's no way SQ42 will release in any barely playable state soon. As someone said above, if they'd have ANYTHING, they'd have shown it. It's not that hard to cut a trailer without spoiling stuff or even go the extra mile and replace characters to not spoil stuff. The spoiler excuse is dual-purpose. Sure, it's an excuse for why they have nothing to show. But it's also an implication that Chris's story is so amazing that to spoil it would be tragic. CIG is probably the best company at passive lying that I've ever seen.
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What does our legal department make of this refund letter? https://pastebin.com/U3XSB1mh?fbclid=IwAR2Qljv8HHWAIVw6nZdrPN8Wioqv8Ofk3J6xKMasnOV74tQFOCcXG_e7ghE
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HorseBodyInspector posted:From star citizen main sub: quote:I've spent thousands at this point on SC. Jesus christ. Maybe the tracker is real.
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Jul 30, 2020 12:30
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Mars rover lifts off very soon live. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIB3JbIIbPU
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Jul 30, 2020 12:37
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Star Citizen: Filibustering until the heat death of the universe
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Jul 30, 2020 12:50
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Dooguk posted:What does our legal department make of this refund letter? If someone can get the interest of a government agency CIG is pretty hosed and will have to give refunds. The difficulty is having a backer that has invested enough to make the Government hoops worthwhile and hasn't already refunded and isn't a cultist and someone at the government agency understanding/caring.
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Jul 30, 2020 13:01
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HorseBodyInspector posted:From star citizen main sub: lmao exactly. The SC Macrotransactions are the lootbox mechanics turned into artificial "investments" within "game" econmy. And yes, they feel the PTU qualifies as a GAME, because you can now "play" it, in this moment and fly around, and there is "so much to do", that amazing generic cargo und hunting missions and visiting caves and prison gameplay and the AAAA bartender experience that has less dialogue options options than capital guard NPCs of World of Warcraft, designed 2004. One dude in the sc reddit claimed thats 30 hours of content, so at least AAA experience and he does not need SQ42 to have fun. The hint that he is "playing" in an empty and (still!) non feature locked pre Alpha Test Unit is met with the usual friendly and and positive vibes. These people are insane, partly sunk cost fallacy victims, partly sci fi game and space nerds with money to spend for their "dream game". After visiting some SC streams the last weeks I have NO doubt the 305 Million Dollar funding are reality. Put in in perspective of the 2800 days after the Kickstarter, thats 109K per day. Now imagine ONLY 25.000 backers spending regularly since than, thats 130 Euro monthly, and within this sum you got the ultra whales and guys who feel that 100-200 euro per month is a hobby fee for the SC fun. 100K backers (is that unrealistic?) that pull that project through would reduce that to 25-50 Euro per month including the whales and "every xmas a 1000 dollar ship" maniacs. How could you still doubt the funding is not real, after all these years and reading the Spectrum and their reddit?
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Jul 30, 2020 13:07
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Jul 30, 2020 13:12
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Colostomy Bag posted:So what's your story new goon? Nothing special. Ive been following for years and have been waiting for CIGgy to either implode or have a miracle. Im just riding the wave of schadenfreude to wherever she leads me.
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Jul 30, 2020 13:13
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I think the one that blew my mind was 8ace in early 2016 saying Squandered54 would be delayed until Q4 2017. And here we are in 2020 with no end in sight. Incredible.
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Jul 30, 2020 13:25
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Reading the Decembre 2018 threads and discussions is hilarious. "Yeah, mid 2020 SQ42 beta is making me sad, but hey, i guess these 1,5 more years will give them enough room, so I am glad they did not just postpone this for only some months". They were so SURE that 18 additional months might be the last time CIG announces a long SQ 42 beta delay, because thats what we got since 2014, and GOOD GUY Ci not G is really open here and transparent, and thats why a 18 month delay is good news." lol. This Scam keeps on giving. Please fund the next ship sales, Citizens! Well, scratch that, you will do anyway.
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Jul 30, 2020 13:27
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TheBombPhilosopher posted:He theorized that the 40 million dollars wasn't in one giant lump sum, but would be probably be spread out over time and chunks of money would only be released when milestones are met. He also, IIRC, had a feeling that the butcher's bill may come due in 2020 when SQ54's was supposed to enter beta. These are venture capitalists, after all, and they aim to make a return on their investment. This isn't the case. The capital was introduced as uh share capital and it was all in one lump sum. We've seen that the UK group received their ~$23m half in 2018 and it was already well on the way to being spent by the end of 2018. They repaid debts including the bank loans (~$2m) and notional debts to the US group of companies due to previous accounting fuckery (~$4m). The UK group also ran at a loss of (~$1.5m). So ~$7.5m of the initial investment was gone by the end of 2018. Additionally, don't forget the investors came back because presumably all the money was already gone in 2020 and upped their 10% investment with another ~$17.25m. They've put a total of $60m+ now.
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lmao Highlight "Bordering on parody, the blog post is very detailed but doesn’t end up saying much." 😂 Oh and "Squadron 42 was originally set for release in 2016." is wrong, that was 2014
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Jul 30, 2020 13:30
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You little FUDsters. CIG said they are happy with SQ42's progress. That means the beta is around the corner. That means it'll be insanely good and fun, cause they've said plenty times they wouldn't release something that isn't up to their quality standards. That means it'll have thousands of hours of content, all for $45. I mean, it's not like CI-not-G has ever lied, have they ? I'm now ready to Answer The Call... 2020 !
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Mr.PayDay posted:These people are insane, partly sunk cost fallacy victims, partly sci fi game and space nerds with money to spend for their "dream game". Dwesa fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Jul 30, 2020 14:11
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That was quite the spicy 'hello' drop this time around. If Turbulent actually snookers the majority of development away from CIG I'm not sure if I'll be able to handle the schadenfreude. The thing is I don't think such a change would be made public besides perhaps seeing an uptick in job listings at Turbulent. The same thing as I doubt that they will publicly announce any major shuffling of CR to the sidelines. It will be a quiet shift to things being delivered and announcements of cutting the scope and rolling back unnecessary 'fidelity'. Backers will suddenly see some different names mentioned every now and then perhaps. I foresee the same fate for Chris as befell Ben Lesnick. Sure, Ben is technically "working remotely" from Maryland and probably collecting his pay still but he is in no way actually contributing anything anymore.
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Dwesa posted:They also seem like really bored people with really boring lives that just want to escape reality and they don't want want to exert any effort to make it happen beyond swiping their credit cards. I mean counting Starbucks as a hobby? Is anything hobby if it's expensive and recurring? One of my buddies used the covid lockdown to spend 20K for his new terrace, Veranda and garden stuff and built his kids a little playhouse. My brother spent over 10K for the overhaul, restauration and new motor of his boat. But can they use the garden and boat on ice cold winter days? Nope. Can you fly your Legatus pack on dark and cold winter days? Ha! Now what’s the better hobby, hm?
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Mr.PayDay posted:Visiting threads and streams of German SC Cultists , makes you realize that there are still and nonstop discussions what jpegs to buy next. I wholeheartedly agree. Especially the German cultists seem happy to keep spending. And boy, do they get angry when someone calls them out for funding a broken Crysis mod. I just paid my favorite chapter of cultists on the gamestar forums a visit. My favorite post from today (upvoted by the thread regulars): Translated from German posted:My sister believes in chemtrails.
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Legit looking forward to what Turbulent can put out. Maybe the best ending to the saga is a game, but one that completely undercuts the P2W ship power fantasy, and provides an experience that's 100% functional, but also 100% nothing like what backers wanted. Just a run of the mill generic space game that would get solid 75% review scores from any normal developer. I want the people who paid $100,000 to get a $19.99 Steam Sale space game that looks and plays like every other one.
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ok, let's go back to the early SQ42 video (Oct 2012) "They said I was dead" "They said console was the future" "Now the say mobile and tablets are the future" "I say to you the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" "I am a PC game" "And I am a Space Sim" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_QDv7DFfxk  I am just happy they written all those things on the promo video.
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chadbear posted:I wholeheartedly agree. Especially the German cultists seem happy to keep spending. And boy, do they get angry when someone calls them out for funding a broken Crysis mod. I just paid my favorite chapter of cultists on the gamestar forums a visit. My favorite post from today (upvoted by the thread regulars): The German PC Games and Gamestar magazines sold their journalistic ethics for exclusive coverage the last years, they were and are indirect paid-with-personal-Infos-from-CR shills that dropped all critical questions. They earned money by increasing sales of their magazines whenever they had SC specials for 4-8 pages. The editors and writers are heavily invested in SC with their private money , and that’s a a great and totally honest fundament for cognitive dissonance when you are covering CIG and SC.
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Scruffpuff posted:Legit looking forward to what Turbulent can put out. Maybe the best ending to the saga is a game, but one that completely undercuts the P2W ship power fantasy, and provides an experience that's 100% functional, but also 100% nothing like what backers wanted. Just a run of the mill generic space game that would get solid 75% review scores from any normal developer. Why would they undercut the biggest money maker they have. If anything I would expect more micro/macro transactions as time goes by, regardless of whether CIG or Turbulent are making the games. Gotta collect that blubber!
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Mr.PayDay posted:The German PC Games and Gamestar magazines sold their journalistic ethics for exclusive coverage the last years, they were and are indirect paid-with-personal-Infos-from-CR shills that dropped all critical questions. You can't sell out you if never had any journalistic ethics to begin with Yeah, they were happy to let the cultist editors and writers shill for Star Citizen as long as it got them some more (ad) revenue. I think that there's also some patriotic element to it since CIG uses a German engine and has developers in Frankfurt. German game magazines have always lamented the lack of artisanally produced games from domestic German Spieleschmieden. Whenever there is a game that has some ties to Germany, as tenuous as they may be, it receives lots of uncritical coverage and favorable reviews.
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I love that in the furor about the SQ42 delay there are still people on spectrum asking when they'll get their special merchant ship and bespoke space bus and colony building ship, like they just can't internalize that those mechanics will never, ever happen
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quote:Now figure all that out while everyone's working at home... quote:Plenty of software companies are still keeping moving despite the difficulties of a work from home environment. Working from home also doesn’t prevent the community team from keeping the community aware of challenges or issues when they literally announce something as coming in days and just go radio silent. quote:True, but not all, and they're definitely not as open about things as CIG is on a good day. Most of those companies are struggling still, I'm sure, unless they are working on much smaller projects that don't take hours to download.
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Scruffpuff posted:Legit looking forward to what Turbulent can put out. Maybe the best ending to the saga is a game, but one that completely undercuts the P2W ship power fantasy, and provides an experience that's 100% functional, but also 100% nothing like what backers wanted. Just a run of the mill generic space game that would get solid 75% review scores from any normal developer. what gives you the idea that Turbulent or anyone else could rescue this shitshow? Without like, throwing out everything but the raw assets and starting over in a process that would cost tens of millions of dollars?And don't bring up the Duke Nukem Forever saga as an example. 3D realms was a real developer that had, when they closed down, most of a functional game. They know how to make the tech of the game they wanted. It wasn't a good game, they knew it wasn't good, and the infinite development process was about flailing around at trying to make something more interesting than what they had. Their design leads were stuck in the 90s and couldn't think of anything but looking at innovations from other shooters and saying "let's do that". And by the time they implemented that, another new game that raised the bar came out. By the end they were basically holding the game hostage to get Take2 to re-up on more attempts to make the game good. Gearbox got 90% of a mediocre but usable body, put it together with hot glue and editing to skip over the missing parts, and shipped it. That's not star citizen. A competent developer can't build on what star citizen is now because it is already a teetering mass of bad code and technical debt.
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AbstractNapper posted:ok, let's go back to the early SQ42 video (Oct 2012) I think CIG has the technical ability to make a mobile game. Maybe some spaceship slot machine shovelware?
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Unpopular opinion, I think a large part of the community is overreacting to any news and should temper expectations, before this project is known for having the whiniest self entitled fans of all posted:I pretty much set the tone in the title, and expect to be down voted to whatever platform surfaces after reddit is out of fashion, yet allow me to continue on this negative karma harvester of a post as I expand below.
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AbstractNapper posted:Also, presumably, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw's exclusivity on Epic Games Store will also expire and it will come out on Steam and/or GOG later this year too. Rebel Galaxy Outlaw's reception, even with Epic exclusivity, probably indicated that the number of people who actually want a Privateer remake is less of a crowd and more of a small gathering.
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Scruffpuff posted:The spoiler excuse is dual-purpose. Sure, it's an excuse for why they have nothing to show. But it's also an implication that Chris's story is so amazing that to spoil it would be tragic. So Pusher dies after an hour and you play as her killer, or SQ42 only has one mission and it sends you to the Epic Store after that to download one of the free games there? Or both...
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Klyith posted:
Thing is, with the ongoing revenue stream Star Citizen is generating, you absolutely could swap out the game studios, throw out all of Squadron 42 except the assets, and make a passable space game. I don't see why this shitshow would ever end... as long as the money keeps coming in.
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Klyith posted:
management. i fully believe that CIG's biggest problem is management, and a different company might salvage things in that regard
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Bootcha posted:This... I can't back if because of my own experience. My invested funds did not count towards the backer funding total in 2012, nor any moment after that, to include my divestment. You were investing during the salad days, where the sky was the limit and people were hyped that Star Citizen was bringing in so much support from fans. I think now that gravy train has left the station and CIG has realized that as well. Seeing that other people are also getting tired of spending would be a huge blow to morale for the backers, it would cause even more backers to reconsider dumping in thousands, especially given the lack of progress on the development front. Using investor funds to keep the funding direction pointed at the moon may have been born out of desperation. It's not 2014 anymore, people will get tired of spending, new potential backers know of SC as a scam, other companies big and small are doing what SC promised to do but better faster and cheaper. Dumping investor money into the tracker may be their hail mary, just slightly better than just falsifying the tracker.
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