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Directed by: Quentin Tarantino Starring: Uma Thurman, David Carradine IMDB Link Official Site Trailer Yes, I know there is a Kill Bill thread but I decided to make a different thread since Volume 2 is really different compared to the first one. Having watched the first one, I came in expecting some type of bloodfest again similar to that of the first one. I loved the action of the first one but there was a lack of story and that somewhat irritated me. This time, Kill Bill: Volume 2 is all about the story. There is action, yes, but it is nowhere near as the amount that Volume 1 had. The movie starts out with a flashback. We learn of Uma's past, why she got "killed" etc. It told a lot of story and I loved the flashback, especially the scene with the old china man. The scene with the coffin kept me on the edge of my seat; Tarantino did an excellent job playing that one out. The rest of the movie keeps its pace with some humor in between. I would have to say if you were fan of the first one, then watch the second one immediately. It simply wouldn't be complete. However, if you liked the first one solely for the action, I would be a bit skeptical about watching the second one. Comparing Volume 2 to Volume 1, I would say Volume 1 was better. Again, I loved the action and the anime scene in the first was simply awesome. But this is all just my opinion. I would have to say 4 out of 5.
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I voted 5/5 just because I can't really consider this a seprate move from Vol. 1.
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May 3, 2004 04:24
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quote:CovetousCreatur came out of the closet to say: Same here. I actually waited until Volume 2 was out before seeing the first one, and I ended up watching them almost back to back (had a brief intermission on my way to the cinema), so I basically experienced it as one film.
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May 3, 2004 04:29
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I saw this movie without having seen the first. I thought that the movie had some creative aspects, but for the most part, the whole "OH MY GOD SHE'S IN PAIN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SHE IS SUFFERING" that was displayed over and over really started to anoy me. I'm sure that many people out there are not used to images and depictions of violence, but fact remains, it gets old. All in all, this movie reminded me of a thread where someone posts something such as tubgirl, then 100 people say how disgusting it was and they were forced to eat their own hand. This movie had some neat elements, but it definately didn't do it for me just because they highlighting the focus to the "wow" effect. I give it 2 (accidentally click 1. drat.) out of 5 because after seeing Volume 1's fun factor (on DVD), this didn't really even come close to entertaining me.
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May 3, 2004 04:34
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I liked this movie as a strong departure from Vol. 1. There is far less action, but that is in accordance with Bill's Superman metaphor in that we see the Bride as a superhero first and human second. It's a much more story-driven movie than the first one, and I enjoyed it a bit more. And Pai Mei is just loving classic. Voted 5.
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May 3, 2004 04:43
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The melodrama was really, really lovely at times for a movie that was advertised as not taking itself seriously.
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May 3, 2004 04:46
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I feel like I was cheated out $9.25. I really disliked the movie for a number of reasons. The plot seemed really random, meaning there wasn't much flow to the movie. And what the hell was with the truth serum. Some parts were far too drawn out for me, and some parts weren't elaborated on enough. Like the experience with the master, I felt like there could have been much more to it. By the end I felt like I just wanted it to end. I have to vote a 1/5 for it.
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May 3, 2004 05:09
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I have to disagree with the above poster. Having seen all other Tarantino movies, I've come to expect and enjoy his seemingly random timeline, but it is actually carefully placed out to create an atmosphere of suspence and sudden epiphanies during later scenes. I wonder, however, if the Pai Mei sequence has more to is. Is this character known in other films or shows, or is it simply the archetypal view of a kung-fu master from Tarantino's television youth? I know that Hatori Hanzo(pardon any sp) was from a separate Japanese television show from the 80's, so it Pai Mei linked in somewhat the same fashion to another medium? The movie was excellent, I was expecting a little more gore, but the metaphor mentioned previously makes it all quite clear now (and explains why she took so much more of an rear end whooping) and I wish I had noticed that at first. 5/5
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May 3, 2004 05:50
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The first one was better, this one did not have enough action and a had lame ending, I give it 3/5. The first one I gave like 4.5/5
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May 3, 2004 05:54
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quote:sizemon came out of the closet to say: Yes, Pai Mei was a character in a number of classic kung-fu movies like Fists of the White Lotus and Executioners of Shaolin. Also, from what I can gather, he's an actual character from Chinese folklore. This is from a post on rec.martial-arts: quote:In Chinese folklore, Pai Mei was supposed to have been a Shaolin monk who Also note that Beatrix said she was trained in Tiger-Crane style.
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May 3, 2004 06:06
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5/5, I'd give it a 6 if possible.
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May 3, 2004 06:08
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quote:Guy LeDouche came out of the closet to say:
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May 3, 2004 06:10
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Wait, can somebody describe the superman metaphor again?
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May 3, 2004 06:15
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"First you've got it, then you lose it, and it's gone forever. All walks of life." Tarantino's strength, even of that little Four Rooms bit, is dialogue. Pulp Fiction was great because of the writing. The gimmicks, like the animated square drawn between Uma's fingers, were all icing. Sure, he "borrows" liberally from other movies, but all is forgiven when pulled in to a really great picture. Fast forward to Kill Bill: Volume 2. And is there anyone who still believes that this was intended to be one movie? If it was, it might be tolerable. But it sems like it was a chance for Quentin to bang Uma for four months and make ridiculous amounts of money doing it. "Based on a character created by Q+U," it says in the credits. These are the credits for a feature film, not some oak tree you're carving in. Anyhow, Volume 2 makes Volume 1 look like a really great movie (which it wasn't), mostly by displaying how miscast this whole thing is. Carradine's lisp and Daryl Hannah's vacant performance are definitely deserving of an entire movie. Add in a fifteen minute bit about Michael Madsen's character getting fired at a strip club, and you're really constructing what needs to be a two hour and loving fifteen minute piece. Mostly it was The Passion of Uma Thurman, with her being abused in various ways and somehow living. The speech at the beginning? Yeah, not great writing. Where's the dialogue that made Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs such landmarks? And this talented writer can't come up with a better device than loving truth serum? On a positive note, Uma has a great body. (edited to reflect memory of truth serum gimmick noted in previous post) Mr. BT fucked around with this message at 06:50 on May 3, 2004 |
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May 3, 2004 06:31
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quote:Geno came out of the closet to say: The Bride is ALWAYS a killer. She wanted to hide as a regular mom. The second part of is that when Superman hides as CK, he is just projecting what he sees people like - weak, unconfident and <something else I can't remember>.
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^^^ Pre-edit. gently caress, beaten. And more succinctly, too. But I'll post anyway. I'll go ahead and spoiler-tag it, just in case. But, the Superman metaphor: Bill makes a point at the end of the movie that Superman is unique among the golden-age comic book superheros because in his case the relationship of hero to alter ego is reversed. Superman is the true nature of the person and Clark Kent is the persona he adopts. (contrast: Bruce Wayne is someone who decided to become Batman.) Bill goes on to say that because of this the nature of Clark Kent shows us Superman's judgement of the human race - weak, cowardly, helpless, and unremarkable. The metaphor part is that Bill thinks that The Bride / Beatrix Kiddo is the same kind of relationship. The anonymous gore-soaked killing machine we saw in Volume 1 is the true nature of the person, and the innocent mother we see at the beginning of Volume 2 is a fiction she concocted. Bill's claim is that the Massacre at Two Pines served to destroy the new life Beatrix was building for herself, and that that new life was contrary to her true nature. You could assume, then, that in Bill's opinion Beatrix is using the Massacre as an excuse to return to her natural place in the world - that of a killer. In the end, the question of whether or not Beatrix is justified in her killings or not is kind of up to the viewer. What Bill was saying, in my opinion, was: "If you tell yourself you are an innocent victim of my evil acts, you are lying to yourself about who you really are. You may be about to kill me, but don't try and tell yourself that you're blameless when you do." And also /pompous know-it-all. What the hell do I know? Your mileage may vary. I was going to bitch a little at drivemagazine's post (Sounds like you stepped into the theater ready to loathe it, man) but he makes an excellent point - why the gently caress did I need to see Budd get fired from the strip club?
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May 3, 2004 06:49
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quote:Guy LeDouche came out of the closet to say: I would give Vol. 1 a 4.5, and I thought Vol. 2 was much better.
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May 3, 2004 06:54
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quote:PresterJohn came out of the closet to say: Not only that, but why did we have to watch the long part with the Mexican guy?
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May 3, 2004 07:11
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Worth a 5 without a scrap of doubt. Every inch of Vol 2 was cinematic gold.
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May 3, 2004 07:25
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The movie may be surprising to some because they'll be expecting more of Vol 1 when it is not. The best way I can describe this is that Vol 2 is the meat of Kill Bill and Vol 1 was sugary dessert. Vol 2 only has one real fight in it, the rest is all dialogue and fleshing out the characters. Gordon Liu gets an incredible amount of mileage out of Pai Mei's facial hair and will most likely be the most memorable character of the movie (as all legendary figures should). David Carradine does a great job as Bill and even though his death isn't a prolonged kungfu bloodbath, it just feels so right. All in all we have a great conclusion to the first film, well-developed characters and a few gems like The Bride being buried alive. 4/5, the same I gave the first volume quote:PresterJohn came out of the closet to say: I still don't see a point to the mexican pimp scene. Knight fucked around with this message at 08:03 on May 3, 2004 |
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May 3, 2004 07:42
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quote:PresterJohn came out of the closet to say:
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definately a 5. i enjoyed it more than Volume 1, despite there being less blood.
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May 3, 2004 08:13
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While I wouldn't say the first installment was a masterpiece (I'd give it about a 3.5/5, myself), it was entertaining enough, and aside from the bloated Hattori chapter the pacing was great. This one, however, suffers greatly by the inclusion of several sub-dvd deleted scene quality bits that were clearly left in to inflate the run time to justify the split. The previously mentioned scene with Budd in the strip club can be ignored on the strength of the Pai Mei chapter and the fight with Elle that follow it, but once those scenes are over the movie slams on the brakes and never gets back on track. The problem isn't so much that this is the "talky" half of the movie, it's more that most of the dialogue falls completely flat. From the mexican pimp who hangs around about five minutes more than he's welcome to the horrible Superman monologue that manages to both completely misinterpret the Superman character and fall victim to Kevin Smith-itis and sound like the director speaking rather than the supposed character there's nothing particulary memorable or witty to be found. And while it's not completely fair to judge a film based on it's resemblence to an early draft of the script, the fact that several of the movie's trouble spots (the pimp and strip club, for instance) are either 1/10th as long or missing completely in the script would suggest they were thrown in here to stretch the thirty minutes of actual content out enough to justify charging for a second ticket.
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I adore the film, and just want to comment on the pimp scene. Why is it there? "Esteban was a pimp, and a friend of Bill's mother." Bill's mother was one of his whores? "Like most men who never knew their father, Bill had gone through life collecting father figures." Who is Bill? Why is he a self-described "murdering bastard"? The conversation with esteban shows why he is what he is.......if you get past the hard-to-understand english, you realise just how evil esteban is......the girl with the disfigured face isn't just a random note..."you'd have been my no.1 lady". "he shot you in the head......I would have just cut your face." Much like the Budd scene at the strip club (which totally informs his character as well as having the best drat arses for elbows comment ever) the pimp scene totally informs character......but I suppose you have to see this as more than an action film to notice (why is it classified as action......it ain't.)
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May 21, 2004 12:03
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quote:Guy LeDouche came out of the closet to say: Absolutely. Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 together are my new favorite movie.
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May 21, 2004 16:51
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The sandwich part was incredibly boring. If I wanted to watch people make sandwiches, I'd go down to my local Subway restaurant.... and it wouldnt cost be $12!
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May 21, 2004 18:08
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By far, the best movie of the year. The last 30 minutes is pretty incredible, I really should go see this again.
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May 21, 2004 18:40
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Didn't care for Kill Bill Vol 1 and was hesitant to see Vol 2. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Story was good and there was a nice mix of action. Voted 3.5
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May 21, 2004 23:12
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I really liked Kill Bill Vol. 1, and I loved Vol. 2... though really I consider them the same movie. This movie seemed more fleshed out or something though, and Michael Madsen is the loving man. So is David Carradine. 5/5
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May 22, 2004 04:18
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I enjoyed 2 more than 1, because I actually cared about the characters in Vol 2. And though there were less fight scenes, the fights seemed more important than in Vol 2. And the Pai Mei sequence is the funniest part of both films. Though, the mexican pimp scene was pointless filler. Vol. 1 is good, but Vol. 2 is great. 5/5
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May 22, 2004 10:10
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I hated the first one, and i really liked this one. Very good dialouge and some pretty funny parts. 4/5
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May 22, 2004 10:14
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Voted 1.5, I loved the first one but the second one sucked rear end. Slow as poo poo, with boring dialogue and useless scenes (The tittybar, the Mexican pimp, etc..). I liked the first one because it was mindless violence, volume 2 exchanged the fun stuff for a very medriocre and generic story told in an unbearable, pretentious way. The fight against the pirate woman, and the flashback to the training with the Chinese master were extremely awesome, though, but not enough to redeem the movie as a whole.
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May 22, 2004 20:08
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quote:PresterJohn came out of the closet to say: I loved the change in pace of the second film, as well. I thought the first one was great, but only because there haven't been any really fun movies in a while. But another movie of that (especially in light of the fact that it was intended to be one long movie--one that we'll hopefully see soon) would be tedious, to say the least. I don't really want to sit through three hours of Blue Leaves when 15 minutes is enough. Voted 5/5, because as a whole (hell, even in parts), it's a fantastic piece of work.
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May 23, 2004 08:11
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quote:profbobo came out of the closet to say: 4.5/5.5
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Liked it far better than the first one, mostly because it got away from some of the cheesy blood-spray and KILL ONE BILLON PEOPLE WITH A SWORD type stuff. Maybe it's because I don't appreciate the genre? Vol 2 was just more accessable.
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May 25, 2004 17:25
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Loved this film and it is worth the 10 bucks I paid to see it.
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May 25, 2004 20:53
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Voted 4.5 My favorite scenes include the beginning wedding rehearsal, the coffin scene and of course Bill's death.
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May 26, 2004 02:50
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I absolutely adore this movie, and I've seen it about once a week since it was released in theatres (unfortunately, it's on its way out now to make room for the summer blockbusters). Volume One was great too, but this one has quickly become one of my favorite films of all time. I've always been a fan of movies that mix up different genres and styles, and this movie really delivers in that aspect. The music, the characters...everything comes together in this great blend of genre codes to make an incredible love letter to cinema. I have to wonder if this will become a new style of filmmaking in the future, especially since Tarantino seems to spawn imitators left and right. The end credits were great too.
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May 26, 2004 05:57
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Second half of my favorite revenge film of all time. 5/5
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While I was enthralled by the first film and think it's nearly perfect, I was somewhat disappointed by the second installment. The plot really seemed to drag rear end in some areas, and the ways that both Sidewinder and Bill died, I thought, were extremely lame. The last fight between Beatrix and Bill was all of, what, 15 seconds? And Sidewinder getting bested by some snake? Please. Anyways, I still give it a 4.0/5.5
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