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Rocko Bonaparte
Mar 12, 2002

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Rocko Bonaparte posted:

Yeah they're omnidirectional. I should have worried more about that. I'll try rigging something to ram them near my face first.

Actually, I got my mittens on a cardioid microphone and it didn't make any difference. I think the issue is that it's generally designed to pick up similarly as well as the omnidirectional from the sides.

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Nope



Rocko Bonaparte posted:

Actually, I got my mittens on a cardioid microphone and it didn't make any difference.
Hypercardioid is probably what you want.

Unless you can, like, get a shotgun mic and a table stand and point it at yourself. Or maybe a Cs1000s from AKG

Rocko Bonaparte
Mar 12, 2002

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FilthyImp posted:

Hypercardioid is probably what you want.

Unless you can, like, get a shotgun mic and a table stand and point it at yourself. Or maybe a Cs1000s from AKG

Probably. I'm guessing I want whatever a poor-rear end Twitch streamer is using.

powderific
May 13, 2004



Grimey Drawer

I feel like the mic type might not make as much difference as youíd hope in this situation. How is the mic positioned now? Ideally youíd do something like a headset mic on an arm right by your mouth on the opposite side of your face from your wife. A bigger mic like the C1000s or whatever youíre going to have to have further away from your mouth and I think that might wind up negating a lot of the benefit youíd get from the pickup pattern. You donít necessarily want what a high end twitch streamer or whoever has because Iím guessing they arenít trying to remove the voice of someone right next to them from the stream.

All that said, if you do try, make sure to look at the polar pattern to figure out how to position the mic to make the most of the pickup patter dead spots. Hereís one for the c1000, for example: https://www.akg.com/on/demandware.s...ar_Patterns.pdf



Did you try the noise gating apps?

A Lone Girl Flier
Sep 29, 2009

This post is dedicated to all those who fell by the forums, for nothing is wasted, and every apparent failure is but a challenge to others.


You could try using push-to-talk as well.

Ak Gara
Jul 29, 2005

That's just the way he rolls.

Man why don't Monoprice.co.uk have the same items for sale as Monoprice.com

I really wanna try a couple of those Monolith 12's. The cost to import them is bad enough but I'd also get hit with the UK's luxury electronic goods import tax

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Mar 2, 2005

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I just got a new 4ktv. I bought a new receiver, but forgot to ask...


If I use optical out from the tv to my old receiver, and just plug all hdmi devices into the tv, will there be a difference between however many lost hdmi additional ports?

Olympic Mathlete
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Some TV sets don't output more than 2.0 from an optical port on them.

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Itís a lg c9. It looks like Iím able to. If this is possible Iíd love to save the money and lose some convince if thatís all Iím missing.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

The plan here is to reinvent Rin Tin Tin as a modern action star, the John Wick of dogs.


My problem with my soundbar still had basically no solution. Anytime I am in a system menu or video game that has short sounds or brief periods of silence (like when the screen goes black between rooms loading) the sound will just totally cut out for a second and then on the soundbar display it pops up "PCM" like it is detecting the sound mode. It's really annoying. The soundbar actually has a "Standby" mode you can see in it's display anytime you turn the TV off, that is not popping up so I don't think it's going into standby. It is just forgetting if it's PCM or Dolby or whatever.

I've tried several different settings on the tv for Passthrough , Auto, or PCM and the problem is the same but all three with normally otherwise. I've also tried switching between PCM and bitstream no avail.

I wish I knew whether this is my soundbar being stupid or my tv being stupid. This problem happens on my Nintendo Switch and in internal tv apps.

This is a JBL 3.1 and LG smart TV, has anyone had any kind of similar problem and been able to fix?

Edit: this is all over HDMI arc

John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Apr 22, 2020

eddiewalker
Apr 27, 2004


Veskit posted:

Itís a lg c9. It looks like Iím able to. If this is possible Iíd love to save the money and lose some convince if thatís all Iím missing.

Skip the optical and use HDMI-ARC if both devices support it. Optical is severely limited, and ARC should work via the HDMI cable you were going to run anyway.

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Mar 2, 2005

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eddiewalker posted:

Skip the optical and use HDMI-ARC if both devices support it. Optical is severely limited, and ARC should work via the HDMI cable you were going to run anyway.

The way I see it is that itís 250 dollars to use arc, and Iím trying to balance whether or not itís worth it. If optical is limited then itís really a question of what am I losing for 250. Iíll reconnect and try and see what it sounds like and go from there. Thanks!!!

Veskit fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Apr 22, 2020

KozmoNaut
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Veskit posted:

The way I see it is that it’s 250 dollars to use arc, and I’m trying to balance whether or not it’s worth it. If optical is limited then it’s really a question of what am I losing for 250

Optical is fine for stereo signals, as it does uncompressed stereo at basically any bitrate you want, but for surround it's limited to Dolby Digital (AC-3) or DTS.

It's not horrible, but you can't do uncompressed surround formats. And obviously it depends on your TV, as mentioned.

arsegrit
Oct 21, 2004
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Ak Gara posted:

Man why don't Monoprice.co.uk have the same items for sale as Monoprice.com

I really wanna try a couple of those Monolith 12's. The cost to import them is bad enough but I'd also get hit with the UK's luxury electronic goods import tax

For woofers in the UK I'm a big fan of BK

Worth checking Ebay for their 'Grade B' items too. The mark on mine that made it a second is pretty much invisible in daylight when looking for it, let alone in a dim room at a distance.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006
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It's funny how with all the ways of getting sound out of a TV, and I'm here in 2020 with a 3.5mm cable running back into my amp because for multizone on a non-$1000+ amp you can only independently do a second zone from an analog input.

Hell, I'm not even sure that spending $$ on a higher end amp would even solve my issues as a lot of issues are down to the source being multichannel and the 2nd zone being a stereo output, and previous setups have meant me not getting the dialog come through.

Nothing is ever simple!

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KozmoNaut posted:

Optical is fine for stereo signals, as it does uncompressed stereo at basically any bitrate you want, but for surround it's limited to Dolby Digital (AC-3) or DTS.

It's not horrible, but you can't do uncompressed surround formats. And obviously it depends on your TV, as mentioned.

Well, it turns out the compression type that the tv is outputing isn't a signal my old receiver can handle without doing some wonky magic to make it produce sound so I'm considering that DOA.



With that said I've tried doing research, on my LG B9 oled and it can produce eARC, so does that mean I need or should buy an eARC receiver? Will getting the right receiver also resolve this issue i'm running into?


https://www.cnet.com/forums/discuss...opping-out-arc/


Receivers got so much more over the past 5 years sorry for all the confusion.

Ak Gara
Jul 29, 2005

That's just the way he rolls.

arsegrit posted:

For woofers in the UK I'm a big fan of BK

Worth checking Ebay for their 'Grade B' items too. The mark on mine that made it a second is pretty much invisible in daylight when looking for it, let alone in a dim room at a distance.

Thanks I'll check them out

Veskit posted:

Well, it turns out the compression type that the tv is outputing isn't a signal my old receiver can handle without doing some wonky magic to make it produce sound so I'm considering that DOA.



With that said I've tried doing research, on my LG B9 oled and it can produce eARC, so does that mean I need or should buy an eARC receiver? Will getting the right receiver also resolve this issue i'm running into?


https://www.cnet.com/forums/discuss...opping-out-arc/


Receivers got so much more over the past 5 years sorry for all the confusion.

It's completely backwards. If you want a receiver with preouts (ie you're using powered monitors like JBL 306p MKII), you need to go up to the higher level ones with the more powerful amps which you won't even be using
And if you want "standalones" (just a receiver, no amp) well then that's now considered "enthusiast level" and hah gently caress you add a zero to the price!

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Ak Gara posted:

It's completely backwards. If you want a receiver with preouts (ie you're using powered monitors like JBL 306p MKII), you need to go up to the higher level ones with the more powerful amps which you won't even be using
And if you want "standalones" (just a receiver, no amp) well then that's now considered "enthusiast level" and hah gently caress you add a zero to the price!

Lol I'm still having this god drat Dolby atmos issue from netflix that is causing audio issues, and is this something that needs to be resolved with a better receiver or do i just change the sound settings and keep on keeping on and live a life with no surround sound (i only have a 2.1 system no desire for it)?

Also am i future shooting myself in the foot if some gaming system comes out and fucks up my audio cause i have a lesser receiver.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Veskit posted:

Lol I'm still having this god drat Dolby atmos issue from netflix that is causing audio issues, and is this something that needs to be resolved with a better receiver or do i just change the sound settings and keep on keeping on and live a life with no surround sound (i only have a 2.1 system no desire for it)?

If you only have 2 speakers try setting your devices to output PCM, should clear up any weird decoding issues instantly.

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qirex posted:

If you only have 2 speakers try setting your devices to output PCM, should clear up any weird decoding issues instantly.

I will do that thanks!

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009





I have a current gen Yamaha S202 stereo receiver and an old Sony DE875 5.1 AVR. They're both 100wpc but the Sony seems to put out way more power. For example, if I have both of them set to 100%, the Sony will get "loud" at 5 or 6% volume on my source while the Yamaha needs to go to 15%. Similarly, if I use line in, the Yamaha needs to be about 60% to be loud while the Sony dial does fine with a quarter turn. The same thing happens with with headphones. Why would there be such a huge discrepancy?

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Apr 24, 2020

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Sep 23, 2007

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Ak Gara posted:

Thanks I'll check them out


It's completely backwards. If you want a receiver with preouts (ie you're using powered monitors like JBL 306p MKII), you need to go up to the higher level ones with the more powerful amps which you won't even be using
And if you want "standalones" (just a receiver, no amp) well then that's now considered "enthusiast level" and hah gently caress you add a zero to the price!

I meeeeeeeeean... yes?
It's cheaper and more profitable to manufacture a lot of something that will mostly meet everyone's needs than to build tens of boutique items that do the specific thing that you and a handful of other people want.
Receivers cost more than just the sum of their components to make, and if you want a niche thing made of nice components it's really going to cost you.

What do you consider an expensive price point?
Because Emotiva makes a loving spectacular 7.2 channel preamp called the XMC-1 that does 4k + HDR that is like $1100/1200.
But they also make a 16 channel (9.1.6) Atmos/DTS:X prepro that is just batshit nuts and costs like $5000
Both of those price points are what I would consider "bargain" territory for what they are.
I mean you could spend like $3000 and get the XMC-2... that does essentially the same thing but isn't this fully discrete behemoth that the RMC-1 is.

Or you could spend like $4000 on a Denon full receiver with a bunch of "unnecessary" frills like bluetooth, and airplay, and an iPhone app, and get a few less channels, but not need to buy amps.

A Marantz 13.2 pre will set you back drat near $3000 and that's only if you can find a hella good bargain.

But on the other side of that coin, you can spend a fuckton less and make a lot of compromises and wind up with a 10 year old, used/refrb'd 5.1 receiver that doesn't even have HDMI inputs but still costs like $250 somehow.


Veskit
I bought a used Emotiva XDA-2 that worked perfectly for what you need and cost me like $100.
Then I bought an Emotiva XPA-2 that cost me another $100 and I was very happy.
Then I bought an UMC-200 because it was $100 and so "gently caress it why not?"
and I saw an XPA-200 that was $200 and I thought... eh gently caress it why not? I'm already in this deep.

And now I have 4 separates that I didn't have to spend all that money on, because I could have probably just done with a cheap lovely receiver, or a $20 DAC instead, but you know what? I'm happy.
I found boutique separates that perfectly fit my use case (I needed them to work with my TV remote, deliver 100WPC, and be less than 3.5" tall) and they've been nothing but perfect.

I don't even know what the point of this whole rant was.
If you just want stereo, then turn off surround sound.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002



Josh Lyman posted:

I have a current gen Yamaha S202 stereo receiver and an old Sony DE875 5.1 AVR. They're both 100wpc but the Sony seems to put out way more power. For example, if I have both of them set to 100%, the Sony will get "loud" at 5 or 6% volume on my source while the Yamaha needs to go to 15%. Similarly, if I use line in, the Yamaha needs to be about 60% to be loud while the Sony dial does fine with a quarter turn. The same thing happens with with headphones. Why would there be such a huge discrepancy?

Wpc hasnít really meant anything since the 70s. Theyíre all kinda phony numbers now.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



BigFactory posted:

Wpc hasnít really meant anything since the 70s. Theyíre all kinda phony numbers now.

Some manufacturers are honest [or even conservative] about their power ratings but that does nothing because you still can't compare it to to other stuff.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009





How important is it for the center speaker to match the mains in a 5.1 setup? The bookshelves I ordered are new old stock so the matching center isnít available. I could get a lower tier center that has the same woofer (x2) but slightly inferior tweeter. I could also get another one of the bookshelves but it would lay on its side. I know that isnít recommended due to lobing, but I could always change positioning in the future.

Or I could save $60 or $70 and buy something used locally.

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Apr 25, 2020

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Honest question: will you listen to anything anyone says or continue buying truckloads of garage sale crap?

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009





qirex posted:

Honest question: will you listen to anything anyone says or continue buying truckloads of garage sale crap?
The mains I ordered are DCM TFE60 and I got a Hsu STF-2 subwoofer. Neither of those are garage sale crap, though I do admit I started out that way. It's just taken time and a reading through a few hundred listings to realize I needed to raise my minimum spend.

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Apr 25, 2020

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



If you want to use a center it should be the best speaker in your whole system, like half your whole speaker budget.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009





qirex posted:

If you want to use a center it should be the best speaker in your whole system, like half your whole speaker budget.
I started out thinking like most people that a center is mainly just dialogue, but everything I'm reading says it does 70-80% of the work in a surround setup. I've also read that "timbre matching" is overstated--matching is really only a thing if your L/C/R are the same speaker and the center is also positioned vertically. That means an MTM center doesn't really match even if it's from the same product line and you can just get something that sounds similar.

I know Steve Guttenberg isn't taken seriously but he definitely knows more than I do, and he says a center speaker isn't necessary if you don't really listen off-axis (my situation), that 4.1 is fine, though the context is that most people's mains are nicer than their center. I tried moving my current satellites to the center of the TV and while I could tell the sound was coming from the center, dialogue wasn't particularly better. There's also the drawback that my mains would mostly be wasted during movies while the center does most of the work. Hmm.

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Apr 26, 2020

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.

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I dunno if this is the right thead, but does anyone have a recommendation for something reasonably priced that will mix two stereo line-in and a mic then pipe it in via USB?

Marman1209
Jun 14, 2005
NonSequar got me this account for no damned reason.

Iím attempting to use two amps, an integrated and a A/V receiver, with one pair of speakers due to room constraints. Has anyone ever set something like this up before?

Aiming to maintain the convenience of being able to turn everything on/off via my Apple TV, but use the integrated for the turntable since itís an all around better amp/phono stage.

I found something from Niles (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00006HOF...i_EyTVEbXV1NBYQ) that can switch inputs into one pair of speakers, but this thing looks like an afterthought, spring clamps and all.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Unless your integrated has a home theater bypass function you are on a path of woe. Quality speaker selectors are surprisingly complex and expensive. Maybe look at getting an outboard phono preamp to make your AVR sound better for music?

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011



If your AV receiver has pre amp outs, feed those into your stereo amp and then the turntable into it also. Fronts are then powered by the stereo amp, surrounds and centre by the receiver.

...but I bet yours doesn't have pre outs.

Marman1209
Jun 14, 2005
NonSequar got me this account for no damned reason.

No real pre-out other than a Ďzone 2.í Itís a Denon x2100w. I have a NAD PP2e plugged into it currently and the sound is fine, just a bit boring.

The integrated is a Sony 1120A which is why Iím trying to avoid having to flip it on every time we want to watch tv.

I might have to do plan B and jam a second set of speakers in there.

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BlackMK4 posted:

I dunno if this is the right thead, but does anyone have a recommendation for something reasonably priced that will mix two stereo line-in and a mic then pipe it in via USB?

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BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.

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Wow, I did not expect that. Thank you

sinc
Jul 6, 2008


This is probably an all around naive question but whatever. I donít usually care to listen at a particularly high volume, living in an apartment and all that, but Iíd still like to get something that sounds nice, just a stereo pair. So volume-wise, I could do with fairly small speakers, but then, Iíd imagine theyíd be physically incapable of producing very low frequencies and all that? So alternatively I could get something medium sized, but then I would almost always listen to them at way below ĒcapacityĒ in terms of volume. So the question is, is this bad for audio quality or something, like are these things optimized towards playing as loudly as the comfortably can?

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

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My sis asked me to help her pick out a stereo receiver for her husband for use in the garage. I gather it's just gonna be used for AM/FM and Bluetooth, maybe piping in audio from the TV. The one part that is throwing me is that he has four speakers setup in the garage, hanging from the ceiling, and I'm getting all confused by the impedance discussion. Unfortunately, she can't get a good look at them, so I don't know what the specs on the speakers are; is 8 ohm the most common? I was assuming that he would hook them up in an A+B configuration.

I'm looking at a Pioneer SX-10AE, which says:

quote:

Note that when connecting to both SPEAKERS A and B terminals, connect speakers with 8 ohm to 16 ohm impedance to both A and B.

And a Yamaha R-S202, which says:

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SPEAKERS A and SPEAKERS B 16 ohm or higher(except for North America model)

Seems like the Pioneer will work properly with a larger range of speakers in this case.

I dunno, halp?

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sinc posted:

This is probably an all around naive question but whatever. I don’t usually care to listen at a particularly high volume, living in an apartment and all that, but I’d still like to get something that sounds nice, just a stereo pair. So volume-wise, I could do with fairly small speakers, but then, I’d imagine they’d be physically incapable of producing very low frequencies and all that? So alternatively I could get something medium sized, but then I would almost always listen to them at way below ”capacity” in terms of volume. So the question is, is this bad for audio quality or something, like are these things optimized towards playing as loudly as the comfortably can?

Listening at "below capacity" as you put it isn't really about the speakers, it's about human hearing.

The speakers will reproduce low frequencies just fine at low levels, but we won't hear them very well, since our hearing gets less sensitive the lower the frequency gets.

This is exactly what the "loudness" function on older amplifiers was designed to compensate for, as are the dynamic EQ functions in modern receivers. They boost primarily the low frequencies to counteract the somewhat thin sound you get a lower volumes.

Get the good speakers, adjust bass/treble/EQ to a level that sounds good at your preferred listening level and enjoy!

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Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Yes, quality over volume every time. You can blow 10 grand on the rest of the setup but you may as well flush that down the toilet if the speakers are subpar. Absolutely get the nicest mid-sized pair that you can justifiably afford.

E: Conversely, btw, you can completely cheap out on the rest of the setup but with really nice speakers it'll still sound very good (as long as you don't crank it beyond the amp's capacity to deliver power).

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