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the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

field balm posted:

Hey all, the newest Pratchett book I've read was (I think) Monstrous Regiment in 2004 or 5. My favorite one I've read is definitely Men at Arms, any newer ones about Vimes etc?

Oh man, you haven't read Night Watch yet. I wish I could read Night Watch for the first time...

Thud! is also really fun.

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the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Jedit posted:

It usually warms the cockles of my black, twisted heart to see people do that, but in this case I'm pretty sure it was said in the book.

Nope. Mentions that it's a gnoll, mentions the plant matter growing on it, and leaves it there, hanging.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011
I do love Night Watch but there's something special to me about Small Gods.

Those two and Reaper Man, I think, just have a little oomph to them that's present in most of the other novels but not really front and center.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011
I like the Color of Magic well enough, though I think I started with... Men at Arms? drat, it was a long time ago. I actually kinda like Pyramids and Moving Pictures. It's different to be sure, but it's better than Snuff-different.

Well, that, and I kinda just really like Pyramids first half or so, and the climax is pretty entertaining in the way it draws together all the mashed up bits that were dragging the previous section down.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Jedit posted:

British people also appreciate the Assassins Guild final exam a lot more, as it's a spoof of the UK driving test.

I'm American and I thought it was funny as poo poo.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

bunnyofdoom posted:

TRy explaining West Side Story

Ow...

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

precision posted:

e: ^^^^ Not to go too far off topic but he was really great in The Rum Diaries.


He could actually be good as Crowley or Aziraphale, I think. Cast him as both!

Cumberbatch Aziraphale, Freeman Crowley. Ultimate stunt casting.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Emerson Cod posted:

You could even make a comparison between the grags and readers who are so against the differences between the older and newer books that they'd be willing to see the whole series end rather than accept change. I don't think things are going back to the way they were before Thud!. It seems very much like that book was always planned as a deliberate turning point in the series. While his disease definitely threw a wrench in his plans, I think he's starting to get back on track and I really look forward to future books in the series.

I think you're reaching a whole lot.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011
I don't really see a sharp dividing line. He's been writing for what, 40 years now, and been evolving constantly. There's a notable shift in sensibility from The LIght Fantastic to Sourcery for heaven's sake. Terry is not writing an entire book as a coded message to his fan base to make fun of them for freaking out about the next book that he's planning on writing.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Nihilarian posted:

It's going to be CSI: Ankh-Morpork, but with fewer magical crime solving tools.

:drat:

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Hedrigall posted:

I just finished Thief Of Time and realised there are no more books about Susan :smith:

:smith:

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011
I generally sort of float a top 5 or so and can't pick between them all.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

DrNewton posted:

Actually, Going Postal was my first Discworld Book. So I got a lot to read.

You lucky bastard. The Watch or Witch books are sort of the go tos there but if you want straight shenanigans in the Going Postal sort of vein then Moving Pictures isn't a bad choice.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

AlphaDog posted:

e: Wasn't it mentioned that Vetinari was put in "the special dungeon" or something similar? Almost as if he'd told everyone that he had a really secure cell prepared for dangerous political prisoners...

I think this is the key Vetinari twist. He makes sure everyone knows that this is the superduper best cell that you should put really dangerous people in... so that when a coup happens that's where he'll be put.

With all his books, food, rat politics to entertain himself with.





Oh, and a spare key to get out.

(Not that he told Vimes this. Vimes needed the challenge of getting out, made him feel useful)

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011
I think it's just that he can't type anymore so he's dictating everything. Unless you sit down and really hammer it out editing you end up with text like that. And he can't sit down and hammer edit except by more dictation so.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011
I was 10, doing a lot of travelling and a lot of guest houses had libraries you could trade in two books and get out one so I traded WoT 3-4 for the Last Continent.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

VagueRant posted:

What about a combination of humour with grimdark torture porn?

Because in Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy someone calls a wizard a magical arsehole.

EDIT: well, almost.

Glen Cook's Black Company also has a lot of dark humor in a... I don't want to call it grim or anything, but definitely a not happy setting where the characters are trying to get by. At one point the narrator gets caught writing sexy fan-fiction about his boss, who happens to be the Evil Empress sorceress of doom. It's pretty funny. I'd probably rate it as less grimdark than Abercrombie. His Instrumentalities of the Night is also really fun if you're into actual history instead of theme park history.

Scott Lynch's The Lies of Locke Lamora is a fun Ocean's 13 kind of heist book with some good humor in it, though the third act gets pretty serious. Still, Lynch doesn't use frak or whatever fantasy replacement swears and many of his characters are really foul mouthed, so it's pretty fun.

The Wheel of Time is kinda my baseline for bog standard fantasy, but I think it's good enough and fun enough to be worth reading. Sanderson was called in to finish it up but, as you have noted, he's a better ideas man than executionist.

If you want to branch out a bit into sci-fi, Ian Bank's Culture novels are actually just loving brilliant and they've got a nice sense of humor, especially with the Minds.

Again, sci-fi, but Douglas Adam's Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy is basically all that early Pratchett goodness in a sci-fi setting, tangential asides included.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

supermikhail posted:

I have to ask: does the Fifth Elephant get better? I really don't care for that Carrot - Angua drama. I guess maybe it's not a question of "better". Funnier? Actually having some stakes?

That's more like, D-plotish. Plots A-C are all real good.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Blind Melon posted:

That is the whole point though... Carrot isn't simple. As the books point out later, you have to be fairly complicated to actually pull off being Carrot.

And to circle this around, I don't think it's fair to call Carrot's characterization 'inconsistent' for dropping everything and heading off after Angua. Rather, I think it's supposed to be telling that he's doing so in light of what we know about him.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Tunicate posted:

I don't recommend small gods. It's a bit diferent from other discworld books stylistically, and its my least favorite of the series.

Boo this man.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Ben Soosneb posted:

There's loads of good, great and amazing, and Pratchett's writing clearly evolves as the series goes on, but he really does peak a couple of times. Mainly Small Gods and Night Watch.

Small Gods is pretty stand alone, and works even if you aren't that familiar with the world. It's sort of set in a time apart from the rest of the books, and whilst there are references, it all sort of hangs together by itself. It explores the aspects of religion, faith, belief and organised religion in a great way. Oh and greek philosophy jokes.

Night Watch requires a bit more knowledge of characters and the world to get the full enjoyment out of it, but if you've read the guards series then it's an absolutely amazing book. It's the 'what if...' you have to go back in time and be your mentor, and 'what if...' you have to go back in time and be the hero, and 'what if...' gently caress I'm stuck back in time and want to get back, whilst being well-written and avoiding some clichés and taking the piss out of others. It keeps up the comedy and the little fun references to stuff that you always find in Pratchett books, but then at the same time there's some pretty dark moments and Pratchett really gives him self a chance to write up the world he's invented now but in the past. It's really good.

The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents doesn't get enough love. Mainly because it's also fantastic and was clearly Pratchett at his peak. I think as a book aimed to be accessible for children it might have got a lot more love if it wasn't a discworld book. It could have quite easily been stand-alone. It's genuinely a great read anyway.

This man gets it.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011
Is the Long Earth worth looking at?

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Goddamn Particle posted:

Oh man I just noticed the thread title :(

Oh, man.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011
I remember first reading Jingo as the Iraq War built up and went off and then realizing a few years later that no, Terry wasn't writing about that in particular since he'd have needed a time machine to do that.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Trin Tragula posted:

I liked Lu-Tze much better as a supporting character. It didn't seem to me like there was nearly enough material there to carry a full book, and it seems like the subject had had plenty of parody attention before Discworld got there.

I mean, even in his own book he kinda takes a backseat to his sidekick and then the plot turns out to really be about Death and the Auditors again.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Skippy McPants posted:

Have you read The Bromeliad Trilogy or any of Johnny Maxwell books? Both are pretty decent. I'd say somewhere around the middle of the Discworld quality scale.

There's also The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents, which you may have missed, since it's only tangentially related to the Disc.

There's also some really old scifi he did. Strata is kinda proto-discish, and there's another one I can't remember the name of. Kind of fun if rather bland space opera ish. Still, not, you know, actively terrible.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Arcsquad12 posted:

So I'm taking a children's literature class this semester and one of the books we're reading is The Wee Free Men. Now I know Pratchett's books are all easy to pick up and read without any foreknowledge, but I'd like to know if there are any other of his young adult Discworld books that also feature the same characters, or if it is one of his standalone standalones

It's the first in a series, so basically stand alone

The setting, I suppose, isn't, but he major players are for all intents and purposes.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

FPyat posted:

How is the book Dodger? Never heard of it before today.

It's fine.

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the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

A Moose posted:

I've seen this theory before, but it doesn't seem to have a lot supporting it. In Night Watch we just find out that Vimes got caught up in a big temporal incident, but is there any hint at it in Thief of Time? If they're happening at the same time, then when in Thief of Time would it have happened? Lu-Tze doesn't seem busy with much else at the time, and I thought everything in Thief of Time was resolved in the same instant it broke, so that nobody experiencing time knew anything happened. Could it have been a different temporal incident? Or was this just an idea Terry had after he finished Thief of Time.

I think it's pretty heavily implied that the lightning strike that kicks over the clock is the same strike (or at least the same storm) as the strike the sends Vimes back. Lu-Tze has to go and clean up the loose ends and tie things back together, and decides to do it 'the hard way' and let Vimes play out the Keel role. That's basically the threat he hangs over Vimes: he could just spin the time pieces and balance things out in the big picture, but it would mean changing Vimes' personal history.

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