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Goatstein posted:ew
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It is too early to say this strategy will not achieve an acceptable outcome in Kosovo, and that troops will have to be sent in. What one can say now, though, is that for this strategy to work will require much tougher sticks and much fatter carrots. Regarding the sticks, I wouldn't underestimate the impact on a modern European state of sustained NATO air bombardments, which should be intensified once the weather clears. People tend to change their minds and adjust their goals as they see the price they are paying mount. Twelve days of surgical bombing was never going to turn Serbia around. Let's see what 12 weeks of less than surgical bombing does. Give war a chance.
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Stymie posted:*a shitload of mustache jokes* his mustache is the only substantial thing about him
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I have only one question about Israel’s military operation in Gaza: What is the goal? Is it the education of Hamas or the eradication of Hamas? I hope that it’s the education of Hamas. Let me explain why. I was one of the few people who argued back in 2006 that Israel actually won the war in Lebanon started by Hezbollah. You need to study that war and its aftermath to understand Gaza and how it is part of a new strategic ballgame in the Arab-Israel arena, which will demand of the Obama team a new approach. What Hezbollah did in 2006 — in launching an unprovoked war across the U.N.-recognized Israel-Lebanon border, after Israel had unilaterally withdrawn from Lebanon — was to both upend Israel’s longstanding peace strategy and to unveil a new phase in the Hezbollah-Iran war strategy against Israel. There have always been two camps in Israel when it comes to the logic of peace, notes Gidi Grinstein, president of the Israeli think tank, the Reut Institute: One camp says that all the problems Israel faces from the Palestinians or Lebanese emanate from occupying their territories. “Therefore, the fundamental problem is staying — and the fundamental remedy is leaving,” says Grinstein. The other camp argues that Israel’s Arab foes are implacably hostile and leaving would only invite more hostility. Therefore, at least when it comes to the Palestinians, Israel needs to control their territories indefinitely. Since the mid-1990s, the first camp has dominated Israeli thinking. This led to the negotiated and unilateral withdrawals from the West Bank, Lebanon and Gaza. Hezbollah’s unprovoked attack from Lebanon into Israel in 2006 both undermined the argument that withdrawal led to security and presented Israel with a much more vexing military strategy aimed at neutralizing Israel’s military superiority. Hezbollah created a very “flat” military network, built on small teams of guerrillas and mobile missile-batteries, deeply embedded in the local towns and villages. And this Hezbollah force, rather than confronting Israel’s Army head-on, focused on demoralizing Israeli civilians with rockets in their homes, challenging Israel to inflict massive civilian casualties in order to hit Hezbollah fighters and, when Israel did strike Hezbollah and also killed civilians, inflaming the Arab-Muslim street, making life very difficult for Arab or European leaders aligned with Israel. Israel’s counterstrategy was to use its Air Force to pummel Hezbollah and, while not directly targeting the Lebanese civilians with whom Hezbollah was intertwined, to inflict substantial property damage and collateral casualties on Lebanon at large. It was not pretty, but it was logical. Israel basically said that when dealing with a nonstate actor, Hezbollah, nested among civilians, the only long-term source of deterrence was to exact enough pain on the civilians — the families and employers of the militants — to restrain Hezbollah in the future. Israel’s military was not focused on the morning after the war in Lebanon — when Hezbollah declared victory and the Israeli press declared defeat. It was focused on the morning after the morning after, when all the real business happens in the Middle East. That’s when Lebanese civilians, in anguish, said to Hezbollah: “What were you thinking? Look what destruction you have visited on your own community! For what? For whom?” Here’s what Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah’s leader, said the morning after the morning after about his decision to start that war by abducting two Israeli soldiers on July 12, 2006: “We did not think, even 1 percent, that the capture would lead to a war at this time and of this magnitude. You ask me, if I had known on July 11 ... that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not.” That was the education of Hezbollah. Has Israel seen its last conflict with Hezbollah? I doubt it. But Hezbollah, which has done nothing for Hamas, will think three times next time. That is probably all Israel can achieve with a nonstate actor. In Gaza, I still can’t tell if Israel is trying to eradicate Hamas or trying to “educate” Hamas, by inflicting a heavy death toll on Hamas militants and heavy pain on the Gaza population. If it is out to destroy Hamas, casualties will be horrific and the aftermath could be Somalia-like chaos. If it is out to educate Hamas, Israel may have achieved its aims. Now its focus, and the Obama team’s focus, should be on creating a clear choice for Hamas for the world to see: Are you about destroying Israel or building Gaza? But that requires diplomacy. Israel de facto recognizes Hamas’s right to rule Gaza and to provide for the well-being and security of the people of Gaza — which was actually Hamas’s original campaign message, not rocketing Israel. And, in return, Hamas has to signal a willingness to assume responsibility for a lasting cease-fire and to abandon efforts to change the strategic equation with Israel by deploying longer and longer range rockets. That’s the only deal. Let’s give it a try.
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The debate over migrant workers is a very important one. Many workers are like geese migrating north for Mexico's economic and social winter but I fear that the winter of the United States has given way to economic conditions much the same, and a long time before fall.
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Home! posted:his mustache is the only substantial thing about him Mustaches are a good thing, but on the other hand they can also be a bad thing. Good things are good, but on the other hand bad things are bad.
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I had stopped for spot of Thai food in Frankfurt while traveling with the CEO of Infosys, an Indian company when I realized that the world is like an open source Internet Browser high on peyote driving a Lexus in the 9th inning of the world series at Fenway park above fiber optic cables laid at the bottom of the ocean using greentech solar panels with flatware paradigm oysters.
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Home! posted:his mustache is the only substantial thing about him it wasn't a critique, i like the mustache jokes
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# ? Feb 11, 2009 18:24 |
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let me tell you this dog won't hunt with the herd, if it did it would save nine
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# ? Feb 11, 2009 18:25 |
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in the next 6 months this thread is really gonna turn around and you will see all the hard work of the posters involved.
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# ? Feb 11, 2009 18:32 |
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Apple has long been the Dr Norton of the computer industry, quarantining the virus of bigness and keeping everyone clean with their less-is-more mentality, one of downsizing and rightsizing and capsizing the overbloated supertanker of the computer industry into a spreading spill of portable commerce. An Apple a day keeps the doctor spill spreading.
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# ? Feb 11, 2009 18:33 |
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I disembarked from the JetBlue airliner and quickly began the long march up the short airport connector. What had Yakoba meant when he said "Tom, the labor market is really opening up." Opening up? Blooming? Like a flower? My God, he's telling me that opium fuels unfreedom!
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At a time in history that the grey-matters of washington can only throw up black and white thinking it is becoming increasingly apparent that we cannot afford to operate monochromaticly if we want to successfully navigate our brains into the future's rough water. For successful takeoff me must realise that the sky is no longer only blue. Blue sky thinking is defunct and we must turn to the green sky thinking of energy conservation and keep an eye on the rosy sunset that we hope to successfully ride into before the end credits roll.
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Thinkmeats posted:Apple has long been the Dr Norton of the computer industry, quarantining the virus of bigness and keeping everyone clean with their less-is-more mentality, one of downsizing and rightsizing and capsizing the overbloated supertanker of the computer industry into a spreading spill of portable commerce. An Apple a day keeps the doctor spill spreading. lol
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If history has shown us one thing, it's that compromise works best. So when it comes to the current conflict in Israel, let me be the first to float the question: why can't Hamas and Israel just get along? A potential compromise could work like this: Hamas would stop launching rockets into Israel, while Israel would agree to stay out of Gaza. It might sound like a crazy idea, but maybe it's just crazy enough that it could work.
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if you hooked up every person with a BA to a special machine that could translate their thoughts through a special timidity filter into a printing press you could generate thousands of friedman books daily.
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When living through a recession one quickly realizes one must tighten ones' belt. And this is true for America: We must tighten our grain belt, our Rust Belt, and yes, even our Bible Belt if we are going to get through this, and keep a downturn from becoming a turndown.
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Megajesus posted:if you hooked up every person with a BA to a special machine that could translate their thoughts through a special timidity filter into a printing press you could generate thousands of friedman books daily. JFK wanted to put a man on the moon. My vision is to put every American man and woman on a campus.
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Police Academy 6 posted:If history has shown us one thing, it's that compromise works best. So when it comes to the current conflict in Israel, let me be the first to float the question: why can't Hamas and Israel just get along? A potential compromise could work like this: Hamas would stop launching rockets into Israel, while Israel would agree to stay out of Gaza. It might sound like a crazy idea, but maybe it's just crazy enough that it could work. Way too cogent. Goatstein posted:When living through a recession one quickly realizes one must tighten ones' belt. And this is true for America: We must tighten our grain belt, our Rust Belt, and yes, even our Bible Belt if we are going to get through this, and keep a downturn from becoming a turndown. Almost somewhat clever, metaphor kind makes sense at a linguistic level.
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MRI chalk posted:The way the bailout bill is running now, we've got the Crips vs the Bloods, and the Crips have the majority in congress, sure, but the Bloods have got organization. And you can bet that unless we get capital flow to the banks to reinvest in investment, the LAPD is going to sweep in and pretty soon it'll be West Side Story - but this time, the only Jet is the one attached to your pension.
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If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that afternoon golfing with Ratan Tata, chairman of the Tata Industrial Group, near the Mumbai campus of the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research. "I gotta take a piss," he told me at the 7th hole where we had a great view of a McDonald's billboard. Then he pointed to some beggar children looking into the course from behind a chain-link fence and yelled at his caddy, "Get those pieces of poo poo out of here." A-ha!, I finally understood what he was telling me. The current global economic crisis was merely a natural buildup of urine in the bladder, and we had to play 11 more holes before we hit a home run to the finish line and have our release so we could be comfortable again.
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I think in the next 6 ______ we will see whether _______ can overcome the problem of ______, especially in the _______ and _______ sectors. It's important to note that ______ needs the full support of _______ and ______, as well as a firm commitment from ______ to fully engage with _______. _______ the _______, because without ______ we won't be sure that we can ______ this problem quickly.
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tom friedman could probably be replaced by dave barry and no one would notice
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# ? Feb 11, 2009 19:11 |
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DUMBocrat posted:tom friedman could probably be replaced by dave barry and no one would notice He said he was looking for a two-state solution. I am not making this up! So then I shot flames out of my toaster
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cargo cult posted:I had stopped for spot of Thai food in Frankfurt while traveling with the CEO of Infosys, an Indian company when I realized that the world is like an open source Internet Browser high on peyote driving a Lexus in the 9th inning of the world series at Fenway park above fiber optic cables laid at the bottom of the ocean using greentech solar panels with flatware paradigm oysters.
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marty4286 posted:If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that afternoon golfing with Ratan Tata, chairman of the Tata Industrial Group, near the Mumbai campus of the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research.
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# ? Feb 11, 2009 19:14 |
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I want to see that special tv report where thomas friedman was travelling through lebanon, turkey, and egypt talking to muslims on the street and even teenagers recognized him and you could see on their faces they thought he was an idiot
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The Times editors had also given me $30000 in cash, most of which was already spent on extremely dangerous drugs. The trunk of the Lexus looked like a
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We can't afford to raise our children in a green economy - the future is plaid. In Laos, they understand this lesson. I spoke with Thongloun Sisoulith, a deputy minister, and based on our conversation I surmised that his country been able to synthesize the remaining portion of the color spectrum - the red from their recent past and the yellow of their people with the green and blue energy economy emerging in our flattened world. Pay attention, America!
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Goatstein posted:and quickly began the long march up the short airport connector. well done
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An economy is like a muscle because globalization and free markets are what you need to develop an economy. But just like lifting weights too frequently, it can hurt your economy if the financial markets overdo it and make their financial gadgets too gizmo. But weight lifters can use steroids to combat the effects of over training, so the financial markets need a "spotter" in the form of prudent regulation. Fans become suspicious of any baseball player who hits too many dingers, and likewise people assume that countries with the most ripped economies got that way through performance enhancing imperialism and the biggest companies benefit from unfair subsidies. What these critics forget is that in economics the performance enhancing steroid of regulation is a good thing. In conclusion, musclenomics shows that globalization even affects the bodybuilding industry because Americans can go to Mexico to find Steroids in the same way it is useful for us to see what economic policies work in other countries. There are lots of pulled Hamstrings on the way to economic prosperity but I talked to a guard from the Beijing Ducks of the Chinese Basketball association who had torn his ACL and told me that his leg was stronger than it had ever been after rehabbing.
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"But Raj", I asked as the Gulfstream touched down in Brussles, "doesn't your cost positive abundance approach leave room for your competitors to capitalize on the information submarket and dominate the bluewave firmshare field?" "Tom", he responded between drinks of Saki, "the world is like a soukh and a stockmarket caught in the hot, flat clamfield of the Upper East Side. The stockmarket has a opensource dynamic approach to opportunity cost. I can catch a plane from Sao Palo and land in Morocco while watching the Celctics play the Chargers in Seattle on my Blackberry. The soukh only sells baskets and burqas, there are no Burger Kings. Infosys subsidizes that vacancy making us the sole suppliers of the commodity side synergy enterprise. It's that simple."
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Lifestyles of the Rich and Pro-globalization
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What they needed to see was American boys and girls going house to house, from Basra to Baghdad, um and basically saying, "Which part of this sentence don't you understand?" You don't think, you know, we care about our open society, you think this bubble fantasy, we're just gonna let it grow? Well Suck. On. This. Okay. That Charlie was what this war was about. We could've hit Saudi Arabia, it was part of that bubble. We coulda hit Pakistan. We hit Iraq because we could. That's the real truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOF6ZeUvgXs <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/HOF6ZeUvgXs&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HOF6ZeUvgXs&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
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DUMBocrat posted:tom friedman could probably be replaced by dave barry and no one would notice "Green Collar Jobs would be a good band name."
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this allusion meant posted:Well Suck. On. This. a moment of unusual clarity, to be sure
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# ? Feb 11, 2009 20:24 |
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for some reason i get krugman and friedman mixed up sometimes so when someone says friedman sucks or krugman rules sometimes i get real confused for a sec
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I struggled at the door, pulling with all my might, to no avail. I thought of the citizens of Bangalore, who pushed on to flatten the earth with ingenuity, a sign that globalization was working wonders. Then I realized, A-ha! My god! There it is! A literally flat sign that on the door which said 'Push'. I must push on the door to open it, much like the workers in India push for better pay.
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As I rode shotgun with the Governor in his Hydrogen Hummer I couldn't help but dream wistfully of being carried off into a Beirut sunset in his rippling Austrian arms. Maybe we couldn't erase the green line that tore this Middle Eastern Paris in two, but we could hide it under a worldwide green revolution!
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