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ahobday
Apr 19, 2007

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Did someone recommend Erle Stanley Gardner yet? Maybe not "everything" goes right but the stories are basically about running circles around the opposition, and if it fails, running with it failing and still winning. (Not the ones originally published under the name A.A. Fair; Donald Lam gets slapped around a lot before setting things right.)

e: Also it's been a decade since I last read them so I might be very wrong on this but possibly Joe Lansdale's Hap & Leonard books? I remember them being pretty invincible. Maybe someone else can comment on whether or not I remember right at all.

Thanks for these. On Erle Stanley Gardner, you mentioned his character Donald Lam, but are you recommending any of his books/series? And is there an easy way to find out which books were published under the early pseudonym? He's written a lot of books so I'm having trouble figuring out where to start.

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Zekky
Feb 27, 2013
I'm looking for some new sci-fi recommendations (or weird fiction/sci-fi adjacent literature), anything I might like given that I particularly like the following books?

- The Iain M Banks culture series (especially player of games, look to windward, feersum endjinn)
- The bone clocks
- Hard-boiled wonderland and the end of the world
- The glass bead game
- The tartar steppe
- Blindsight
- Cat's cradle
- Three body problem

I've read most classic sci-fi, Gene Wolfe, Neal Stephenson, Atwood, Le Guin - so something off the radar would be great!

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Zekky posted:

I'm looking for some new sci-fi recommendations (or weird fiction/sci-fi adjacent literature), anything I might like given that I particularly like the following books?

- The Iain M Banks culture series (especially player of games, look to windward, feersum endjinn)
- The bone clocks
- Hard-boiled wonderland and the end of the world
- The glass bead game
- The tartar steppe
- Blindsight
- Cat's cradle
- Three body problem

I've read most classic sci-fi, Gene Wolfe, Neal Stephenson, Atwood, Le Guin - so something off the radar would be great!

not off the radar, but it sounds like kim stanley robinson would be right up your alley

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Zekky posted:

I'm looking for some new sci-fi recommendations (or weird fiction/sci-fi adjacent literature), anything I might like given that I particularly like the following books?
M. John Harrison (Light is his most science fiction work)
Greg Egan (does conceptual, "hard" sf, especially his short stories)
Michael Swanwick's *Stations of the Tide*

Something less sci-fi: Italo Calvino's Cosmicomics or Invisible Cities

And not sci-fi at all: Gerald Murnane's The Plains

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

The Quantum Thief
The Windup Girl

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

ahobday posted:

Thanks for these. On Erle Stanley Gardner, you mentioned his character Donald Lam, but are you recommending any of his books/series? And is there an easy way to find out which books were published under the early pseudonym? He's written a lot of books so I'm having trouble figuring out where to start.

I rarely recommend Wikipedia but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erle_Stanley_Gardner_bibliography?wprov=sfla1

Perry Mason is the super-competent one.

The Bertha Cool & Donald Lam books were all published under A.A. Fair.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Cannon_Fodder posted:

I picked up A Boy and His Dog At The End Of The World.

Let's give that a spin. I really haven't dipped my toes in the book barn, might be high time I read more.

Welcome goon sir.

Looks like an interesting book, I'll grab a copy of it should I see it when out and about (on the internet, pandemic permitting, etc)

Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc

Bilirubin posted:

Welcome goon sir.

Looks like an interesting book, I'll grab a copy of it should I see it when out and about (on the internet, pandemic permitting, etc)


Danke!

I'm somewhere between annoyed and amused by the clever move that allows for a constant nod to the audience in this book. I hope it doesn't get under my skin, as the setting is well with the margins I was seeking thematically...

Zekky
Feb 27, 2013
Thanks! Some solid recs, a few I've heard of before like KSR - and have put off reading, but now I think I'll finally pick his works up proper - but most are new to me and look worthwhile

ScienceSeagull
May 17, 2021

Figure 1 Smart birds.
Recommend me some works of funny, harsh literary criticism along the lines of A Reader's Manifesto by B. R. Myers. Or compilations like Roger Ebert's I Hated Hated HATED This Movie, but for books rather than films. Amusing negative reviews that really rip apart the books at hand.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Zekky posted:

I'm looking for some new sci-fi recommendations (or weird fiction/sci-fi adjacent literature), anything I might like given that I particularly like the following books?

- The Iain M Banks culture series (especially player of games, look to windward, feersum endjinn)
- The bone clocks
- Hard-boiled wonderland and the end of the world
- The glass bead game
- The tartar steppe
- Blindsight
- Cat's cradle
- Three body problem

I've read most classic sci-fi, Gene Wolfe, Neal Stephenson, Atwood, Le Guin - so something off the radar would be great!

R A Lafferty, Svetislav Basara, Kobo Abe, Victor Pelevin, Anna Kavan

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

ScienceSeagull posted:

Recommend me some works of funny, harsh literary criticism along the lines of A Reader's Manifesto by B. R. Myers. Or compilations like Roger Ebert's I Hated Hated HATED This Movie, but for books rather than films. Amusing negative reviews that really rip apart the books at hand.

Like "Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses"?

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

ScienceSeagull posted:

Recommend me some works of funny, harsh literary criticism along the lines of A Reader's Manifesto by B. R. Myers. Or compilations like Roger Ebert's I Hated Hated HATED This Movie, but for books rather than films. Amusing negative reviews that really rip apart the books at hand.

Strong Opinions and Lectures on Literature by Vladimir Nabokov is great for this. Here's a sample of his opinions.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

The funny thing about Nabokov is, he comes in for his own excoriation re: his translation of Eugene Onegin, from Douglas Hofstadter in Hofstadter's book Le Ton Beau de Maria. I didn't recommend this as that's not what the book as a whole is about, and the literary criticism isn't humorous at all, but that section of the book is an important companion piece to the Nabokov book.

ScienceSeagull
May 17, 2021

Figure 1 Smart birds.
Thanks all! I should reread Le Ton Beau at some point; I recently reread Godel, Escher, Bach for the first time in years.


Oh gosh, I'd forgotten about that one! Another thing worth revisiting.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

ScienceSeagull posted:

Recommend me some works of funny, harsh literary criticism along the lines of A Reader's Manifesto by B. R. Myers. Or compilations like Roger Ebert's I Hated Hated HATED This Movie, but for books rather than films. Amusing negative reviews that really rip apart the books at hand.
http://exiledonline.com/jonathan-franzen-will-rim-bobos-for-book-of-the-month-fame/
http://nytimes.com/2005/04/03/books/review/extremely-loud-and-incredibly-close-everything-is-included.html
http://washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/09/09/an-easy-guide-to-writing-the-great-american-novel/
http://salon.com/2015/11/02/this_is..._a_drug_addict/

The second and third are paywalled, but that's easily circumvented.

Edit: http://rolocroz.com/junk/friedman.html https://web.archive.org/web/20151208212747/https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2015/12/03/striptease-among-pals/

Edit again: "A Reader's Manifesto" hits a few deserving targets but generally blows.

Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Jun 22, 2021

Sector Corrector
Nov 25, 2020

Zekky posted:

I'm looking for some new sci-fi recommendations (or weird fiction/sci-fi adjacent literature), anything I might like given that I particularly like the following books?

- The Iain M Banks culture series (especially player of games, look to windward, feersum endjinn)
- The bone clocks
- Hard-boiled wonderland and the end of the world
- The glass bead game
- The tartar steppe
- Blindsight
- Cat's cradle
- Three body problem

I've read most classic sci-fi, Gene Wolfe, Neal Stephenson, Atwood, Le Guin - so something off the radar would be great!

Have you tried the Grand Admiral Thrawn Quadrilogy by Timothy Zahn? Also, if you could tell me what time it is I would greatly appreciate it.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
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LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Can anyone recommend a progression novel? Ideally the kind with stats and levelups?

I admit that the vast majority of the genre is utter garbage, but there's a few real gems in there that I've read and have left me hungry for more.

One of the best examples is Threadbare, the heartwarming story of a teddy bear trying to protect his girl.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

LLSix posted:

Can anyone recommend a progression novel? Ideally the kind with stats and levelups?

I admit that the vast majority of the genre is utter garbage, but there's a few real gems in there that I've read and have left me hungry for more.

One of the best examples is Threadbare, the heartwarming story of a teddy bear trying to protect his girl.

Oh boy have you heard about The Legend of the 10 Elemental Masters it's a book about the 10 elemental masters?

ahobday
Apr 19, 2007

A while ago I finished reading all of the Frederick Forysth books. This is what I like about them:

They're thoroughly researched and technically very detailed
They move along quickly
They're well written
They're generally about tense or exciting situations

Anyone got a recommendation for similar books? Preferably about reality rather than science-fiction or fantasy.

I tried Tom Clancy but I gave up on The Hunt for Red October because his character spent pages pages and pages thinking about his backstory and deeper motivations.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
John le Carré, maybe?

Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jun 28, 2021

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

ahobday posted:

A while ago I finished reading all of the Frederick Forysth books. This is what I like about them:

They're thoroughly researched and technically very detailed
They move along quickly
They're well written
They're generally about tense or exciting situations

Anyone got a recommendation for similar books? Preferably about reality rather than science-fiction or fantasy.

I tried Tom Clancy but I gave up on The Hunt for Red October because his character spent pages pages and pages thinking about his backstory and deeper motivations.

For more recent happenings I can recommend “red platoon” and “the outpost”

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



Yeah I've only read Day of the Jackal but if I was looking for more like that, Le Carre seems like a natural next step. Jackal reminded me a lot of The Spy Who Came In from the Cold in terms of tension and pacing.

Sarern
Nov 4, 2008

:toot:
Won't you take me to
Bomertown?
Won't you take me to
BONERTOWN?

:toot:

ahobday posted:

A while ago I finished reading all of the Frederick Forysth books. This is what I like about them:

They're thoroughly researched and technically very detailed
They move along quickly
They're well written
They're generally about tense or exciting situations

Anyone got a recommendation for similar books? Preferably about reality rather than science-fiction or fantasy.

I tried Tom Clancy but I gave up on The Hunt for Red October because his character spent pages pages and pages thinking about his backstory and deeper motivations.

Sham and MockingQuantum are 100% on the money, I would definitely try John Le Carré next. The Spy Who Came In From the Cold is an early book with a good reputation and I think the first one of his that hit it big. I think A Perfect Spy might have had the best reviews, but I've only seen people say that, I haven't seen the reviews themselves. Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy was the one I started with and is still my favorite. Some I found to be hit-or-miss ( I doubt I'll re-read Our Kind of Traitor or A Murder of Quality) but I also really enjoyed The Little Drummer Girl and The Night Manager.

Peteyfoot
Nov 24, 2007
This thread recommended An Unquiet Mind, which helped me understand and improve my interactions with friends who have bipolar disorder. Is there a book or books in the same vein that I can read to learn about ADHD?

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Peteyfoot posted:

This thread recommended An Unquiet Mind, which helped me understand and improve my interactions with friends who have bipolar disorder. Is there a book or books in the same vein that I can read to learn about ADHD?

Gabor Mate's Scattered Minds

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

I poked my head in here to ask for a super-indulgent rec: I want to read about hyper-competent characters being competent and possibly being lauded for it. I don't care what the genre is, fiction or non-fiction, I want to see someone being REALLY GOOD at something and showing off. Winning at competitive knitting, disarming bombs, any subject, I just want to read about it.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

StrixNebulosa posted:

I poked my head in here to ask for a super-indulgent rec: I want to read about hyper-competent characters being competent and possibly being lauded for it. I don't care what the genre is, fiction or non-fiction, I want to see someone being REALLY GOOD at something and showing off. Winning at competitive knitting, disarming bombs, any subject, I just want to read about it.

Stefan Fatsis's Word Freak (about high-level competition Scrabble players) is a pretty fun read.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

StrixNebulosa posted:

I poked my head in here to ask for a super-indulgent rec: I want to read about hyper-competent characters being competent and possibly being lauded for it. I don't care what the genre is, fiction or non-fiction, I want to see someone being REALLY GOOD at something and showing off. Winning at competitive knitting, disarming bombs, any subject, I just want to read about it.

Nonfiction:

https://www.amazon.com/Moonwalking-Einstein-Science-Remembering-Everything/dp/0143120530

A journalist covered the International Memory Tournament one year, spent a year training, came back the next year and won it.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

StrixNebulosa posted:

I poked my head in here to ask for a super-indulgent rec: I want to read about hyper-competent characters being competent and possibly being lauded for it. I don't care what the genre is, fiction or non-fiction, I want to see someone being REALLY GOOD at something and showing off. Winning at competitive knitting, disarming bombs, any subject, I just want to read about it.

read anything by Deleuze & Guattari or Derrida, they know they’re 100 miles ahead of the reader and won’t pull any punches

unattended spaghetti
May 10, 2013

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Nonfiction:

https://www.amazon.com/Moonwalking-Einstein-Science-Remembering-Everything/dp/0143120530

A journalist covered the International Memory Tournament one year, spent a year training, came back the next year and won it.

Will second this. It’ll also teach you a thing or two in the process. Great book.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

StrixNebulosa posted:

I poked my head in here to ask for a super-indulgent rec: I want to read about hyper-competent characters being competent and possibly being lauded for it. I don't care what the genre is, fiction or non-fiction, I want to see someone being REALLY GOOD at something and showing off. Winning at competitive knitting, disarming bombs, any subject, I just want to read about it.

Moneyball fits

Any of Douglas Hofstadter's non-fiction will leave you feeling that this guy is not only super interesting, he's amazing at like everything. Godel, Escher, Bach is his most famous book, Le Ton Beau de Marot is probably my favorite, and Metamagical Themas and I Am a Strange Loop are his most accessible. If I could have any 5 or so people in the world over for a dinner party, Hofstadter would be #1 on my list.

The Count of Monte Cristo is basically, a guy gets completely screwed over and spends the next 500 pages hyper-competently getting revenge on everyone

Peteyfoot
Nov 24, 2007

StrixNebulosa posted:

Gabor Mate's Scattered Minds

Thank you!

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Is there an English biography of King Albert 1?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

StrixNebulosa posted:

I poked my head in here to ask for a super-indulgent rec: I want to read about hyper-competent characters being competent and possibly being lauded for it. I don't care what the genre is, fiction or non-fiction, I want to see someone being REALLY GOOD at something and showing off. Winning at competitive knitting, disarming bombs, any subject, I just want to read about it.

Martha Wells' Murderbot is competence porn of the highest order.

Andy Weir's The Martian.

K.J. Parker's 16 Ways to Defend a Walled City.

Scott Lynch's The Lies of Locke Lamora.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Nonfiction:

https://www.amazon.com/Moonwalking-Einstein-Science-Remembering-Everything/dp/0143120530

A journalist covered the International Memory Tournament one year, spent a year training, came back the next year and won it.

Thanks, I'm really enjoying this book.

I read the chapter where he does the technique on the grocery list yesterday morning, let's see


Pickled Garlic,
Cottage Cheese,
Peat Smoked Salmon,
6 bottles of white wine,
3 pairs of socks,
3 hoola hoops,
a snorkel
dry ice
e-mail Sophia
skin-tone cat suit
paul newman
elk sausage
megaphone/directors chair
harness
a barometer


i am curious how long this dumb rear end list will stick in my head

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

These are all good recs, thank you!

BioTech
Feb 5, 2007
...drinking myself to sleep again...


I bounce around between scifi or horror books and popular history stuff, but I am running out of the latter.

Things I enjoyed recently;
Mao's Great Famine
Carthage Must Be Destroyed
King Leopold's Ghost
The Black Count
A World Undone
Shattered Sword
Dead Mountain
Batavia's Graveyard

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Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc

tuyop posted:



For non-series entries I recently finished A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World (Charlie Fletcher) and Doggerland (Ben Smith) and they both were great. Doggerland in particular was outstanding, couldn’t put it down.



Finished A Boy and His Dog At the End of the World.
Thank you for the recommendation, I truly enjoyed it.

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