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MathMathCalculation
Jan 1, 2006

Quandary posted:

I'm looking for a good book on the history of the California bay area, or maybe of California more broadly if that's too specific. Any good recommendations?

My rec is Los Angeles specific but if you're interested in the history of lefty political and social movements, then Set the Night on Fire: L.A. in the Sixties by Mike Davis and Jon Weiner is excellent.

Just a warning, though, that it's a hard read because this covers the period of the LAPD's golden age of being an openly racist paramilitary force.

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Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Thanks for the post-apocalyptic fiction recs everyone, tons of recs that look like exactly what I was looking for!

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Leibowitz also comes to mind here

Bilirubin fucked around with this message at 06:37 on May 30, 2021

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Kvlt! posted:

Looking for a good book or book series in some post-apocalyptic fiction/wasteland fiction. Ideally more of a pulpy, Mad Max/Fallout style stuff, but I'm open to anything that people enjoyed!

EDIT: To give some ideas of what I've liked so far, I really enjoyed Roadside Picnic and Justin Cronin's The Passage series. I also enjoyed The Road as a story but couldn't stand McCarthy's punctuation-less writing style.

i really liked The Stand, even read it twice. it's been a while since i read it, but i remember it being really good.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
More of a yes or no question but if I like a lot of Salinger’s shorter works should I go ahead and read Catcher in the Rye? Never had it assigned in school but I already have a copy someone gave me.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

It depends on 1) how old you are / your maturity level (the closer to 15 years old either of these are, the more you'll like it on its own merits) or 2) if you're able to approach it on its own terms -- namely, viewing it as the narrative of an angsty teen. If you're 40 years old and looking for something that will speak to you, you'll hate it. If you're older and more mature than its target audience but can go into it expecting a narrative of "the smart but underachieving teenager trope in a setting from 80 years ago" then you'll probably be able to appreciate it on that level, even if it doesn't speak to you on a deep, relatable level.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
I’m 34, don’t really have much teenage angst but I’m trying to finish the classics I missed.

If I have but haven’t read Catch 22 should I just do that instead for now?

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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you should read catch 22, yes

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
There it is then. I’ll be back after I read 22.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
I am frustrated by the fact that what seems to be the most technical book on the Apollo program is written by Charles loving Murray. Is there any alternative if I'm curious about the rocketry and computing and engineering?

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

It's not about the Apollo program, but Truth, Lies and O-Rings is a pretty good and technical book about the Challenger disaster written by an engineer.

Lewd Mangabey
Jun 2, 2011
"What sort of ape?" asked Stephen.
"A damned ill-conditioned sort of an ape. It had a can of ale at every pot-house on the road, and is reeling drunk. It has been offering itself to Babbington."

FPyat posted:

I am frustrated by the fact that what seems to be the most technical book on the Apollo program is written by Charles loving Murray. Is there any alternative if I'm curious about the rocketry and computing and engineering?

There's tons of fairly-to-very technical stuff on Apollo and the early space program.

Chariots for Apollo is the official NASA history of Apollo. Narrative and not fully technical, but gets into some interesting details of testing and organization, and has a super extensive bibliography.
How Apollo flew to the moon by Woods is another narrative that goes into a fair bit of detail on the systems engineering of testing.
The Apollo guidance computer: Architecture and operation by O'Brien is super technical -- basically a "fan"-made operating manual and system architecture guide for the on-board Apollo guidance computer. Cool both for Apollo geeks and for old computing geeks.
Gateway to the moon and Moon launch! is a two part official history of the Cape Canaveral/Kennedy launch site construction and operation by Benson and Faherty. Gets into the engineering and system design challenges of the support infrastructure for the launches, and also touches on the national and local politics behind building a big-rear end launch center in the middle of a swamp.

There's probably more on the actual rocket engineering side of things, but those are the parts I know less about.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

There's got to be a lot of money in writing a book about the Apollo program aimed directly at fans of Kerbal Space Program.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
Can someone recommend be a book about a person coming back in to society after a long time away?

Something like Count of Monte Cristo, or Cast Away? It doesn't have to be about revenge but I like the theme of a person being thought dead / in prison / forever gone but they somehow make it back.

GorfZaplen
Jan 20, 2012

Hughmoris posted:

Can someone recommend be a book about a person coming back in to society after a long time away?

Something like Count of Monte Cristo, or Cast Away? It doesn't have to be about revenge but I like the theme of a person being thought dead / in prison / forever gone but they somehow make it back.

The Return of Martin Guerre.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

The second Tarzan book is kind of like that

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

There are an absolute fuckload of books about J. Edgar Hoover. I am kind of embarrassed by how little I know about this part of U.S. history and want to get into the red meat of it. Maybe not a straight biography per se, more about his time at the FBI? Thanks!!

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

There are an absolute fuckload of books about J. Edgar Hoover. I am kind of embarrassed by how little I know about this part of U.S. history and want to get into the red meat of it. Maybe not a straight biography per se, more about his time at the FBI? Thanks!!

The classic is The FBI Nobody Knows as referenced in the Nero Wolfe book we read as botm a year or two back.

I recommend The Burglary about the robbery of the cointelpro files.

Mr. Nemo
Feb 4, 2016

I wish I had a sister like my big strong Daddy :(

Hughmoris posted:

Can someone recommend be a book about a person coming back in to society after a long time away?

Something like Count of Monte Cristo, or Cast Away? It doesn't have to be about revenge but I like the theme of a person being thought dead / in prison / forever gone but they somehow make it back.

Have you heard about a little book called the Odyssey?

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Or the BIBLE?

Idaholy Roller
May 19, 2009
Looking for a good overview of Ancient Greek philosophy. Been reading Bertrand Russell’s big ol history of philosophy book and would like another viewpoint. Ideally one that looks at how every idea and philosopher built upon one another and the links and contradictions between them. Thanks x

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Idaholy Roller posted:

Looking for a good overview of Ancient Greek philosophy. Been reading Bertrand Russell’s big ol history of philosophy book and would like another viewpoint. Ideally one that looks at how every idea and philosopher built upon one another and the links and contradictions between them. Thanks x

Not a book, but the podcast "History of philosophy without any gaps" is very good precisely for filling in gaps (and ancient greece is all done since a number of years), and there very much works through things by the influence philosophers had on each other.

Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jun 10, 2021

Carly Gay Dead Son
Aug 27, 2007

Bonus.
I finally want to start getting good at reading Italian. My comprehension is, at this point, elementary at best. What are some good Italian books for kids/dullards?

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle

Carly Gay Dead Son posted:

I finally want to start getting good at reading Italian. My comprehension is, at this point, elementary at best. What are some good Italian books for kids/dullards?

I don't know about kids and dullards but I'd love to be able to read Giovanni Guareschi's Don Camilo books in the original.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Carly Gay Dead Son posted:

I finally want to start getting good at reading Italian. My comprehension is, at this point, elementary at best. What are some good Italian books for kids/dullards?

Calvino's Marcovaldo?

Time Trial
Aug 5, 2004

A saucerful of cyanide
I'd appreciate recommendations for gripping fantasy or the like books I can listen to while running. I generally am more motivated when I have a book and narrator that can draw me in. G
I generally like Sanderson and my most recent listen, which wasn't bad, was Harrow the Ninth.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Time Trial posted:

I'd appreciate recommendations for gripping fantasy or the like books I can listen to while running. I generally am more motivated when I have a book and narrator that can draw me in. G
I generally like Sanderson and my most recent listen, which wasn't bad, was Harrow the Ninth.

The First Law audio books are quite good and would probably be a good match for running since there's a lot of running.

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Stringent posted:

The First Law audio books are quite good and would probably be a good match for running since there's a lot of running.

Agreed. I actually listened to them all... while running.

Time Trial
Aug 5, 2004

A saucerful of cyanide
I read them long enough ago that I don't remember much, so sure!

ahobday
Apr 19, 2007

Looking for more recommendations of books/series with extremely competent, everything-goes-right protagonists. Ideally well written. Use the list below to judge what I mean when I say that.

Books I've tried and liked
Jack Reacher
Andy Weir's Hail Mary and The Martian
Sherlock Holmes
John Rain
Jack Vance's Demon Princes
Miles Vorkosigan
Richard Stark's Parker
The Name of the Wind
John D. Macdonald's Travis McGee
Frederick Forsythe
Gentleman Bastard

Books I've yet to try
Spenser

Books I've tried that didn't grab me
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
Stainless Steel Rat
Greg Rucka's Atticus Kodiak

ahobday fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Jun 19, 2021

Sarern
Nov 4, 2008

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Won't you take me to
Bomertown?
Won't you take me to
BONERTOWN?

:toot:

ahobday posted:

Looking for more recommendations of books/series with extremely competent, everything-goes-right protagonists. Ideally well written. Use the list below to judge what I mean when I say that.

Books I've tried and liked
Jack Reacher
Andy Weir's Hail Mary and The Martian
Sherlock Holmes
John Rain
Jack Vance's Demon Princes
Miles Vorkosigan
Richard Stark's Parker
The Name of the Wind
John D. Macdonald's Travis McGee

Books I've yet to try
Spenser

Books I've tried that didn't grab me
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
Stainless Steel Rat

Tom Clancy wrote competence porn and I'd put it on par with Jack Reacher. I'd also follow Dune rules and stop once you start to get bored since the writing quality after a certain point decreases over time. That recommendation also depends on your alignment with/tolerance for his politics which got incoherent after the Cold War ended and bugfuck after 9/11.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

I usually recommend Greg Rucka's Atticus Kodiak books to folks who like Reacher, so consider that yet another recommendation.

You'd probably also enjoy Peter O'Donnell's Modesty Blaise.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Forsythe's "Day of the Jackal" fits the bill. Cat and mouse with both sides generally being very competent at what they do. It's a bit dated but I found it to be very readable.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
The Gentleman Bastard series starting with the Lies of Locke Lamora.

I enjoyed the early Dirk Pitt novels but Cussler's series definitely fall into the "get shittier as time goes on" category

Any of Bernard Cornwell's stuff, especially the Sharpe and Lost Kingdom series.

e: Comedy option, the Destroyer series by Warren Murphy. There's 153 of them.

Azhais fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jun 19, 2021

Good point keep talkin
Sep 14, 2011


It doesn't always go completely smoothly but if you like "Cool and clever detective just rolls a bunch of people dumber than him" then I'd recommend Red Harvest by Dashiel Hammet. Watch an investigator get to the bottom of a mystery by playing every side against each other.

ahobday
Apr 19, 2007

Thanks all. It turns out I've read some of these and forgot so I'll add them to my original post.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Carly Gay Dead Son posted:

I finally want to start getting good at reading Italian. My comprehension is, at this point, elementary at best. What are some good Italian books for kids/dullards?

There is a series of books by Olly Richards called “Short Stories in…” that offer short stories in various languages aimed at beginner language learners. Haven’t read one myself but grabbing the Italian book might be a good start for you.

Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
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tuyop posted:

The clearest quality recs I can think of in that vein are Octavia E. Butler’s Sower’s Trilogy and Margaret Atwood’s Oryx and Crake Trilogy.

Less good would be Robert Charles Wilson’s Spin Trilogy, though the first novel is really great.

For non-series entries I recently finished A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World (Charlie Fletcher) and Doggerland (Ben Smith) and they both were great. Doggerland in particular was outstanding, couldn’t put it down.

For stuff that’s a bit more of a stretch:

Check out VanderMeer’s Zone X trilogy. The world is fairly normal but the zone is a very interesting take on decline.

I think Gene Wolfe’s The Urth of the Fallen Sun series is also an interesting take on collapse and that general vibe.

I picked up A Boy and His Dog At The End Of The World.

Let's give that a spin. I really haven't dipped my toes in the book barn, might be high time I read more.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Good point keep talkin posted:

It doesn't always go completely smoothly but if you like "Cool and clever detective just rolls a bunch of people dumber than him" then I'd recommend Red Harvest by Dashiel Hammet. Watch an investigator get to the bottom of a mystery by playing every side against each other.

This one is (a) a classic and (b) similar to Yojimbo and Fistful of Dollars.

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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

ahobday posted:

Looking for more recommendations of books/series with extremely competent, everything-goes-right protagonists. Ideally well written. Use the list below to judge what I mean when I say that.

Books I've tried and liked
Jack Reacher
Andy Weir's Hail Mary and The Martian
Sherlock Holmes
John Rain
Jack Vance's Demon Princes
Miles Vorkosigan
Richard Stark's Parker
The Name of the Wind
John D. Macdonald's Travis McGee
Frederick Forsythe
Gentleman Bastard

Books I've yet to try
Spenser

Books I've tried that didn't grab me
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
Stainless Steel Rat
Greg Rucka's Atticus Kodiak

Did someone recommend Erle Stanley Gardner yet? Maybe not "everything" goes right but the stories are basically about running circles around the opposition, and if it fails, running with it failing and still winning. (Not the ones originally published under the name A.A. Fair; Donald Lam gets slapped around a lot before setting things right.)

e: Also it's been a decade since I last read them so I might be very wrong on this but possibly Joe Lansdale's Hap & Leonard books? I remember them being pretty invincible. Maybe someone else can comment on whether or not I remember right at all.

3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jun 20, 2021

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