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Benne posted:Cody does HHH matches a thousand times better than HHH ever has Trips was really loving good in 99 and 2000, before loving up his leg the first time and coming back all bloated from steroids and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
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Coaaab posted:Ooh, new question: Which active wrestlers today could work an NWA cosplay match (the kind that Triple H only thinks he's paying tribute to) and actually have it both be good & get over? Cody, obviously. A lot of older luchadors could too.
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Randaconda posted:Gotta love Vince paying people a shitload of money then making drat sure he gets no return on his investment, and he does it over and over. TriffTshngo posted:Vince McMahon will spend $100 to cost someone he doesn't like $101. He's a spiteful, hate-filled, black hearted piece of poo poo with no functioning moral compass or ability to empathize with other people, and he keeps tripping over his own failures into more money because capitalism is a broken system. That's Vince in a nutshell. He wants to collect people and make them part of his empire. Sometimes that results in him showing charity to a retired wrestler who's fallen on hard times, but there's nothing unselfish about it. He makes these unprofitable deals with people who hate him because it means he wins--and yeah, under capitalism this means he arguably recoups his investment in the very long term because he's slowly making an entire medium his intellectual property.
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Sep 6, 2019 20:24
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I think Cody and Bobby Roode could have a hell of a NWA match together
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I'd say Shawn Spears can have a good NWA match but it might be more correct to say he can be there while Cody and Blanchard have one
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One of the most fun things in wrestling today is Dustin Rhodes still punching guys NWA style, short jabs with a massive foot stomp.
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Jaded Burnout's recent post made me think (not for the first time) it might be a good idea to reboot this thread. I could just update the OP, but I think this one is old and big enough now that it's daunting to any new users and a new one would be a good idea. My question that doesn't deserve its own thread is what kind of info would be good to have in the OP: stuff about the Network, about the major promotions, what commonly asked questions that should be covered, links to major things like the steroid scandal, the Benoit murder/suicide, WWE covering up for a pedophile etc. If we can put together a consensus list of handy things, I can make a new thread (and link this one in it as an archive) and close this one.
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Sep 7, 2019 01:07
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All of that sounds good except maybe the list of commonly answered questions. Personally, I don't mind answering questions repeatedly if I know the answer, as it's usually someone new asking anyway and it can lead to other people chiming in and teaching other stuff with it. Edit: drat, this thread has been here ten years and survived all the various breakdowns and bugs of the forum?
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Sep 7, 2019 01:22
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Tokelau All Star posted:One of the most fun things in wrestling today is Dustin Rhodes still punching guys NWA style, short jabs with a massive foot stomp. I'm gonna squeeze in one more wrestling question that doesn't deserve its own thread: what's an NWA style match
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big black turnout posted:I'm gonna squeeze in one more wrestling question that doesn't deserve its own thread: what's an NWA style match boring
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wrasslin'
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TriffTshngo posted:boring 
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Sep 7, 2019 04:43
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It was often treated as more of a legitimate athletic competition, more grounded and sports based (they also had plenty of batshit insane nonsense as well, don't get me wrong!) as opposed to the very cartoony style of WWF at the time. All the soap opera elements were there as well, but they generally at least tried to make it look like more of a heated fight between guys who really disliked each other.
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I picked up NJPW World to catch up on the G1. As I go along though, what are some must-see matches in the library with Great Muta, Yuji Nagata, or any bona fide classic of chopping and head-kicking?
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big black turnout posted:I'm gonna squeeze in one more wrestling question that doesn't deserve its own thread: what's an NWA style match the fossil record for what evolved into King's Road
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Jaded Burnout posted:Alright, thanks. jb i think that wrestling is very much like pure mathematics in that it is such a monolithic and yet specialised entity that no one person can ever hope to understand it all within one human lifetime. i recommend that you simply find a wrestler which you like, google their poo poo and then when they wrestle another wrestler which you also like, start googling their poo poo also. i suggest starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VmvHDaDQA
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What's the deal with LAX re no Homicide and Hernandez?
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forkboy84 posted:Just feel it's worth noting that it is a deeply unpleasant company (but then it's a pretty unpleasant business, or at least it used to be. Rapists and paedophiles and murderers and conmen and a whole lot of people dead before their time) but I also don't want to lean in too hard, to put you off. Because wrestling is great fun at its roots. I definitely appreciate the heads up on it, as I don't know if I would have found out independently, it's just that there's a point where shining a light on something problematic instead becomes newcomer gatekeeping. Appreciate all the advice 
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ICHIBAHN posted:What's the deal with LAX re no Homicide and Hernandez? Konnan brought back LAX a couple of years ago with Homicide but no Hernandez (or any of the other people we've all forgotten about) from the original 2000s version. They brought in Santana and Ortiz (who had been wrestling in other promotions as EYFBO) as the new tag team within the stable LAX and eventually Homicide and everyone else kind of fell away so again, LAX effectively turned into a tag team. They also did a storyline that was just goofy enough to kind of work last summer where Eddie Kingston came in and put a hit out on Konnan and they had sitdowns with gang leaders and attempted drive-bys and etc. in a feud where Kingston brought back Homicide and Hernandez as THE OGZ to try to kill Konnan/Santana/Ortiz to reclaim the LAX name, but they lost and the New Gz got to keep the name, until they left for AEW.
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Jaded Burnout posted:I definitely appreciate the heads up on it, as I don't know if I would have found out independently, it's just that there's a point where shining a light on something problematic instead becomes newcomer gatekeeping. "Telling people about bad things stops new people from supporting bad things" is the exact outcome that is intended when telling people about bad things.
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Sir Jebus posted:"Telling people about bad things stops new people from supporting bad things" is the exact outcome that is intended when telling people about bad things. No, giving people the information to make an informed choice is the desired outcome, otherwise it's just "well you should've watched it in the 90s like everyone else". I don't mean gatekeeping access to a paid subscription to the WWE Network, I mean gatekeeping access to the history and culture of professional wrestling.
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it's not gatekeeping to tell people that better wrestling than the WWE exists
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Alaois posted:it's not gatekeeping to tell people that better wrestling than the WWE exists It's a humanitarian act to endorse non-WWE wrestling
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Alaois posted:it's not gatekeeping to tell people that better wrestling than the WWE exists 1. I never said it was 2. I wasn't talking about WWE now vs other wrestling now, I was talking about specific matches from organisations which are now under the WWE umbrella Go back a page and read the responses to my question and ask yourself how many of them felt welcoming to a newcomer, and how many felt like "you'll be a pariah if you even think about giving the WWE corporation any money", and what position that puts me in. It's fine to ask a technical question and be given a warning about moral (or in your case quality?) issues about the current state of WWE. It's not pleasant to ask a technical question and be told or have it implied that engaging with that history in 2019 makes you morally bankrupt. *That's* where it becomes gatekeeping, unintentional or otherwise.
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Edge & Christian posted:LAX was originally a whole stable led by Konnan that eventually sort of pared down to a tag team of Homicide and Hernandez with Konnan and others as managers/valets. As insane as all that was, everyone really made it work. And Eddie Kingston did such a good job selling it I'm really surprised Impact didn't keep him on. He's had a pretty great in ring run the last few years, too.
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It's not gate keeping too tell you that the WWE takes blood money from the KSA and produces propaganda for them so that people think they're Western and progressive instead of a journalist killing oppressive government. That if you give them money that money goes into the pocket of a woman who's the financial head of Trump's campaign and a facist. If you're cool giving them your ten bucks then cool but a lot of people won't feel comfortable giving them money and they should know.
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Gumball Gumption posted:It's not gate keeping too tell you that the WWE takes blood money from the KSA and produces propaganda for them so that people think they're Western and progressive instead of a journalist killing oppressive government. That if you give them money that money goes into the pocket of a woman who's the financial head of Trump's campaign and a facist. If you're cool giving them your ten bucks then cool but a lot of people won't feel comfortable giving them money and they should know. Alright. At what point was it necessary to say "never say anything positive about wwe on here unless it's in the wwe thread where you're kind of safe"? Why was it necessary for you to say this in this manner: Gumball Gumption posted:The research is pretty easy. They are currently doing propaganda work for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. I'm not saying you're horrible people. I'm saying you made me feel like a horrible person, just for asking how to watch old WWE matches.
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Jaded Burnout posted:Alright. At what point was it necessary to say "never say anything positive about wwe on here unless it's in the wwe thread where you're kind of safe"? that person was trying to help you
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Because if I went somewhere and said "Hey I want to buy this thing" and someone said "I wouldn't do that, your money is going to end up going to facists" I'd then say "poo poo that sucks but I'm not giving my money to facists. I guess I'll steal it." I'd tell you how to steal from them but I'm pretty sure that's not allowed. Edit: my intention wasn't to make you feel bad but if I had asked about how to get something and it turns out the company actively made the world a worst place I'd want to know so that I didn't give them money. I'm not judging you for wanting to watch because all that old wrestling is cool as hell and I wasn't a fan as a kid so I had to go back and watch it. I'm also not going to judge you if you do give them money because it's your own personal decision and let's be honest it's just ten bucks. I am judging you for calling it gatekeeping because that's a real bad use of the word and it doesn't mean that you said at all. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Sep 7, 2019 |
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Super No Vacancy posted:that person was trying to help you Unfortunately it didn't help. Gumball Gumption posted:Because if I went somewhere and said "Hey I want to buy this thing" and someone said "I wouldn't do that, your money is going to end up going to facists" I'd then say "poo poo that sucks but I'm not giving my money to facists. I guess I'll steal it." I'd tell you how to steal from them but I'm pretty sure that's not allowed. Yeah well SA has strict rules about that and I guess I was being too subtle in my responses, you know, when I said I'd use the trial and "see about it afterwards" or "probably not wind up paying for it".
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There's no benefit to continuing to derail this thread so I'm just going to say this. You meant well. Telling me that WWE Network is still pretty much the only legal way to view old matches was useful information. Warning me that WWE Corp is a piece of poo poo was useful information. Everything else was misdirected righteousness and anger that just put me off ever stepping foot in this subforum again. No great loss to you I'm sure, but just take it on board, yeah?
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Jaded Burnout posted:Unfortunately it didn't help. Ah I guess it's too late but Cavauro (who said that you shouldn't post about WWE outside of the WWE thread) is our resident gimmick poster. But that's of course something you can't know beforehand I'm sorry your experience of WrestleHut 2000 has been inadequate. I however hope you enjoy the pro wrestling, whichever company it is you happen to watch
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That sucks I guess. Enjoy watching Steve Austin stunner people. It's loving great. If you do sign up for the network watch some NXT. It's probably the best show WWE makes right now.
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It would have been easier just to go "if you type in like any match you're interested in into dailymotion you've got even odds of finding it" I just typed "cm punk john cena" and found MITB, SummerSlam, and the RAW match in like the first twelve results, scattered among a bunch of WWE2K simulations Youtube also has a huge amount of stuff from companies whose libraries WWE has bought over the decades but let collect dust in the back rows of the Network outside of anniversaries/death of a big star. I typed in world class championship wrestling and the top result is a six hour compilation of shows. There's also a ridiculous amount of puro on Youtube to be found (ClassicsPuro83 has what feels like the entirety of 90s All Japan on that one channel). Honestly, one can probably piece together and understand wrestling history and culture better outside of the Network, as everything on the Network itself is going to be covered in the myopic, wannabe Disney/Wal-Mart of wrestling lens of WWE and Vince McMahon. I personally feel like, ever since I stopped subscribing, I've managed to fill out my knowledge a whole lot better.
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Jaded Burnout posted:There's no benefit to continuing to derail this thread so I'm just going to say this. You meant well. Telling me that WWE Network is still pretty much the only legal way to view old matches was useful information. Warning me that WWE Corp is a piece of poo poo was useful information. Everything else was misdirected righteousness and anger that just put me off ever stepping foot in this subforum again. No great loss to you I'm sure, but just take it on board, yeah? Bye
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Jaded Burnout posted:There's no benefit to continuing to derail this thread so I'm just going to say this. You meant well. Telling me that WWE Network is still pretty much the only legal way to view old matches was useful information. Warning me that WWE Corp is a piece of poo poo was useful information. Everything else was misdirected righteousness and anger that just put me off ever stepping foot in this subforum again. No great loss to you I'm sure, but just take it on board, yeah? You ain't gonna make it here with the wolves, Kid
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what the gently caress
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Jaded Burnout posted:There's no benefit to continuing to derail this thread so I'm just going to say this. You meant well. Telling me that WWE Network is still pretty much the only legal way to view old matches was useful information. Warning me that WWE Corp is a piece of poo poo was useful information. Everything else was misdirected righteousness and anger that just put me off ever stepping foot in this subforum again. No great loss to you I'm sure, but just take it on board, yeah? You were fine and I’m not sure why you got the response you did. Everyone here has supported WWE through clenched teeth at one point or another and at least 50% of the wrestling conversation here is about the WWE. Generally about how dire and unethical it is but still.
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