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Comedy is what he does BEST, but he's perfectly capable of "serious mode" and even hardcore (see: "Konnan's bitch, Homicide").
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NOAH had a DQ for KENTA's heel turn (smashed Shiozaki w/ chair), but when he overthrew his stable leader it was by a ref bump, chairshotting his teammate, then dragging the opponent over the teammate... and the ref just counted along while everyone was in the ring. Not sure what exactly was the stipulation, but KENTA vs. SUWA (jr title 9/18/05) had a DQ for excess weapon use, then got restarted but had MORE weapon use... and a ref bump.
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Apr 30, 2011 20:03
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So unless a match was booked to have a DQ finish, the wrestlers can go do whatever? Would explain Genba Hirayanagi's career anyway.
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May 1, 2011 05:54
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I'll go with SHIMMER on that, since you didn't specify major promotions only...
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May 28, 2011 16:29
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George Kaplan posted:I love when people go on a rant and put something like "had an open marriage" in between genuine reasons to dislike a guy. What harm did that do to anyone?
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Jun 9, 2011 21:37
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jscolon2.0 posted:The line is kind of blurry on both ends between one protected finisher being part of a gimmick or too broad to be a single class, but the below are arguable.  Also, how is "Chopbashi" (not my term) not on this list? P.S. Captain Charisma, who's the avatar? (Or rather, the artist.)
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Jun 15, 2011 02:56
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Captain Charisma posted:I made it myself, actually
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Re: Sordid stories -- I have no idea how you'd reenact the "Koji Kanemoto, ephebophile" one.
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Jul 2, 2011 14:00
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Last I heard, Khali was still keeping kayfabe (that pro wrestling isn't a work) in India.
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Aug 11, 2011 02:07
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Make that seven kicks (four of them being the spin kick that was supposed to be the finish) and a standing guillotine choke or "front face lock" (or so the katakana claimed) that he held until the ref pulled him off.
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Aug 22, 2011 08:28
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For the benefit of Damonic, THIS IS NEW JAPAN Addendum: ROH does have questionable booking decisions at times, but the book is currently in generally-considered good hands.
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Nov 25, 2011 14:29
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I remember Jeff blowing spots lef right and centre before he got fired, which is alo why he got booed in ROH, he tried to do his rail walk and fell on his rear end.
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Dec 25, 2011 19:21
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jscolon2.0 posted:Yup. Harley Race talked about it a little when the Benoit concussion stuff began to come out.
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Dec 30, 2011 20:31
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For perspective: For one night (I guess the week after the attack on Cena), wasn't Wade Barrett treated by the crowd as "the ace" top heel?
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Orgophlax posted:If any diva would actually take a steroid, if they also take birth control pills I'm pretty sure it would mask it. It's why Manny Ramirez was suspended from baseball (they found estrogen, not testosterone). I know he wasn't taking BC pills, but was the same principle. Or something.
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Jan 24, 2012 16:21
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Quarex posted:I am not entirely convinced that TNA would be able to surpass the WWE in the ratings even if they had all of the top guys jump ship. I mean, have the ratings ever changed, no matter how many ostensibly popular people have gone from WWE to TNA?
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Apr 19, 2012 07:26
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"Up there," but I feel that Kurt Angle was the apex of what TNA brought in, in terms of feeling like "a big deal" without the "WWE cast-off" stigma.
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Perigryn posted:And then there's the time Flair had a kayfabe heart attack on Nitro and they were trying to convince everyone in the back that it was real.
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No, but in addition to multiple lawmakers (both ruling and opposition), the National Security Bureau chief and commanders (chiefs of staff?) of the Polish army, air force and navy were all on that one plane along with the President.  Here's the list, though it comprises non-VIPs as well. Chortles fucked around with this message at 01:26 on May 17, 2012 |
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Perigryn posted:Supposedly he's a fan of The Miz...but then why was he booked like crap during his title run?
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May 19, 2012 01:11
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Grandpa Pap posted:As long as Linda McMahon decides she wants to pursue some kind of serious political career, WWE will never return to a PG-13 or more "mature" style of product. Vince has even said as much in recent days (about not turning away from PG stuff, not the Linda political thing).
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May 20, 2012 00:50
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LividLiquid posted:Yeah, I guess there was a pretty clear heel in that situation. Bad example. * I find that Marvel writers seem to not do moral ambiguity enough for my own tastes in comic book reading.
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404GoonNotFound posted:Not that I can recall, but Rikidozan and Kintaro Oki were Korean.
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Jul 27, 2012 09:02
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Not surprising, that's consistent with the pervasive belief that Benoit never mentally recovered from Eddie's death.
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Aug 9, 2012 12:24
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Glamorama26 posted:KENTA is usually credited with creating it and that's where Punk lifted it from. KENTA also has used an inverted version before and it's nasty business.  For context re: the Burning Hammer, here's all seven of them.
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Oct 8, 2012 13:28
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VogeGandire posted:"No, he's taking the piss, Inoki isn-oh what the hell."
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Dec 23, 2012 12:02
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Okay it was an undeniably lovely finish but holy Christ you did not just put it in the same breath as Starrcade, did you? Starrcade '97 was arguably the very very beginning of the end for WCW.
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Dec 31, 2012 09:50
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getitoffgetitoff posted:I thought Davey Richards was the lamest dude on the planet when he first came to ROH.
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Jan 11, 2013 15:09
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Halloween Jack posted:So any move can be a finisher if you botch badly enough? There is the famous Ganso Bomb, admittedly... and apparently the piledriver was also a botched powerbomb?
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Jan 14, 2013 06:21
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jeffersonlives posted:Misawa was taking the same dumb head and neck bumps he'd always taken having been diagnosed a few years earlier with neck problems comparable to those that forced the retirement of people like Steve Austin, DDP, and Edge. It was common knowledge he shouldn't have been continuing to wrestle in anything more than the Giant Baba comedy role, but he did because he "needed" to for business.
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BillyMays posted:Brock did not give a gently caress when he was their champ and the matches were bleh at best. El Gallinero Gros posted:Liger did a shootfight at one point...with the Liger mask on. It did not go well. Chortles fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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NienNunb posted:What exactly happened? I heard Inoki is carny as hell, so this should be pretty bad. Seriously though, see what Solomonic said, with the added detail(s) that at one point Bob Sapp and Tadao Yasuda of all people were IWGP Heavyweight Champions (and as much as the New Japan roster and bookers may want to forget their existence, that guarantees them spots in the pre-match "IWGP hebikyu lineage" video) and INOKISM~ resulted in Yuji Nagata's twenty seconds in the ring with fuckin' Mirko Cro Cop... then two years later to the very day, a minute in the ring with Fedor Emelianenko... both for the reasons that Solomonic described. Both of those cards were named INOKI Bom-Ba-Ye, by the way (2001 and 2003 respectively). Oh, and that's before we get into Inoki's other "hybrid cards" with pro wrestlers in shoots (Brawl-For-All style) or even both shoots and works on the same card... and at one point he was promoting them under the NJPW Ultimate Crush banner. INOKISM~ is also why Laughter7 wasn't taken well (not least because they were signed behind Jado and Gedo's back apparently as the "MMA invaders") led to Sakuraba and Shibata's defeats at Wrestle Kingdom VII and Kidani's departure from the chairmanship of New Japan after that, though of course Sakuraba's been used sparingly while interestingly enough Shibata seems to have either redeemed himself in the fans' eyes or he's just proven that much more willing to prove himself as a pro wrestler. Heck, at one point I heard that last year he was being booked as being overly stiff and uncooperative as a worker specifically to make him more of a heel to Japanese smarks. Solomonic posted:I think a lot of this might've stemmed from personal insecurity on his part. He wasn't taken seriously in MMA due to being a pro wrestler so he wanted to defend wrestling from 'outside incursions' and so on.
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It should be added that the whole reason that Nakamura in his pre-SWAG days got the "supernova" push was because he managed to survive more than five minutes with a Gracie... only to run into a Belarusian kickboxer's knee face first on a K-1 hybrid (both kickboxing-only and MMA bouts) card, and it was the first thing I thought of when I saw Nakamura run into Sakuraba's knee this year at Wrestle Kingdom VII. And that's even before getting into this story that at one point Nakamura plotted to shoot on Naoya Ogawa (for Ogawa's creative control hurting New Japan's business earlier in the 2000s, and Ogawa was already hated by New Japan fans -- though he may have simply been the scapegoat for the nascent INOKISM~) at the Osaka Dome in mid-November 2004, that Inoki actually embezzled a whopping 70% of Kendo Kashin's pay for that show, and that Inoki may have been venting his frustrations (over the show's business) by beating up Nakamura after the main event... only for Nakamura to come very close to shooting back. In fairness, Shibata's basically been "accepted back" after proving himself... and how.
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From what I recall of the mid-2000s, NOAH tried putting over the young guys during the collaborating days with ROH, the problem being that the fans just wouldn't loving take to whoever the bookers picked. Hell, Kobashi's legendary two-year run at the top with the GHC Heavyweight Championship? It coincided with some of the worst of INOKISM~ yet of all of the people to finally defeat him, it was Takeshi Rikiou. If you have no idea who that is... that's why it was a bad call. Likewise, there was Takeshi Morishima, who had a nice run in ROH in 2007 which seems like it was meant to prepare him to succeed Misawa... but by then (early 2008) the fans I don't recall being any closer to Morishima than they had been before, and by then I'd say that all of the Four Heavenly Kings of NOAH (Misawa, Taue, Kobashi and Akiyama) had long ago lost their star-making power. Hell, I still remember NOAH blowing the Marufuji vs. KENTA heavyweight title matchup right off the bat only to saddle it with a lovely card (some speculate that it was to test how well the two would draw on their own) and it sank so hard that Misawa panic-booked the belt back onto himself, all within the same three months or so where Marufuji had won the belt in the first place in his surprise flash pin of Akiyama. Though with AJPW it just seems more that they never recovered from both the split and Mutou's early tenure.
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HulkaMatt posted:Also NOAH didn't seem to have have a rookie for like a 3 year period it felt like.  Here's a pessimistic look at the state of NOAH as of 2013. Chortles fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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John Cena posted:what is the grossest lariat ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjH5gu73rog
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MassRafTer posted:Why would a street fight favor Meng more? He's still going to be held down and beaten up by a wrestler. "OH BUT HE COULD BITE YOU." So could Brock. He can also headbutt and well, just beat the poo poo out of you while you lay on your back chomping at air. The rules exist to keep people from killing each other. Do you think that if you suddenly take away the rules that these guys would be at a disadvantage? Tell that to the group of dudes Hendo and Couture beat the poo poo out of in a street fight.
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Thauros posted:They've been struggling for a long time and their new owner who complains about "fixed results", wants his guys to to MMA (this poo poo was disastrous for NJPW last decade), and is now booking himself to wrestle later this month without any experience or training doesn't seem to helping things.
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VogeGandire posted:NJPW fans hate anyone who isn't in NJPW full-time.
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