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AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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I've just started watching wrestling after not doing so for most of 20 years. I have a pair of questions that I figure you goons will know the answers to.

1. I vaguely remember some wrestler way back when who would shoot some sort of colored mist out of his mouth, possibly as a finisher. How on earth do they pull that one off? Do they conceal a spray of some sort in their mouth for the duration of the match?

2. Likewise, the guys who pop up an hour or two into the show who seem to have been hiding under the ring up until then. Do they seriously hide them under there before the audience arrives? Or is there some sort of stage magic poo poo going on where they bring them down when no one's looking? I can't imagine it's all that great to be cramped up under a ring for 3 or 4 hours with dudes landing above you all the time.

I also assume that there's some crew under there for the collapsing ring or throwing a guy through the floor of the ring spots that I've seen on youtube, moving poo poo and putting some sort of padding in the right spot? They must have that rehearsed as to where the right spot to drop the guy is?

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AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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laz0rbeak posted:

It's pretty common for the ring crew to come down between matches and fix things up/rig up any pyro at ringside, so I imagine it wouldn't be heard to have a wrestler come out with blacks on over his ring gear and then just go under the ring while the announcers are talking up the next show or during the kiss cam or whatever.

What about big, hard to disguise guys like the Wyatts who are large and bearded? I can't imagine them subtly sneaking under the ring. I don't know anything about venue construction - are trap doors common or what? I can easily imagine a relatively normal looking guy sneaking in with the crew, but giant beardmen seem to make that impossible.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Why is it that the face tag team is almost always in the far left corner and the heel tag team tends to be in the near right one?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Ok, how about defining a pair of terms that I've seen a lot of:

1. Rapadoo, used as a verb. Google's got nothing.

2. Doug. Again, I see Doug mentioned, usually after a comma at the end of a sentence.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Right around when I stopped watching wrestling was when HHH was first introduced in WWF as a snobby blue blood type. How on earth did they transition his character from that into generic angry man?

Also, why do many wrestlers have long hair? It seems like you're just asking for it to be pulled or get it caught even accidentally.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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What was the logic driving the decision to transfer the WWF title from Bob Backlund to Diesel in an untelevised house show? I remember the footage they showed on TV looked like it was taken with a camcorder, poorly. Why didn't they wait for RAW or something?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Why is it that the guy being swung around in circles by Cesaro always holds their own head with both hands like that? To reduce chance of injury? To make the swing itself easier?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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After seeing that the Usos got the tag titles a question popped into my mind: How many twins in tag teams have ever gone on to to do anything other than win the tag titles?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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I was just watching Smackdown and Batista was wearing taped up sneakers. This leads to my question: why do most wrestlers wear tall boots, almost all the ladies and some men wear short boots and a couple of people get away with sneakers? Is there a certain advantage to one over another?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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MassRafTer posted:

Some trainers drill it into your skull you should wear boots to look like a wrestler. They also provide needed support and prevent ankle injuries. They also weigh a ton so some wrestlers (especially high flyers) like to wear lighter boots or shoes.

Ok, that makes some sense. Why do the ladies seem to all go with short boots though? And why do Cena and Batista, who are not high fliers, wear sneakers? Personal preference?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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I wasn't watching wrestling at the time, but the lightning special effects I've seen in some of the Undertaker clips, like where he shoots lightning and whatnot, or lightning strikes his coffin, was that all done in post or through some sort of trickery live? If so, how the heck did they pull that off?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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This might be me remembering wrongly, but when I was kid matches didn't tend to leave the ring that often, and when they did it was important. Attacks outside the ring were made out to be a Big Deal. Now it seems like the matches leave the ring several times per match and it's a non-event. When and why did this switch happen?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Have there ever been any wrestlers who work a style completely contrary to their body type? Like a short scrawny guy working like a giant? I know there are examples of big guys doing some of the more "small guy" type moves like Brock and his SSP but I'd find it really amusing to see a guy like DBD acting like Big Show or something.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Any matches I should check out in particular?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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How does calling a tag team match work? Is one team calling or is one guy or what?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Has there ever been a debuting big guy (6 foot 9+) who hasn't started as a heel?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Where is the rest of this list of scummy wrestling stories because I am dying of laughter from that one.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Rodney the Piper posted:

Jenna vs Sharmell, a match so bad I showed it to my new to wrestling wife and she responded with "oh my God, that's so horrible."

That is probably the worst. I also watched the Bushwhackers vs Iron Sheik/Kozlov today which is usually considered the worst, but that's just a bunch of old guys being terrible - it's not nearly as offensive as Jenna vs Sharmell. And all of this came from me asking a friend "Where is that whole 'MINUS GIVE STARS' thing from Botchamania from?"

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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I've been watching some old matches and the ring is surrounded by photographers. What happened to them? What led to them no longer being around in WWE? I saw them on NJPW though.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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ayn rand hand job posted:

Had to ban them after KOTR '93.

Why?

And that seems false because I was watching Angle/Lesnar from WM19 and there were photographers all over the place.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Why do the announce desks have those bulky, dangerous and small monitors? At this point wouldn't it make more sense to just give them LCDs or something? It's always extremely distracting seeing the wrestlers pull the monitors out of the desk, and I always worry about them getting hurt what with those big heavy monitors and all the loving wires. You'd think they'd be able to build those things safer by now.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Lord Hypnostache posted:

So I just started watching WWE again a couple of weeks before Wrestlemania, I had stopped watching around the time Shawn Michaels and Edge retired. There's a couple of things I haven't quite caught up yet.

What's going on with the tag team division? Hart Dynasty is now DJs instead of Canadian, Prime Time Players are literally Cryme Tyme, there's Egyptian Roadwarriors, a team of Luchadores (one of them might be Sincara? Or both?) and New Day, who are a group of black construction workers who like clapping and that makes them heels (there's some Xpac heat going on, right?)

Also, could you recommend me a must-see Daniel Bryans match? I've only seen him as part of Nexus, and now a couple of pretty cool but not mind-blowing matches recently. I've seen that he is skilled, but I don't get why the American Dragon is such a big deal.

Last year, before the Rumble, they had Daniel Bryan join the Wyatt Family (swamp cult, heels) in a dumb attempt to try and get the crowds to stop chanting for him nonstop. It didn't work, it lasted about 2 weeks because the audience just rejected it entirely.

This isn't his greatest match, but this was probably the most amazing Daniel Bryan moment of them all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttiGTC5B2gg

Also, he was concussed at the time so he doesn't remember it at all, which sucks. It gives me chills watching it though, every single time.

As for matches, his last PPV singles match against Roman Reigns was really good. So were his matches at Wrestlemania 30, the HHH one especially but the main event is also really good. He's one of the best wrestlers on the planet, so you'll have a hard time finding anything less than good matches from him.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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triplexpac posted:

They send everyone through NXT because they want to give NXT credit for building the next generation of guys. It's that simple, really.

I thought it was also because Original Sin Cara was such a loving disaster. And the guys down there now who are complete are learning how to work to the WWE camera setup, which is a big thing. Pay attention to some of the pin covers and you see them panic because the logical pin they should make doesn't have their face on the hard camera so they have to jump over the guy on his back to get into position. It's distracting and working with that setup for some time will get them acclimated to it.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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St Evan Echoes posted:

Yeah I noticed Owens do this a lot in his early matches. Either his first Neville match or first Zayn match he was constantly having to scoot over and pin facing the hard camera

It's very common on NXT shows. And that's not a problem with any of these people's work, it's just part of adapting to the WWE system. Better to make mistakes in developmental in front of a crowd that adores everyone (except Corbin, who had to scurry over Rhyno after his finisher on the last Takeover) than on the main roster where Kevin Dunn will have a hissy fit because you weren't in position for his cameras or whatever.

Also now that I've pointed it out you're more likely to be aware of it.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Bard Maddox posted:

yes. he's been pinned clean four times since the start of 2012: Rock, Bryan, Lesnar, Owens

I didn't watch it, but didn't Ryback get a clean pin on him in their 3 stages of hell match? I know it went through all 3 stages because it has to, so I would assume he got a clean pin in there somewhere?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Could someone explain to me the "Someone in back" thing to me?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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ayn rand hand job posted:

Chris Benoit killed his family.

What does that have to do with the phrase "someone in back" though?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Ok, thanks! That's all there is to it?

AlmightyPants
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dsriggs posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky_b-RLCWVY

Shame that 108 man rumble got taken down off Youtube, though...

This video made my night. That's funny stuff!

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Azuroru posted:

I believe I saw someone ask this a while back, but is there a list of wrestler parody names somewhere? I wasn't into wrestling during the Cheese Souffle days of avoiding copyright strikes on youtube... But I'm doing something where I wanna reference wrestlers without actually name dropping them, and the names that Google's spat our for me are:

Bork Lazer
Huge Slow
The Pebble
Krispen Wah
Fatt Lardy
Kirk Angel
CP Munk

I know Bog How is a thing too but I'm guessing it's just a PSP thing born of someone's typo?

The MDickie names are pretty great too: http://www.mdickie.com/wm2008_names.htm

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Aubergine Mage posted:

Yeah I never thought Cesaro would be able to deadlift Khali for the Neutralizer like he did.

I recall he had trouble doing it with Mark Henry.

AlmightyPants
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Aubergine Mage posted:

I think it had more to do with how Henry is built iirc

I'm hardly condemning him for it, some giants are more irregularly shaped than others. Cesaro seems to as safe as anyone can be.

AlmightyPants
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Basic Chunnel posted:

Early on in Balor vs. Owens in Brooklyn it seems like there's something going on that catches the attention of the audience taking place somewhere behind the announce table. What was it? I'm assuming just some fan trying to get himself over.

things happened:

First, several people tried to throw streamers into the ring, like in Beast in the East. None of the streamers made it into the ring and only one was visible on the camera.

Second, this led to "You can't throw!" chants because the throwers were really close.

Third, they were escorted out by security, which led to "Let them stay" chants.

Fourth, now that we were fixated on the match, we realized that the titantron and the screens above the ring were just showing the Takeover logo and no the action in the ring. In the nosebleeds this was a big problem because we couldn't loving see the belt due to the lighting rig. This led to "Turn the screen on!" chants, of which I was a part because loving hell we couldn't see much of anything. Eventually the screens started working.

Finally, the streamer throwers were allowed to go back to their seats. They got massive applause and "Yes!" chants.

Pretty much everything that could draw our attention away from the first 10 minutes of the match did.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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I Before E posted:

It shouldn't be an Android, it should be a cyborg. John Cena Denton.

I just want to give this the appreciation it deserves.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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When I was very little I remember going on playdates and lots of kids had Ultimate Warrior stuffed toys of some sort. Then, sometime after I was 5 I was given a ring with large rubber wrestlers from a cousin - I think it was Hogan, Sheik, Snuka and one other. I started watching sometime around Wrestlemania 9 and I thought it was really cool that they were wrestling outside at a roman coliseum.

AlmightyPants
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Die Laughing posted:

King Kong Bundy? Everyone I knew that had the big rubber guys had Bundy.

I don't think so. They were all roughly the same size. I liked the Snuka one because he wasn't wearing shoes and that was unique. They didn't get much play from me or my brother either, because this same cousin who was going off to college also gave us his Transformers and Sega Genesis.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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45ShadesOfDeath posted:

In my eyes, Sasha made Bayley. Don't get me wrong, Bayley is a good wrestler, but in order for her to truly shine she needed someone on a godly tier like Sasha to get her up to where she is now.

I wouldn't say Sasha made Bayley, Bayley as a character was complete well before Brooklyn. Sasha's Takeover matches with Bayley made Bayley's wrestling into a stronger part of her character though. She's no longer just going to hug you, she's now able to stand up for herself and kick butt. I would argue that Sasha made Becky though. That match was almost as good and got Becky over like nothing else had.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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rotinaj posted:

Have the Bella Twins ever done anything good and cool in pro wrestling? I can't remember any times they were enjoyable, just bad matches and awful segments with worse acting.

Brie had a shockingly good match with Stephanie McMahon at Summerslam 14. The Bella feud that followed was loving atrocious though.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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Last night I watched the first three World War 3 matches with my friends and there was one guy in all 3 of them that we were really rooting for and I have no idea who the hell he was. He was really tall, and his ring gear was a white shirt, suspenders and jeans. He looked like a plumber or electrician or something and was completely out of place in the most delightful way.

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AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

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astrollinthepork posted:

I love Dean Ambrose super bad, but my only exposure to him has been through promos since I never watch wrestling anymore. What are the best Ambrose matches? I assume his psychology is top notch, but how about technical ability?

The Lumberjack and Hell in a Cell matches with Rollins were both great, although the finishes aren't good. Everything up until then is great though!

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