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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



The post about the PHEV got me thinking more generally about car buying, especially when "there are deals to be had!"

You should only replace a car when you want or need to replace a car. The primary driver of replacement should not be driven by the relative magnitude of the deals you are seeing. Why? Because the least expensive car is the one you already own. You might save a thousand bucks, or two thousand, or maybe a bit more on your purchase. But for most people, that means tying up cash or taking on debt on a new vehicle. In the end, you're almost never going to save money buying a car Right Now vs keeping the car you own for an incremental time period. The exception might be if your car is in very dire straits, but in that case you should already be planning to replace it!

Now, if you wanted to buy a new car anyway and can afford it and take advantage of it, sure. But I have seen a few posts and been asked by a lot of friends who seem to be looking due to perceived deals. If you weren't going to buy a car anyway, I don't think the cost savings is worth it. Quick comparison using Crosstrek vs PHEV from the example above, some numbers made up but fairly reflective of reality.

Driving habits: 1K mi/mo, assuming same insurance for each.
Current car: Crosstrek, paid off, 27mpg. $100/mo in maint/repair accruals.
Future car: Crosstrek PHEV, $15k down (assuming you trade in current crosstrek and it's worth about $15k), $20k/60 note at 0.9%. 17mi "free" per trip, 35mpg thereafter.

The current car costs you $100 in maintenance and 170 bucks in gas at $4.50/gal, total $270/mo.
The future car costs you $340/mo to the bank and $85 in gas (assuming you get 1/3 of your total miles off of EV only), total $425/mo.

Now, HOV access for the low low price of $155/mo could be a pretty good deal for many Angelenos, but if you're not commuting I question the utility.

tl;dr: There are plenty of reasons to buy a car - but taking advantage of Deals Right Now To Save Money is not going to actually save you money unless you were planning to buy a car anyway.

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Red_Fred
Oct 21, 2010



Fallen Rib

What can this thread tell me about the modern FJ Cruiser?

Robot Jones
Nov 12, 2016

Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones?


Hello! I'm moving from the city out to a pretty rural area within the next few weeks, so I need to buy my first car.

Proposed Budget: <$10k, but this is flexible. I might be selling the car in ~3 years, although a used car is a pretty terrible place to park money if I don't want it to devalue.
New or Used: Used
Body Style: I'm not picky, but a sedan or small SUV/crossover would be fine
How will you be using the car?: My commute will be ~15 minutes, once work starts up again. This is mostly for commuting and errands in coastal New England, but a couple times a year I'll probably drive to the mountains for skiing or hiking. I also have large musical instruments that don't fit comfortably into the trunk of most sedans that I have to transport, so the more cargo space the better. A couple times a month I'll be driving 1-2 hours on the highway as well.
What aspects are most important to you?: Reliability and the cost of maintenance.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001
Be heroes.

Red_Fred posted:

What can this thread tell me about the modern FJ Cruiser?

Iíve never driven one but the visibility seemed terrible riding in it

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


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sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Gimme Gimme Swedish Fish...

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Motronic posted:


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Thirded. Or a Honda Fit.

Chunjee
Oct 27, 2004
I can't read or write

FistEnergy posted:

If you like the Kona but (like me) you think it looks a bit too weird due to the prominent plastic wheel wells, the Thunder Gray paint matches the plastic very well. I'm very happy I went with this option.

https://ibb.co/ScScTNn

This looks cool and I think you are cool too

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD



Fun Shoe

Chunjee posted:

This looks cool and I think you are cool too

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

Slur, your fighting style is extremely problematic!

I kind of glanced over those pictures few days ago. But now, I'm noticing konas on the road, and factory black plastic looks terrible by comparison. Kudos for making it look so nice. It really changes things

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004




I've been meaning to get a pickup (or similar) for some time now and this one is right up my alley. Shame it's on the diagonally opposite end of the country.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-201...bgAAOSwhClezBwr

Edit: Actually let's take the opportunity to ask you folks for a recco on something similar, either used or new. I'm in the UK.

Features I'm after, in priority order:
pre:
- Cargo space
  - Enough for an 8x4ft sheet of e.g. plywood laid flat
  - Ideally not via a roofrack
  - More ideally covered
  - Even more ideally part of the main passenger area so more delicate things could be transported
- Ride comfort (motorway driving)
- Driving assists
  - Cruise control
  - Ideally adaptive
  - More ideally lane following
  - Even more ideally some level of autodriving
- Parking assists
  - Minimum good visibility
  - Ideally with parking sensors
  - More ideally with parking cameras
  - Even more ideally with autoparking
- Fuel efficient
  - Petrol is fine
  - but diesel would be good
  - and electric would be ideal
- Decent ride height
  - At least enough to give good visibility and clear kerbs & speed bumps
- Not horrendously difficult/expensive to maintain
- Possibility for infrequent towing of moderate loads
Things I do not care about for this vehicle:
pre:
- Top speed above 90mph
- Acceleration
- Handling
- Appearance (to a point)
- Compensating for a tiny dick

Jaded Burnout fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jun 1, 2020

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

I would never shop at Costco. The paper towels won't fit into my sports car!


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

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Also worth looking at the Hyundai Ioniq.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

Jaded Burnout posted:

I've been meaning to get a pickup (or similar) for some time now and this one is right up my alley. Shame it's on the diagonally opposite end of the country.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-201...bgAAOSwhClezBwr

Edit: Actually let's take the opportunity to ask you folks for a recco on something similar, either used or new. I'm in the UK.

Features I'm after, in priority order:
pre:
- Cargo space
  - Enough for an 8x4ft sheet of e.g. plywood laid flat
  - Ideally not via a roofrack
  - More ideally covered
  - Even more ideally part of the main passenger area so more delicate things could be transported
- Ride comfort (motorway driving)
- Driving assists
  - Cruise control
  - Ideally adaptive
  - More ideally lane following
  - Even more ideally some level of autodriving
- Parking assists
  - Minimum good visibility
  - Ideally with parking sensors
  - More ideally with parking cameras
  - Even more ideally with autoparking
- Fuel efficient
  - Petrol is fine
  - but diesel would be good
  - and electric would be ideal
- Decent ride height
  - At least enough to give good visibility and clear kerbs & speed bumps
- Not horrendously difficult/expensive to maintain
- Possibility for infrequent towing of moderate loads
Things I do not care about for this vehicle:
pre:
- Top speed above 90mph
- Acceleration
- Handling
- Appearance (to a point)
- Compensating for a tiny dick

This is basically just a minivan?

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004




Throatwarbler posted:

This is basically just a minivan?

With less focus on carrying lots of people, yes, possibly so.

Edit: I'm not really familiar enough with that type of car to know where the lines are drawn between estate (wagon), people carrier (minivan) (5 vs 7 seater), SUV, crossover etc.

Edit 2: Also I often have a lot of trouble figuring out the actual interior dimensions of vehicles without having to track down dealers with a tape measure and pen. For example the Ford Galaxy (which I vaguely know of as a flagship-ish minivan) has specs for the OD of the vehicle and cargo capacity in litres, but no way to know whether there's 4 ft free between the inner wheel arches, and how deep the cargo space goes in different configurations:

https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/...s/FT-Galaxy.pdf

Jaded Burnout fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jun 1, 2020

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



you're in the UK. you want a tradie van. buy a Renault Trafic. the only thing it truly does not meet is visibility but that is because all vehicles that can carry a 4x8 have poo poo visibility

You won't get any of the following unless you have a budget well above that Ford Stranger that you posted: ACC, lanekeep, or any kind of autodriving; autoparking; electric powertrain

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Mr. Wiggles posted:

Also worth looking at the Hyundai Ioniq.

what ioniq are you finding for ten thousand us dollars

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004




KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

you're in the UK. you want a tradie van. buy a Renault Trafic. the only thing it truly does not meet is visibility but that is because all vehicles that can carry a 4x8 have poo poo visibility

You won't get any of the following unless you have a budget well above that Ford Stranger that you posted: ACC, lanekeep, or any kind of autodriving; autoparking; electric powertrain

I think you'd be spot on if I was a bit further over into the trade, but I'm really after something more middle ground for when I'm not carting things about (which unlike a proper trade would be more often than not).

I like the convenience of not having to gently caress around with trailers or home delivery, but that's the sort of vehicle I'd be putting through my company if it got to that point.

The main trouble I'd have with that sort of vehicle as you've mentioned is difficult to park, not very comfortable or convenient for long drives, and that long distance travel is half of what I'm after, the other equal half being the cargo space.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

The general increasing love of athletics is benefiting our young men, and making their lives better and more worth the living.

Jaded Burnout posted:

I think you'd be spot on if I was a bit further over into the trade, but I'm really after something more middle ground for when I'm not carting things about (which unlike a proper trade would be more often than not).

I like the convenience of not having to gently caress around with trailers or home delivery, but that's the sort of vehicle I'd be putting through my company if it got to that point.

The main trouble I'd have with that sort of vehicle as you've mentioned is difficult to park, not very comfortable or convenient for long drives, and that long distance travel is half of what I'm after, the other equal half being the cargo space.

Anything that can fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood is going to be large and difficult to park by definition. Minivans are generally comfortable and very convenient for long drives. You're going to have to resolve for yourself your contradictory wants.

I believe Honda sells Odysseys in Britain. Take a look at one.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004




Deteriorata posted:

I believe Honda sells Odysseys in Britain. Take a look at one.

Well this is certainly a suggestive image.



Still infuriating that even with that they still only provide volume measurements for the cargo area.

Edit: not sold in the UK

Jaded Burnout fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 1, 2020

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Deteriorata posted:

You're going to have to resolve for yourself your contradictory wants.

thread title when

edit: you might be able to get away with a loving Big Wagon. 508, Insignia, Passat/Superb, Optima, e-class something like that. you won't be able to tell until you take a look with your own plywood though.

edit2 fixed some recs.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jun 1, 2020

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004




KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

thread title when

edit: you might be able to get away with a loving Big Wagon. 508, Insignia, Passat/Superb, Optima, e-class something like that. you won't be able to tell until you take a look with your own plywood though.

edit2 fixed some recs.

Alright. Some helpful pointers, I'll scope out the local Dealership Alley with a tape measure once the cov has passed over.

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

Slur, your fighting style is extremely problematic!

Is Chrysler Town & Country van available in England?

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004




Nitrox posted:

Is Chrysler Town & Country van available in England?

No Chrysler at all.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Nitrox posted:

Is Chrysler Town & Country van available in England?

Some older ones were in the DCX era (badged as dodges, i am pretty sure) but please do not subject the man to DCX product without local parts availability.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004




US brands that don't really exist here include:
- Chrysler
- F150s
- Any GM
- Lincoln
- Dodge
- RAM

Really the only ones that *are* sold here are Ford, Jeep, and Tesla, and I think the Ford lineup is quite different.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Plenty of GM-related stuff exists, you just know it as Vauxhall.

Mondeo Estate would be an OK choice too, perhaps. The Superb is the biggest though.

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Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004




KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Plenty of GM-related stuff exists, you just know it as Vauxhall.

Ah.

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