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MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Cage posted:

Sooo new navigator








Jk apparently the gullwing doors are just on the concept to show off the interior, and won't be on production.

Florida version?

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MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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blugu64 posted:

Because I have family that I see that lives 350 miles away at 70mph, and a bladder that gets me there without wanting to stop and add an extra hour to charge on the trip. I go half dozen times a year and no renting a car for that is stupid and wasteful, having an hour+ meal on the way (to charge) is inane, there are no CCS quick chargers on the way and why would I buy a bolt when i can buy a volt and get a "quick charge" every 100 miles at absolute worst?

When I drove to Berlin I stopped 2 times. Once on the ferry (45min) and then a quick 5 minute stop to empty the bladder. I couldn't get out of that service station fast enough. I was like stepping back in time, full of mullets. Imagine being stuck there for 30 minutes. Besides, I hate waiting around when traveling, I'd rather just get to the destination asap or at least be on my way.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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How are Teslas with rust?

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Laserface posted:

Lol, looking at that list, Americans are going to be learning the hard way about odometer tampering and terrible imports. Also gently caress you guys for making R32 GTRs ridiculously over priced (and enjoy your oil pumps self immolating)

There is no way a 1990 silvia has 60k miles on it. I bought a 97 that had 169k kms on it (which is significantly more than the odometer read when I bought it)

You could luck out and find one owned by some old dude/gal that only drove it to the shops / has had it sitting for 10 years because they didn't sell it when they got too old to drive it. Maybe not the same desirability factor car, but I recently saw a 1990 Accord with 33k miles on it. $4900.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Another problem with SAAB (except setting back the development of a part of my city with 2-3 decades) is that stuff like the interior (and exterior) in a > 2005 car looks like something from early 90's. They really didn't keep up.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Huge_Midget posted:

Hahahahahahahahaha

Reliable Alfa.

:lol::lol::lol:

Alfas are the insanely hot college girlfriends of the auto world. Sure they are loving gorgeous and they will gargle your balls while jerking you off on their faces but as soon as you aren't looking they are going through the pictures on your phone and throwing all your stuff into the street and then lighting it on fire.

Pretty much, and I'm looking to get one. :psyduck:

Edit: A 156.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 19:44 on May 17, 2016

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Most people seem base their choice of car on the reputation of reliability anyway, however outdated or wrong that reputation is.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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If I'm still interested in 5 years or so I could easily see myself picking up a second hand Giulia. That infotainment screen solution is one of the best ones I've seen.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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DoLittle sums it up very well.

I'll just add: Many times it's not incompetence from an engineering standpoint, but quality control. For instance, the 156's were galvanized, but can still suffer from rust because they just plain forgot to undercoat some cars. On 159's the subframe could begin to rust after a couple of years due to lovely quality control, others show no rust after double that time.
The Selespeed is a pretty good system, and actually not that unreliable in itself. But the problem is that no one knew how to take care of it. It need to calibrated once a year to not wear and fail. It also need correct oil and correct levels. Not even the Alfa stealership technicians knew how to do this, which means that it fails and then they insist on replacing the whole drat unit. The ones that were taken care of properly run fine and are pretty bulletproof.

Then there is the whole customer service bit, FCA and Alfa are probably the absolute worst at this. If they'd just sort out the customer service, and the quality control they'd be ahead of many other companies.


That being said, I'm going to look at a facelifted 156 tomorrow. 11 years in Swedish winter conditions... It's been very well cared for though, and professionally rust protected (where they inspect it all 'n protect 'n poo poo) by the current owner when he bought it five years ago.

Girlfriend loves the Fiat 500 (and when she sat in one I've never seen someone fit in a car so well), so we'll probably buy one of those in the future. Personally I'm a bit bored of them. They went the Mini route and made a billion different versions, which kinda spoils it a bit for me.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 16:16 on May 26, 2016

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Sat in a Renault Talisman wagon yesterday. Nice interior (on par with Volvo V70 top trim level), looks much better in person than on photos. Fully loaded it's much cheaper than the Germans / Volvo, whilst being more reliable than all of them. Renault has one of the best rust protection nowadays as well apparently (which is a huge deal here in Sweden).

Still have to test drive one. I tried the Mégane, but found it a bit loud and plasticy on the inside, but that's a much cheaper car.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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KozmoNaut posted:

That's a very nice looking car, especially in the wagon version.

I'll be looking forward to maybe buying a used one in 10-15 years, provided it comes with a decent range of non-diesel engines.

I might be looking at one when they start coming off leases. Since a fully loaded one is "only" 350k SEK ($42k, but we probably have much more taxes), the leasers will take the hit the first 3 years and by that time there is still 2 years left on the new car warranty. Just sat in one again just now to show the girlfriend, who loved it. Also test drove an Hyundai i40, which was pretty decent. The automatic was pretty nice, but I still can't get over the choppy stops (especially with start / stop function) in automatics. That center console is pretty horrid though, and I bump my knee on it constantly.

fyodor posted:

I love that it has a flat-bottom steering wheel for that racecar feel. I suppose if you are really tall it's nicer?

I'm 6' 4" and I sat like a king in it. My dad (who is also pretty tall) sat behind me and had loads of room. I've tried sitting behind my settings as well, and it was very comfortable. Really loved the center touch screen. Not too big, very responsive. Also an A/C fridge in the center storage with room for at least 2x50cl bottles. Pretty cool.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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I thought they'd learned by now not to buy in lovely components from others. Well, as long as it isn't another M32 gearbox...

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Nobody makes a gearbox in house.

Doesn't mean they should buy in things that put their reputation in danger, like with the mentioned M32 gearbox they put in some of the 159's when they clearly know enough to find better gearboxes like the F40 on the same model. Doubt the lower costs were worth it.
That being said, it doesn't matter that much if the gearbox itself is solid and it's only a matter of limiting the engine since most people don't really care about that anyway.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Olympic Mathlete posted:

For an Alfa Romeo it's pretty standard looking and that is sad. You can see where it takes inspiration from the previous 4 door Alfas but it doesn't have the same sort of quirky flair of years gone by nor indeed the beauty of the much older cars

Maybe, but still pretty original for what can be done. I think it's the best looking car in that segment. When I'm getting a new car, and it's not something "old but cool", I'm pretty sure the Giulia will be the one I get. But then again, I'm a biased Alfa Romeo owner so.. :v:
If I can afford it, I won't be against getting a second hand QV.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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travisray2004 posted:

drat. I think the Giulia looks beautiful in blue or white, but that pewter color makes it look boring as gently caress.

My favorite colour on the non QV car is the Monza Red. More depth than the Alfa red. A colour that looks cool in the configurator but really sucks in person is Lipari Grey. I saw one in person and it just looks like the most boring flat grey colour. I guess it's cool in the right light, but it's not worth it the rest of the time.

Edit: I wish the black rims trend would die though. So many rims / cars ruined.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Dec 13, 2016

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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I think if you just stopped having "go around the block" as the required thing to do in order to get a license you'd halve your deaths.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Finger Prince posted:

No. Lease, 2 years max.

To be honest, that's true for most cars in that segment isn't it?

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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BigPaddy posted:

That is ok, NCAP gave it the same

http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/mustang/26063

Edit: it seems in a crash it will decapitate a toddler sitting behind the driver.

Side pole and pedestrian tests are unusually relevant tests for this car.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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FuturePastNow posted:

Volvo's Seven Shades of Grey

Well after all it's the swedes choice of colour because "The dirt doesn't show as much :downs:".

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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BloodBag posted:

I guess it's a new car to me, but the Jaguar XE caught my eye yesterday... I've been kinda leaning towards a luxury sedan 'saloon' for a while now and my goodness, does this car look so good to me


:allears:
A supercharged V6 and 4.5s 0-60? Yes please! I was thinking of a subaru legacy 3.6r, but I think I want some real maintenance punishment. I didn't get enough from my E46 and impreza yet :v:

I had to check the second hand market after seeing your post. Pretty much only diesels to be found in Sweden.. yeah no thanks.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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cynic posted:

I had a loan of a diesel version for a few days while my wifes beat-up land rover was in for some work (good trade imho), and while it was slick and comfortable, it was not exciting (even once I figured out how to activate the various sports modes)

A couple of years ago I could probably stomach a diesel (even if it feels wrong in a nicer / sportier car, but with the talks of diesel bans in many places in Europe I'm not keen at all. Not that I drive enough to justify a diesel anyway.
Apart from the Brits, it wouldn't surprise me if the Swedes are the diesel-happiest people in Europe. Everything and their grandmother runs on diesel. I even saw the double whammy of sadness recently - a diesel Porsche Panamera.


Gas consumption talk: I hit 8.4 L/km from exclusively driving in the city. So does my girlfriend that is learning to drive. Official stats are 8.5L/km in city. 155hp 1.4L turbo engine. But I try to do some Eco driving.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Wistful of Dollars posted:

:discourse:

(still needs something between the 4-banger and the Quadraformagio, though)

I am wishing for a V6 Veloce. 350-ish HP would be nice. But I doubt it's going to happen. :(
From lurking on the Giulia / Alfa forums there doesn't seem to be much problems so far. Especially for being a new car. Many problem-threads are people who didn't read the manual / whine about stuff like the front tires skipping when at full lock and driving off from standstill.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Throatwarbler posted:

Consumer Reports bought a Giulia Ti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lvvcOBlIWU

Drives great when it isn't broken

Yeah, but like they said. One car isn't impacting the reliability rating. I know it's fun to poke fun at Alfa / FIAT rust / unreliability (just look at the comment in that video blaming FIAT for Chryslers bad quality), but then you look at actual statistics and it becomes clear that what you don't want to buy is anything in the VAG group.

It could very well turn out that the Giulia is below average in reliability as well, but unless there is some catastrophical failure points it won't stop me getting one. I mean people keep buying BMWs even though it's said that you should never own one out of warranty. I'd say the big hurdle for Alfa is to get past the rotten dealers. At least the UK has amazing indie specialists though.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Fiat also has the lowest brand reliability according to cr, followed by all thr Chrysler brands

Could it be like with Volkswagen that it's different production plants?
Fiat outperforms all the German brands in UK (Warranty direct's reliability index). In a recent Swedish study by one of our major insurers Fiat outperformed the Germans (apart from Mercedes). That study was based on claims on engine, gearbox, brakes, electrics etc. Obviously not from accident damage.

Alfa Romeo still finishes poorly, but it can only get better. Besides "check engine light" without giving any context or checking the code means nothing.

VVV: So actually a really bad way to judge reliability since people who are happy with they car won't bother to and do positive surveys in the same way unhappy people will? Much better to track claims, repair costs and hours in the shop.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Mar 17, 2017

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Killstick posted:

The 4 door version of the 2 door version of the 3 series is the best looking BMW ...

I agree, it really is the best looking current BMW. I'm glad they made it.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Olympic Mathlete posted:

If BMW has somehow managed to put in enough speakers that it sounds great blatting away from you then they should go into the pro audio game because that thing sounded great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9EtVmskP4

Audi did it for their R8 e-Tron. If you like that 80's style futuristic car sound.... which I kinda do.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Subtle chrome > matte black everything. Really depends on the car, the colours and the lines of the bodywork in my opinion.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Michael Scott posted:

Car washes too. :cool:

I'd pay them not to touch it.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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FuturePastNow posted:

Young people drive 15 year old Tauruses and Malibus and Camrys and Accords because young people don't have money.

Hmm? I thought young people get expensive leases / get a 840 month high APR loan for a new cars?

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Should you be driving with both arms broken?

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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I've started to answer these calls (because otherwise I'll have idiots calling me daily) but not playing the game. I'd ask them "What's in it for me?".

Actual content:
With the announcement of the Mazda HCCI engines I was impressed enough to check out Mazdas, and holy poo poo doesn't Mazda 6's look like insane value? Only downside seems to be road noise (which they apparently did something about for the 2017 model). The only other thing people complain about is that it's under powered, but that's coming from Americans. 195hp is way above average in Europe. I don'tget the common reason that I see on YouTube / forums "need to accelerate on on ramps" and "keep up with traffic". I cruised comfortably @ 170km/h (105mph) on the Autobahn (and would have gone faster if it wasn't for rain / traffic) in a 136hp V70 diesel. Not like it even broke a sweat.

I have to go test drive one ASAP.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Just test drove the 2017 Mazda 6 in max trim. Very comfortable seats, nice materials, infotainment system is very snappy. The HUD is cool, but I think I have to agree with reviewers that it could have been implemented better. But I guess that after a while you don't even notice that it is on a separate screen.
Had to drive in a diesel though, a bit slow , and I'm utterly allergic nowadays to the diesel clatter. Took it onto a highway stretch here that has notoriously bad asphalt. It's even loud to drive a V70 on it. But the Mazda was a bit too loud there, but then again, 19" rims..

All in all - very impressed, but a bit nervous about the road noise. I know I won't be getting Volvo quality sound deadening, but I can't have another car that makes me tired from road noise. I want to be able to drive for 6-8 hours at high speeds.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Michael Scott posted:

This used to be true but is not any longer. Tesla implemented a folding 2nd row a while ago. Still silly that the production rollout did not have 'em for $100k.


Take a look at a lightly used Audi A4, friend. It's a bit higher than your budget perhaps but not by much. A couple year used A4 will bring you right around new loaded Mazda6 levels.

It's a bit smaller than a Mazda6, about 8 inches less in length. The fit and finish is a lot higher and the chassis is dead smooth and quiet at speed, it's made for the Autobahn.

It would be nice to have a quiet car, but Audi isn't the most reliable / low repair cost brand. Part of the appeal of a Mazda is the reliability, warranties and low repair cost.

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Short:
Its good


Long:
Those complaints are bull, the autobox handles sudden kickdowns really well and its geared nicely. If you need to get from ramp speed to highway speeds in any reasonable pace its only under 90hp/120hp for small non micro hatches/sedans (respective, assuming equal peak tq/hp) where you start having problems.

It wasnt a problem with a 1.6 civic then and its not a problem now, even with added weight.

Yeah, it seemed like a very nice chassis. 192 hp won't be a problem. The road noise worries me though. Sweden has really harsh asphalt (to handle studded tires).

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Speaking of Mazda, anyone know what they sound insulation plans for the 6 is? Oh and when the hell are they going to put in Android Auto? 2 things that stop Mazda 6 from being an almost perfect car IMO.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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TheGoatTrick posted:

I think it looks really nice, grille aside.

I really like it as well. Nice lines, nothing that stands out as stupid. Refined but sporty. Shame it's something we'll never get in Europe.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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I wish KIA would redesign that awful (KIA) emblem though. It's like a placeholder that got forgotten.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Withnail posted:

I like this car



because its pretty much this car



but my friends tell me no because it's a



so conflicted

Yeah the new Insignia looks great, and afaik reviewers like it.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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euphronius posted:

Waze is amazing I love it so much. It's saved me from at least 3 tickets. Not to mention avoiding traffic jams.

I trusted Waze today and I swear to god it sent me on the worst drat most congested route possible. I guess there weren't enough Waze users on that road or something.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Wow. Imagine paying $76 a loving week for 96 loving months.

Speaking of leases, they are a bit "better" here in Sweden, never any down payments, but I read the average cost of returning the vehicle (due to damage like scratches / curbed rims etc) is ~$2000. A relative of my GF expects to pay close to $3000 when turning in their car. That's almost a year of leasing the car just in return fees.

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MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Laranzu posted:

Apparently you can't configure a Stinger with all season tires without buying the $2000 package of annoying driver aids. Thats a super strange limitation.

I dunno, I get the reasoning. All season tires are usually poo poo compared to having a set of dedicated winter/summer tires, so you'd probably need the driver aids.
Though I come from a tire culture where all seasons are frowned upon, and actively discouraged.. so I'm biased.

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