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hahaha I saw a Mazda (or Acura?) commercial today in passing and the words 'BLAZE IT' scrolled up on the screen. I couldn't hear the audio though.
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coolskillrex remix posted:The looks are a little much with the black hood, but id have to see it in person to determine if i'd feel like a tool driving it around. I wonder if the black hood is reversible to body color as an option. To me, it looks more hideous with the chrome wrap A-pillars than a different hood color.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:17
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See this is why the Ridgeline being unibody sucks; if it were body on frame they could have converted it to a hydraulic dump bed and saved those poor marketing guys the effort of cleaning it out.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:22
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That bed trunk seriously owns. If I were in the market for a truck the only thing keeping the Ridgeline from being my guaranteed pick is the absurd resale value of the Tacoma, but I think the Ridgeline has traditionally held up the usual high Honda resale value so TCO shouldn't be far off.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:35
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Yeah ridgeline unless you are towing seems the best all around truck for the average person.
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Biodome posted:I didn't know it was an actual Honda vid so I was fully expecting the rear window to get shattered somehow. When he was holding the single block at the end I was half expecting him to 'accidentally' throw it through the rear window.
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Jun 12, 2016 06:09
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Yeah I was expecting the camera to turn and for him to throw it through a Silverado or something. Also all the news about the Fiat doesn't matter because it's loving hideous, especially with the Abarth hood and trunk lid.
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Jun 12, 2016 06:30
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El Scotch posted:When he was holding the single block at the end I was half expecting him to 'accidentally' throw it through the rear window. Spike it real hard, have it bounce off the bed and shatter the rear window, abrupt cut. Would have ruled.
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Jun 12, 2016 06:39
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While that Honda ute/pickup has a cool bed, it's got to be a massive pain in the arse if you got a flat tyre and a fully loaded bed.
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You Am I posted:While that Honda ute/pickup has a cool bed, it's got to be a massive pain in the arse if you got a flat tyre and a fully loaded bed. In America, this won't be a problem very often
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Jun 12, 2016 08:47
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coolskillrex remix posted:Has anyone posted about the fiat 124? Lots of reviews for it are pouring out. The regular version is an interesting car, $25k (probably $24k invoice) for a car that you can easily chip to 200whp/200ftlb tq because its the same 1.4l turbo as the 500 abarth engine. I think it looks really nice in certain colors too, doesnt suffer from the miatas weird tiny rear-end and microscopic headlights in the front. Surprisingly most reviewers also prefer it handling wise over the miata, better steering, and less body roll. Its less comfortable but not sure i would care. Kind of a total game changer, theres now a $25,000 italian roadster made in a japanese factory that weighs 2500lbs and you can easily get 200hp out of it The biggest plus for the Abarth is the LSD. It's basically the Miata Club Sport with some extra goodies including some decent looking leather seats and the upgraded exhaust. Miata Club Sport: 29,4 with destination, no options Fiat 124 Abarth: 29,2 with destination, no options
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blk posted:Yeah I was expecting the camera to turn and for him to throw it through a Silverado or something. Also all the news about the Fiat doesn't matter because it's loving hideous, especially with the Abarth hood and trunk lid. what's it like to be wrong
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Jun 12, 2016 19:21
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Seat Safety Switch posted:See this is why the Ridgeline being unibody sucks; if it were body on frame they could have converted it to a hydraulic dump bed and saved those poor marketing guys the effort of cleaning it out. They probably would have sold a truck right there if they just threw it in reverse, floored it then slammed on the brakes.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:40
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Miata Club Sport: 29,4 with destination, no options Hopefully, for 2017, Mazda has figured out that people would pay a little extra for heated seats in the Miata Club. I know I would have, although I don't miss them as much as I thought I would.
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Jun 12, 2016 22:18
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At least when I checked boxes in the configurator you could select the leather seats for no additional money but it's probably Fiat's website being poo poo.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:what's it like to be wrong When I read his comment I was literally shaking and had to look at some Fiat 124 porn*. *Vintage stuff before they trimmed
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Jun 13, 2016 03:28
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The Abarth version looks like a 90s UK chav version of the original. It's been Barried and the plain plastic sections on the bumper make it look like the cheaper version.
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Alfa Giulia model list for different markets. In the US: - 280 hp auto in RWD & AWD - 350 hp auto AWD - 510 hp manual & auto RWD No 350 hp version in Europe or Asia. Multiple diesels, 200 hp petrol and manual gearboxes for everything instead. PETROL ===================================================== 620.GR0.0 2.0 GME T4 200HP ATX RWD I/CE Base 620.PR0.0 Super 620.TR0.0 JAP Super Plus 620.GA1.0 2.0 GME T4 280HP ATX AWD I/CE HOMOLOGATION 620.PA1.0 Super 620.DA1.0 Veloce 620.GR1.0 2.0 GME T4 280HP ATX RWD CHN/AU/JP HOMOLOGATION 620.PR1.0 Super 620.DR1.0 Veloce 620.QRU.0 2.9T V6 ALFA 510HP MTX RWD I/CE Quadrifoglio 620.QRV.0 2.9T V6 ALFA 510HP ATX RWD I/CE Quadrifoglio DIESEL ===================================================== 620.GRC.0 2.2 JTDM 136HP MTX RWD I/CE Base 620.PRC.0 Super 620.GRD.0 2.2 JTDM 136HP ATX RWD I/CE Base 620.PRD.0 Super 620.GRE.0 2.2 JTDM 150HP MTX RWD I/CE Base 620.PRE.0 Super 620.GRG.0 2.2 JTDM 150HP ATX RWD I/CE Base 620.PRG.0 Super 620.GRJ.0 2.2 JTDM 180HP MTX RWD I/CE Base 620.PRJ.0 Super 620.GRL.0 2.2 JTDM 180HP ATX RWD I/CE Base 620.PRL.0 Super 620.TRL.0 KR/JP Super Plus 620.GRM.0 2.2 JTDM 180HP ATX RWD I/CE ECO Base 620.PRM.0 Super 620.PAL.0 2.2 JTDM 180HP ATX AWD I/CE Super 620.GAP.0 2.2 JTDM 210HP ATX AWD I/CE HOMOLOGATION 620.PAP.0 Super 620.DAP.0 Veloce NAFTA ====================================================== 621.GR1.0 2.0 GME T4 280HP ATX RWD USA Base 621.PR1.0 Super (TI) 621.GA1.0 2.0 GME T4 280HP ATX AWD USA Base 621.PA1.0 Super (TI) 621.DA3.0 2.0 GME T4 350HP ATX AWD USA Veloce 621.QRU.0 2.9T V6 ALFA 510HP MTX RWD USA Quadrifoglio 621.QRV.0 2.9T V6 ALFA 510HP ATX RWD USA Quadrifoglio
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Jun 15, 2016 16:01
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Kinda sucks that you can't get a stripper model with a stick shift. I wonder if the manual gearbox is expensive.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Kinda sucks that you can't get a stripper model with a stick shift. I wonder if the manual gearbox is expensive. In the Euro Diesels torque is limited in manual cars to protect the gearbox (Getrag G217). Automatic cars have more torque and are faster. The Getrag G217 box may be too weak for the 280 & 350 hp petrol engines. The manual gearbox in the Quadrifoglio has the same ZF manual box as in BMW M3. The automatic gearbox is the ZF 8-speed across the range.
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god drat it Alfa you had one job how do you think you can build a three series competitor if you don't offer a MT on other trim levels KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Jun 15, 2016 16:22
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:god drat it Alfa you had one job In a way, this is 100% Alfa. "Whoops, we made the engines too powerful for the gearbox. Oh well, we'll just haphazardly fix it."
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Jun 15, 2016 16:27
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That's, like, only 80% Alfa. 100% would look like this: "Whoops, we made the engines too powerful for the gearbox. Oh well."
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Jun 15, 2016 16:35
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:how do you think you can build a three series competitor if you don't offer a MT on other trim levels What's the take rate on manuals for 3/4 series?
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Jun 15, 2016 16:41
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kimbo305 posted:What's the take rate on manuals for 3/4 series? Atrocious, no doubt, but Alfa has a war of perception to win first and they need to get enthusiast backing. Are a bunch of people going to go out and buy a manual Giulia Ti? No, but the fact that it exists legitimizes the car for when their idiot lawyer friends say "what euro sport sedan should I buy bro" edit Plus I would totally 100% buy a Giulia Ti manual 280
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Jun 15, 2016 16:46
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I thought they'd learned by now not to buy in lovely components from others. Well, as long as it isn't another M32 gearbox...
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Jun 15, 2016 16:47
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MrOnBicycle posted:I thought they'd learned by now not to buy in lovely components from others. Well, as long as it isn't another M32 gearbox... Nobody makes a gearbox in house.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Nobody makes a gearbox in house. I guess the operative here, is "lovely," when was the last time a gearbox was made in house?
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I guess if there was enough demand they could use the Quadrifoglio manual also in the lower trim levels, as it certainly is beafy enough for them. Probably just a demand/cost optimization. The manual diesel cars sold in Europe are heavily cost and emission optimized to hit different company car and tax brackets in different markets because that is where the volume is in terms of sale. Just look at the Dutch price list with multiple versions with different programming to hit different emission limits:  For the sporty manual enthusiast there's the Quadrifoglio and I assume everyone else who is not choosing the car from a list of approved company cars is expected to buy the 8-speed automatic version. Edit: I wonder what kind of trickery is going on to get the 180 hp AT diesel a 99 gCO2/100 km rating. That is 63 mpg(US) combined. DoLittle fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Nobody makes a gearbox in house. Doesn't mean they should buy in things that put their reputation in danger, like with the mentioned M32 gearbox they put in some of the 159's when they clearly know enough to find better gearboxes like the F40 on the same model. Doubt the lower costs were worth it. That being said, it doesn't matter that much if the gearbox itself is solid and it's only a matter of limiting the engine since most people don't really care about that anyway.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:05
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Aw, I was hoping for a NA V6 for the mid-range, ah well.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Doesn't mean they should buy in things that put their reputation in danger, like with the mentioned M32 gearbox they put in some of the 159's when they clearly know enough to find better gearboxes like the F40 on the same model. Doubt the lower costs were worth it. Asking FCA to not buy substandard components to save money is like asking an American to give up their guns.
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El Scotch posted:Aw, I was hoping for a NA V6 for the mid-range, ah well. An Alfa V6 is a nice thing but it would be slower than the turbo four in all probability.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:41
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Nobody makes a gearbox in house. Lots of companies do though? Mazda, Nissan, Subaru, FIAT.....
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The CO2 emission legislation and taxation in Europe is basically making NA engines extinct in mass market cars. There is no chance that a NA V6 would have been competitive in a large portion of European market.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:47
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It's here guys
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Throatwarbler posted:Lots of companies do though? Mazda, Nissan, Subaru, FIAT..... Which transmissions? JATCO is a Nissan subsidiary but they're certainly a component supplier. The Fiat dual clutch is a three way project between BorgWarner, Magneti Marelli and Fiat Powertrain and is a piece of trash anyway. Honda actually does but most of their transmissions have been historically lovely so they're not exactly a poster child for doing it inhouse. Subaru Lineartronic, Mazda Skyactiv transmissions, and various Honda gearboxes are the only ones that I think exist.
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Throatwarbler posted:It's here guys Which company has made that gearbox?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Which transmissions? It has been a while, but before the 159 Alfa used inhouse gearboxes (based on old, old FIAT design). They switched to the M32/F40 because of the GM partsbin that was used for 159 and its derivatives and everyone knows how well that went...
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Throatwarbler posted:It's here guys Does it have two reverses too?
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