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OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
As annoying as seattle/wa drivers are, I'll take passive, sedated drivers over aggressive fucktards any day of the week.

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OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
My '13 TDI Jetta (golf) wagon was definitely from Mexico.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Nodoze posted:

I loved the idea of getting a Z3, but it ended there. Theres just no reason to ever buy one over a Miata or S2000 other than "it's a BMW and I want a BMW." You can spend a lot less and get a better car you can do a lot more to, is dead reliable and easy as dirt to maintain, or around the same to slightly more for a much better car that's dead reliable, easy as dirt to maintain, and that you can also do a lot more to. I don't think the Z3 is particularly great looking either, and the plastic rear window is gross.

Well, all is forgiven about the Z3 when you consider how awesome the Z3M Coupes and roadsters are.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Yeah, it's just another reason you'd never really want to own a Z3 that isn't an M Coupe/roadster.

But on the other hand, most Z3's don't make enough power and aren't driven nearly as hard so maybe it's not that big of a deal. My M Coupe didn't have any trouble with it by the time I sold it.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
I don't know that there's any concrete evidence to say that they are built any better or worse.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Seat Safety Switch posted:

Their strategy is to make their cars so small that they eventually disappear entirely from view, reducing eye cancer rates.

The cancer won't go away until the juke is finally dead.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
I can't get past two things:

the fact it looks like a lovely econobox with a lift kit

and the headlights on the front bumper being separated from the what is this a loving turnsignal on the hood

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
That's bullshit. I had no problem walking into a dealer last weekend and driving a BRZ for 20 minutes. Feels good, man.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Gotta say that the new Mazda6 looks fantastic in person.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

D C posted:

I bet 90% of the buyers dont know its a v6. Ford jumps through hoops to avoid calling it a V6 in advertising. It may as well be a Voldemort engine.

I've been renting a v6 vert this week in Hawaii and it's a pretty decent car all things considered. Fuel economy isn't great and it has a fairly soft suspension but the power seems p good and it's not the greatest handling but not as bad as I expected (never drove a Mustang before).

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Cream_Filling posted:

Why would you get manual on a diesel. Why even bother?

Who asks this kind of question in AI?

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

iwentdoodie posted:

So, silly question.

The current Sportwagons on lots right now are still based on the last gen Golf, correct? Does anyone know if there's any option package that has the multiple driver memory settings?

I'd just call or visit a dealer, but that's either a long distance call or a 20 hour flight.

Not available, my '13 model JSW tdi with nav and sunroof has manual fwd/aft slide, power height and tilt adjustable.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Wheeee posted:

Look, all I want is a small, lightweight, ~$20k, purpose-built RWD sports car with a manual and no frills that drive up the price like all those stupid cars made and marketed toward fat stupid Americans.

Oh, and it has to make more than 200hp I mean I don't want to be driving something slower than an Accord, and really it needs some good NVH dampening for when I'm on the highway, and would it be too much to ask for a good stereo and some nice soft-touch materials in the cabin so it doesn't feel like I'm driving a stripped-down economy car?

Brand new?

Brz/ft86 will be hitting low 20's soon for 2-3 year old car that meets your criteria. I want one but they won't be a good buy until the used market goes a bit lower imo.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

DJ Commie posted:

I don't even understand how the thermodynamics would work with this. They don't, especially when your cooling source is ambient air. How do you expect to have condensation inside, let alone freezing?

It's a legit problem on newer TDI models in cold climates.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5574701-TDI-Intercooler-Issue-Design-Flaw



http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3278239&postcount=386

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Fucknag posted:

I went to school with a guy who tooled around in an old Escort wagon as his family vehicle with a worn-out BP, maybe 100 horsepower, who raved that any car (even full-size sedans) with more than about 120HP was dangerously over-powered; he'd be in nirvana!

Pretty sure I remember click and clack complaining about this about 10 years ago--they argued that a stock WRX had too high of a power to weight ratio and that it was unsafe. I'm not sure anyone who has actually driven one would say that.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Think about where you could live, in relation to where you work, if you didn't have to worry about commuting? this can't happen soon enough

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Baram posted:

Oh drat, they have a carbon shell? that's pretty neat.

Yup, they specifically built a carbon fiber parts factory over in eastern Washington for easy access to cheap hydro power.

They had one of the i3's out on track at pacific raceways this weekend as one of the pace cars at the historic/vintage races. pretty neat looking in person and obviously very quiet.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
qunt?

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

KillHour posted:

I know this isn't a popular opinion here, but I would give my left nut for an automatic (or DCT) Abarth. My wife absolutely will not let me have a manual car, so my choices of hot hatches are limited to... uh... the MINI Cooper S, I guess?

And DSG equipped GTI's

OBAMNA PHONE fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jul 23, 2014

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Plenty of manufacturers use badging like "gti" and "gt" ect and never get sued over it, I'm sure they ran it by the legal team before deciding to do it.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
The rear curve from the roofline reminds me of a 928

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Xguard86 posted:

Counterpoint Kanye did a rhym about having two GSeses which made him ambidexterous.

yeah, first album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_GIbPcq6bw

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
I wonder if it actually reads the signs or relies on navigation data to give you the speed limit for any particular area. Even the lovely nav in my Jetta sportwagen has speed limit info for certain areas.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Twerk from Home posted:

This is a pretty confusing move to me. Doesn't AWD have several major points of failure that will likely fail somewhere between 100k and 200k miles, like more half-shafts, active center diffs, and other jazz? It seems like manufacturers are trying to counteract how long-term reliable modern cars are by putting in more poo poo to break.

It's a good selling feature, just look at subaru's success here in the past 20 years (they sell FWD cars elsewhere in the world, not here though).

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

ilkhan posted:

G35c and G37c are still loving beautiful cars.
The rest, Meh, you are right.

Ugh, you got that backwards, the Q-whatever its called now...Q50? Actually looks decent but the older models really show their age fast.

And of course all of the engines sound like stupid loving chewbacca roars so who cares really

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

VERTiG0 posted:

I love the way these look and would have one with either engine in a heartbeat as long as it has the 'S' package:



Ehhh...but no 6 speed manual available.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
drat, 17.8k USD what a great deal. In theory someone could buy it and trailer it to the US and use it for race duty only

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Yeah I don't understand why they wouldn't have used a dual clutch transmission--you could probably mark it up even more.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

MrChips posted:

I was a naysayer about the GT350, colour me wrong.

That said, I still don't believe that the advantages of the flat-crank engine outweigh the drawbacks...with durability being chief among them. I hope GT350 owners enjoy rebuilding their engines every so often.

Don't worry, most of them would have be garage garage queens anyway

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

priznat posted:

Man, sucks for those guys then. That's too civic-y. They want the prelude back so bad. I'm old enough to remember when those and celicas were abundant and it was a good time. Back before Toyota went completely irredeemably beige.

I'm glad somebody liked those cars but tbh they really weren't very good cars.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
And for those who didn't already know, it's only a survey for the first 3 years of the car's life:

This car reliability study measures problems experienced during the past 12 months by original owners of three-year-old (2011 model year) vehicles, includes 202 different problem symptoms across all areas of the vehicle. Overall dependability is determined by the level of problems experienced per 100 vehicles (PP100), with a lower score reflecting higher quality. The Vehicle Dependability Study is used extensively by vehicle manufacturers worldwide to help design and build better vehicles, which typically translates to higher resale values and higher customer loyalty.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

It's too expensive and complicated to make it profitable, and frankly anyone who is "willing to pay the extra cost" is probably going to exercise that on a brand of car where the components are hand-built or assembled.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

InitialDave posted:

It depends what kind of customisation you're after. If you want a manual with an engine that is auto-only off the shelf, yes, that's not going to be justifiable.

If you just want to be allowed the leather with the grey piping rather than orange piping in your orange car, even though it normally only goes in the silver cars, the additional cost from a manufacturing point of view isn't that high, it just means ensuring that you pick from supply A rather than supply B when doing interior fitment on that particular car, it doesn't go down a different line or anything.

You can't say that any deviation from the packaged specifications will cost a huge amount of money, it depends on what kind of change you're talking about.

It's not just the cost of the piping coming from a different supplier--how do you get that into your existing manufacturing line which is not tailored towards individually customer-requested options? You have to have a realistic method to ensure that the assy mechanic who normally installs the seats has a way of knowing when a particular car will be getting this rare option. will the parts that need to be installed be brought to the line? how do you ensure that the seat reaches his workstation at the appropriate time?

for most cars, these kind of requirements on an expensive moving line produce complexities that make it unprofitable if not ill-advised as well to offer completely custom stuff.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

InitialDave posted:

Car production lines have everything you need to do this right now. How do you think they get the right options in the right car currently?

And there's no cost of "different piping". It's something you already have in inventory, you already fit it, it's just fitting it to a car you wouldn't normally.

Yes there is a different cost for the piping--do you think these seats actually show up unassembled? For a truly custom color on the seat you would have to have someone place an order for a part (with enough lead time) and ensure that it shows up on time, passes QA and makes it to the installation location. the supplier would almost certainly charge more for a custom part, I have no idea how you can believe otherwise.

Trust me, the increased complexity drives up costs very, very fast. even for industries like my own (airplane interiors) which are almost completely custom each and every plane.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

CornHolio posted:

It doesn't look bad. It just doesn't look stellar.

And do they even still make the Maxima?

Nissan really is the worst of all the japanese manufacturers, even mitsu. And if you think the modern altima looks bad, have you seen how fuckin stupid the Pathfinder looks these days?

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Powershift posted:

counterpoint:

109hp, "competent" handling, $9,995



74hp, "dangerous" handling, $12,995(although they now have incentives in canadabringing it down to $9,998)


Also, nissan still has the 370z, and that idx concept. mitsubishi is killing the evo, and all their concepts are SUVs

I guess my opinion of the two stems from the fact that I (and the market) expect nothing from mitsubishi, and they deliver accordingly, but nissan is a huge company that has made great cars in the past, but just makes 99% ugly poo poo nowadays.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Duh, but I'm clearly talking about just the car division, since that's what the thread is about.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

fknlo posted:

Empty quoting this forever. That thing looks like fun!

I said I'd never buy another VAG product but ended up in a Golf TDI when i was looking a couple years ago. Hopefully I don't run into the HPFP problem even though they've been covering the repair out of warranty. Can't even imagine how bad they'd get publicly flogged if they didn't cover an all too common $8k repair.

8k to replace the HPFP?

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

fknlo posted:

When the HPFP goes you basically have to replace the entire fuel system.

I looked into it after you mentioned this and it seems like it's very uncommon and VW has a good record of repairing it outside of warranty.

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OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Yeah, and counting the alltrac is a stretch too--homolgation cars aren't sold for enthusiasts, they were a sunk cost to justify racing in certain classes of racing.

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