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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


AzureSkys posted:

Did his recent "Pilot Error" video get brought up putting the Aeronautical Insanity in the Attitude Indicator?


This was during the turn inbound for the approach in IMC and he didn't activate the GPS properly so he disconnected the AP, started a turn back, then stared at the GPS for a while trying to fix it while the plane continued a turning dive.

Someone else's discussion video if you don't want to give him views:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l-DSZ0zYyk&t=98s


His video link

Wait, Wagner isn't grounded or dead yet?

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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

About two years ago Jerry erased all of his videos and stopped posting for a while, then came back and suddenly everything he did was by the book and uneventful. That sounds to me like the FAA finally turned its eye on him and he got a 709 ride. (Re-examination check ride ordered where a pilot's competency is in question).

If that's what happened, although it made him less entertaining for the Internet, it probably saved his and his passengers' lives.

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 15:24 on May 30, 2023

cigaw
Sep 13, 2012
Hey man, most of us have a hard time noticing when the airplane banks 70°. Also, when landing you generally want to go down so it's only natural to not have any blue showing on the attitude indicator.

I particularly like the passenger's sudden, sharp and terrified intake of breath as Jerry disconnects the autopilot.

cigaw
Sep 13, 2012
Quote is not edit :(

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Sagebrush posted:

If that's what happened, although it made him less entertaining for the Internet, it probably saved his and his passengers' lives.

Whatever source the intervention came from, it absolutely saved lives. Dude was documenting the progression of his own normalization of deviance, and worse, he found idiot cheerleaders in Youtube comments to egg him on. Sooner or later he was going to push his luck a little too far on one of those jawdropping turns to final and stall/spin.

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

cigaw posted:

BANK ANGLE ALTERNATE MINIMUMS GLIDESLOPE TERRAIN PULL UP WOOP WOOP

Jerry can make his cockpit voice warnings sound like a Robert Altman movie.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
I can't help but feel like an unethical doctor dying in a light aircraft accident is the most stereotypical possible way for him to go

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...93b3c0001f3c0b9

quote:

YATES, N.Y. — A New York fertility doctor who was accused of using his own sperm to impregnate several patients died over the weekend when the hand-built airplane he was in fell apart mid-flight and crashed, authorities said.

Dr. Morris Wortman, 72, of Rochester, was a passenger in the experimental aircraft that went down Sunday in a pasture in Orleans County. The pilot, Earl Luce Jr., of Brockport, also was killed, according to the county sheriff.

The crash of the aircraft, identified by the National Transportation Safety Board as a Wittman W-5 Buttercup airplane, remained under investigation Tuesday.

Preliminary findings indicate that “the wings of the aircraft became detached from the fuselage and fell to the ground in an orchard,” Sheriff Christopher Bourke said in a news release Monday. The fuselage continued west for another 1,000 to 1,500 yards before crashing.

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'
It loses a few points for it not being the hand-built aircraft that he built and was flying

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007

Not too stupid

dupersaurus posted:

It loses a few points for it not being the hand-built aircraft that he built and was flying

drat, I was really hoping he did as you can still build these, but unfortunately, Manufacturer Name: LUCE EARL J JR

Earl was the other occupant.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Mortabis posted:

I can't help but feel like an unethical doctor dying in a light aircraft accident is the most stereotypical possible way for him to go

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...93b3c0001f3c0b9

That's several people's dad you're talking about

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Hadlock posted:

That's several people's dad you're talking about

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Somebody had to do the spicy take

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

Hadlock posted:

That's several people's dad you're talking about

:pusheen:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

david_a posted:

Is buying a 20 year old plane and refurbing it as a VIP transport common? I mean, the US can always afford to buy new, but I’m wondering about the rest of the world.

I'd never call JSTARS crew VIPs, but all their jets were second or third hand. Somewhere (I hope I haven't lost it) I've got an old ppt of those jets in their former lives.

edit: goddamn lol

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

Bondematt posted:

drat, I was really hoping he did as you can still build these, but unfortunately, Manufacturer Name: LUCE EARL J JR

Earl was the other occupant.

Aeronautical Insanity: Goodbye Earl

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

PhotoKirk posted:

Aeronautical Insanity: Goodbye Earl

Those bolts for the wings
They felt torqued down to me, Earl

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

https://twitter.com/kbiegel/status/1663948228440608770?s=20

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Cojawfee posted:

Those bolts for the wings
They felt torqued down to me, Earl

holy poo poo

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Cojawfee posted:

Those bolts for the wings
They felt torqued down to me, Earl

I can't find it right now, but somebody post that WW2 training film where they were erecting P-47s from hand tools so primitive they gave a rule of thumb for how tight the bolts should be for holding the wings on instead of, I dunno, a torque wrench

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noqms4AhTJA

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



This is absolutely fascinating, thank you for posting!

Just imagining the folks at Republic, workshopping how to break the Thunderbolt down for shipping, so that the components & crate can be removed in order (like combat-loading) and then, how to re-purpose whatever materials are on-hand to assemble a state-of-the-art combat aircraft in the middle of nowhere with hand tools.

Engineering a crate design for transport & to be an integral part of the re-assembly.

We were sooo good at this stuff. I like to believe that that talent and skill is still there.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Necessity is the mother of invention, we just haven’t necessited in a while.

For what it’s worth, I’ve done plenty of air and sea logistics to support remote operations, and that kind of poo poo still happens. There’s a mine mill out there with a hopper designed to fit into a 737-200C’s cargo door with an inch of clearance.

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
From the Hamilton Standard 12D40 prop (the one on the T-6) service manual.

I have been this 180 pound force. And no, I don't weigh 180. And yes, we adjusted the hanging distance to account for this.

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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Nebakenezzer posted:

I can't find it right now, but somebody post that WW2 training film where they were erecting P-47s from hand tools so primitive they gave a rule of thumb for how tight the bolts should be for holding the wings on instead of, I dunno, a torque wrench

funny you should say that because this


is exactly what a torque wrench is. (180 pounds on a 4-foot arm would be 720 pound-feet).

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jun 1, 2023

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

it's even the procedure for calibrating a torque wrench

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

They even invented the impact torque wrench!

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!
I torque all my bolts with a fish scale and weight all my fish with a torque wrench.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Nebakenezzer posted:

I can't find it right now, but somebody post that WW2 training film where they were erecting P-47s from hand tools so primitive they gave a rule of thumb for how tight the bolts should be for holding the wings on instead of, I dunno, a torque wrench

torque wrenches are expensive, heavy, need regular calibration to ensure accuracy, and are only good for one job. giant rear end wrenches are heavy, but they cost a tenth of what a torque wrench does to purchase and you need them anyway. writing a spec saying how long of a cheater bar you need to put all your weight on to torque something doesn't involve additional shipping weight, procurement costs, or tying up strategically critical skills and materials, and it's probably about as accurate as a torque wrench in the field after heavy use and rough handling without calibration.

e: so put a healthy margin for error in both the bolt and the spec and you just saved a shitload of resources in exchange for a marginal hit to weight, with the side bonus that slightly overbuilt components are generally a good thing for longevity and reliability, especially under austeure and unforseen circumstances.

Cactus Ghost fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jun 1, 2023

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Torque isn’t even what engineers care about anyway. It’s a proxy for strain in the bolt that gets used because it’s much far easier to measure.

It’s a decent proxy so long as the contacting surfaces are machined and finished and cleaned consistently, but under wartime conditions, getting torque wrenches to the grunts and keeping them in calibration should be pretty far down the list of priorities.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Follow-up: I know it was a training film & everything, but how the hell are you going to get all of the Cosmoline out from in between the cooling fins on each jug?

And I loved the guy who checked the hydraulic fluid level on the oleos with a screwdriver he just whips out of his pocket

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel

PainterofCrap posted:

Follow-up: I know it was a training film & everything, but how the hell are you going to get all of the Cosmoline out from in between the cooling fins on each jug?

And I loved the guy who checked the hydraulic fluid level on the oleos with a screwdriver he just whips out of his pocket

Gasoline is what I would guess

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
It melts at a pretty low temp and I assume would generally liquefy and run out.

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007

Not too stupid

Lightbulb Out posted:

Gasoline is what I would guess

Kerosene is typically prescribed, but yeah gas or diesel work too.

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.

Sagebrush posted:

funny you should say that because this

is exactly what a torque wrench is. (180 pounds on a 4-foot arm would be 720 pound-feet).

Moreover, 180 pounds is the average weight of the person performing the work. So the instruction is "Have Airman Jones stand on the bar while Airman Smith hits the bar with a sledge."

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Hadlock posted:

Ok so basically 250k for a Cessna 206 which is basically the Toyota Camry of airplanes. Ok thanks

I think I understand this joke, but also, looks like it seats max two? Wikipedia says there was a three seater glider variant at one point

What does the thread think of this one

https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Multi+Engine+Piston&make=GRUMMAN&model=HU-16B&listing_id=2382325&s-type=aircraft

Looks like it's mostly compatible with DC3 and B-17 engines if things go really sideways, fully water landing ready which is nice, not a lot more dosh than the Cessna

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Hadlock posted:

What does the thread think of this one

https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Multi+Engine+Piston&make=GRUMMAN&model=HU-16B&listing_id=2382325&s-type=aircraft

Looks like it's mostly compatible with DC3 and B-17 engines if things go really sideways, fully water landing ready which is nice, not a lot more dosh than the Cessna

are... are you fuckin' with us?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

I have to assume it's either a joke or Hadlock is periodically getting into the adderall. Can't think of another reason for them to be repeatedly posting about what quarter-million dollar airplane they are going to buy when they haven't even got a pilot's license.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Hadlock posted:

What does the thread think of this one

https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Multi+Engine+Piston&make=GRUMMAN&model=HU-16B&listing_id=2382325&s-type=aircraft

Looks like it's mostly compatible with DC3 and B-17 engines if things go really sideways, fully water landing ready which is nice, not a lot more dosh than the Cessna

I'm just gonna be blunt with you Hadlock but you'd have to have a dent in your head to be seriously considering buying this aircraft. Sure it's 300k to purchase, but that's only the start of your pain. Let me detail just how bad it will be for you:

-This is a really ugly example of an Albatross. Add a one in front of that price and that's how much a good one will cost...or how much it will cost you to take a bad one and make it a good one.
-You can't fly this by yourself, it's not legal. To hire a captain to fly with you for 1500 hours, until you build enough time that maybe you'll be allowed to fly it as pilot-in-command, will cost you $150-200k/year after you factor non-salary costs. To hire a first officer after that point - since again, you can't fly this aircraft single-pilot - will cost you 100k/year.
-Your fuel burn will be 120-140 gallons per hour. Avgas is currently in the neighbourhood of 7 dollars per gallon.
-Insurance for that airplane, assuming you can even get someone to insure it at all, will probably be 20-30k/year.
-Engine and prop overhauls are pricey as hell. Add another $500 per flying hour to cover the cost of those.
-Airplanes that land in water need huge amounts of maintenance. Add another $000 per flying hour to cover the cost of this.
-Storage and berthing for such an aircraft will probably run towards $100k/year, and the fun thing about that is, you have to pay it even if you don't fly!

So let's assume that you're really on top of things and you're absolutely flying a ton for a private pilot, the magical 100 hours/year. This airplane will cost you something like $6000/hr to fly. And that's probably pretty optimistic.

MrChips fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Jun 2, 2023

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
MrChips, that’s nicely spelled out and all, but I’ll cut straight to the chase here.

Do you see how the seller is “Platinum Fighter Sales”?

Yeah you’d be spending fighter money and fighter time getting it flying and keeping it flying.

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madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Get the A-26 instead.

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