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Wait, I just realized that active countermeasures for airliners are entirely the wrong way to go. Not effective, and way too expensive, with all those other complications to boot. What we need is a LO airliner.
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atomicthumbs posted:Wait, I just realized that active countermeasures for airliners are entirely the wrong way to go. Not effective, and way too expensive, with all those other complications to boot. I'm pretty sure the 787 qualifies, I know I've never seen one.
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The US is lagging behind in the development of 5th-gen airliners. Wait... can we built one with VTOL capability?
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A Melted Tarp posted:gently caress that. They are expert pilots, flying away from the crowd. Do they want all future air shows to be a 5 mile final, followed by a touch and go to pattern height? Reduced thrust takeoff, and none of that silly maximum reverse thrust, max auto brake silliness either. Use the full length, so nobody gets hurt.
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The Ferret King posted:My ears are burning. Howdy fellow Corpito. I work at the university right by the NAS its fun to spot the big planes every once in a while. I've seen state department planes land out there and once had the pleasure of watching twelve Osprey's come in for approach right over my building. I grew up around Army helicopter bases and had never heard anything like the Osprey before. A few weeks ago a C5 was doing practice flights for two days here and freaked the entire population out. People were spouting conspiracy theories about Obama and the NSA. Here's the article from local news trying to chill everyone out. http://www.kztv10.com/news/massive-cargo-plane-buzzes-over-corpus-christi/ Omnitrix fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Jul 20, 2014 |
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Fucknag posted:The US is lagging behind in the development of 5th-gen airliners. It's been done:  Lazy Sunday non-contributing image post: The special rig built for service checks on a B-36's tail:  A view from inside the B-36's tunnel:  The 1950s is amazed with itself:   
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Arming a B-36 with two nuclear weapons has always seemed to be incredibly optimistic to me...
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I like how goddamn enormous the Scorpion was. Also, in their Navy plate, how not very good the painting of the A2D is. There is still one A2D Skyshark airframe in existence, it never flew, was a radar calibration target. However, after bouncing around a bunch of godforsaken pits like Canada and Idaho it appears to have been fairly recently restored to static display on the west coast, and looks really cool, and really weird.
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Omnitrix posted:Howdy fellow Corpito. I work at the university right by the NAS its fun to spot the big planes every once in a while. I've seen state department planes land out there and once had the pleasure of watching twelve Osprey's come in for approach right over my building. I grew up around Army helicopter bases and had never heard anything like the Osprey before. A few weeks ago a C5 was doing practice flights for two days here and freaked the entire population out. People were spouting conspiracy theories about Obama and the NSA. Here's the article from local news trying to chill everyone out. Fatso was back last week as well. I was sleeping before my midnight shift on Monday and he woke me up on missed approach. I thought "huh, sounds like a C5," sleepily peeked out my window and sure enough it was. I didn't think I'd actually recognized the sound so much, it's just much bigger than anything else we work here and I figured it was a good guess.
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Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has a theory on how that jetliner went down: E: The link she includes goes to some Malaysian critcizing Israel, read that as you will Snowdens Secret fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Jul 20, 2014 |
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Fucknag posted:The US is lagging behind in the development of 5th-gen airliners. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_AW609
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Didn't NASA have some crazy VTOL testbed?
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Wikipedia posted:In 2004, Lt. Gen. Michael Hough, USMC deputy commandant for aviation, requested that Bell conduct studies into arming the AW609, potentially to act as an escort for V-22s. Haha, as if the Harrier and V-22 haven't killed enough Marines already.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has a theory on how that jetliner went down: She's the one whose father blamed some nefarious group called the "J-E-W-S" for her losing an election after she assaulted a Capitol policeman asking her for ID. Pretty sure one of these turned up in a Clive Cussler novel. It might've been the same one that featured the  Moller Skycar
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Pretty sure one of these turned up in a Clive Cussler novel. It might've been the same one that featured the Was that the one with the neo-Nazis/Fourth Reich/crystal skulls/creating a flood to kill all the ~~lesser races~~/giant-rear end ark ships/secret Antarctic nazi base? Yes Clive Cussler could have all of those in one book.
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I think I read one of his books once. It was about raising the Titanic (before they could see how broken it really is). It was...cheesy, even to teenager-me.
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Bob A Feet posted:Now to complete its tour of navy corpus it just needs to break and stay parked here for a few weeks. The Ferret King posted:most of eastern Corpus Christi/Padre Island Omnitrix posted:Howdy fellow Corpito.  I didn't realize Corpus Christi was so badass. I might need to start looking into a job down there...
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Fucknag posted:The US is lagging behind in the development of 5th-gen airliners. Well, we've already got one at Grover Level III, so VTOL can't be too hard 
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Fucknag posted:The US is lagging behind in the development of 5th-gen airliners. Wing body seats half price cuz you get to feel 3 times the Gs.
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movax posted:Was that the one with the neo-Nazis/Fourth Reich/crystal skulls/creating a flood to kill all the ~~lesser races~~/giant-rear end ark ships/secret Antarctic nazi base? Yeah the Nazi Antarctica one had the  Skycar in it, but I can't remember if the 609 was in the same novel.
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http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/watch-these-seat-soiling-crosswind-operations-from-birm-1541878105/+flyingphotog
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hobbesmaster posted:Unfortunately airliners will have transponders running so ATC can direct them which kinda makes stealth or ECM or whatever useless as the missile could just track the transponder until its close. Are there any SAM systems that actually track a transponder? Not just interrogating to prevent blue-on-blue/blue-on-white shots, but actually homing on the signal. That sounds like it would be a war crime waiting to happen.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Are there any SAM systems that actually track a transponder? Not just interrogating to prevent blue-on-blue/blue-on-white shots, but actually homing on the signal. That sounds like it would be a war crime waiting to happen. No idea, would probably be classified if they could. IFF systems have been used historically for intercepts. RAF Mosquitos would transmit interrogation codes to get German bombers to reveal their location. (Allied electronic warfare was so far ahead of the Germans it wasn't funny)
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hobbesmaster posted:No idea, would probably be classified if they could. IFF systems have been used historically for intercepts. RAF Mosquitos would transmit interrogation codes to get German bombers to reveal their location. (Allied electronic warfare was so far ahead of the Germans it wasn't funny) I need to hear more about this. WWII and 'electronic warfare' are two things you rarely hear in the same sentence.
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WW2 was when Radar, and then immediately afterward, electronic warfare were invented. Radio direction finding, Chaff, active and passive electronic warfare were all pioneered then.
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simplefish posted:http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/watch-these-seat-soiling-crosswind-operations-from-birm-1541878105/+flyingphotog Cool vid but must just have been a windy day, I don't think it's any windier in Birmingham than elsewhere in the UK.
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YF19pilot posted:I need to hear more about this. WWII and 'electronic warfare' are two things you rarely hear in the same sentence. IFF was a critical part of Britain's IADS. The system I was referring to was code named "perfecto", you can see a full list of various equipment here. Most of the British electronics equipment was developed by TRE (later RRE).
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MRC48B posted:WW2 was when Radar, and then immediately afterward, electronic warfare were invented. This stuff is more or less common knowledge, especially with the D-Day invasions (Pathfinders, using Chaff to mask the airborne assault), radar being the vital key to the Battle of Britain, and beyond that I knew about radar being used in night fighters by both the UK and Germans at least. IFF and 'interrogating' enemy IFF is a new one by me anyways.
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The battle of the beams is the name given to the first days of EW and corresponds to electronic warfare and counter warfare during the battle of Britain. The wiki page is really interesting, it'd be nice to find a good book on the technology and how it was used. I've never seen anything on post 1941.
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Captain Postal posted:The battle of the beams is the name given to the first days of EW and corresponds to electronic warfare and counter warfare during the battle of Britain. The wiki page is really interesting, it'd be nice to find a good book on the technology and how it was used. I've never seen anything on post 1941. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA90045E1ACC8271E
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Are there any SAM systems that actually track a transponder? Not just interrogating to prevent blue-on-blue/blue-on-white shots, but actually homing on the signal. That sounds like it would be a war crime waiting to happen. I don't know if such a thing exists, but it's absolutely possible. There are a ton of anti-radiation missiles; HARM for example. Pick your freq.
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Godholio posted:I don't know if such a thing exists, but it's absolutely possible. There are a ton of anti-radiation missiles; HARM for example. Pick your freq. Yeah but doesn't a transponder only radiate when its interrogated?
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MRC48B posted:WW2 was when Radar, and then immediately afterward, electronic warfare were invented. This is true. The night-bomber war placed a large emphasis on electronics. My personal favorite device from this era was basically a microphone and a transmitter: the microphone was inside the engine bay on a Lancaster bomber, and the transmitter would broadcast the engine noise on German night-fighter frequencies.
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Godholio posted:I don't know if such a thing exists, but it's absolutely possible. There are a ton of anti-radiation missiles; HARM for example. Pick your freq. I always wondered why there wasn't an anti AWACS ARM missile, but then... 
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Crosspost from the horrible mechanical failures thread...
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Bob A Feet posted:Yeah but doesn't a transponder only radiate when its interrogated? Yes, and TCAS systems interrogate them (and themselves radiate).
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Boat posted:Crosspost from the horrible mechanical failures thread... That's a fail and a half. Looks like the whole plane shifted, seeing how the left landing gear are bent the wrong way.
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Boat posted:Crosspost from the horrible mechanical failures thread... What even happened there? And is that salvageable?
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Boat posted:Crosspost from the horrible mechanical failures thread... Jesus christ how does that even happen? It's in a hangar for gods sake.
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Boat posted:Crosspost from the horrible mechanical failures thread... I have no words. That's... that's insanity.
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