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inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

When they do one of these mass scrambles is there a set takeoff order or is the first to get moving the one who goes first? Wouldn't want to be tail end charlie if the balloon had gone up for real...

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inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Godholio posted:

F-22 Raptor II (RIP NovaLogic)
F-22 Lightning (it wasn't named Raptor in the UK) #3 was great- turn off weapon limits, ripple off 6x B61, eject into the mushroom clouds & survive :smug:

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

hectik posted:

my most played sim before adulthood was F-29 Retaliator,

Oh man, that was the first game I ever played on my Amiga circa 1988 or so, unfortunately the version I had was bugged to poo poo. Pretty impressive for it's time that enemy aircraft could pop flares which actually worked too.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

CharlesM posted:

I wonder what's written on the glass. I presume that's what I see in the sky?


The short-lived Japanese flak sky-writing team?

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Linedance posted:

Well, Jet-A more or less is diesel. At least, you can run Jet-A in a diesel. Don't actually know if you can go the other way.

The Harrier's Pegasus engine could run on Diesel, although it reduced the engine life to around 10 hours - it's rather sobering to hear former crews matter-of-factly saying that if things had got to the stage that they were scrounging fuel from the gas tanks in farmyards, then their life expectancy was likely less than that 10 hours anyway :ohdear:

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

StandardVC10 posted:

Man, I kind of wish the Nimrod MRA4 had gone through just so I could have something to point to as "here, this is the strangest airplane in the world today."

Nimrod is in your 6 o'clock and would like to have a word...



Bonus points to anyone who knows the reason for it being equipped with the Sidewinder.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

BIG HEADLINE posted:

So it could be used against other long-range patrol aircraft, which likely/generally wouldn't have an escort. If you put yourself between a recon/ASW Bear and its home base, they've got a real dilemma. AIM-9 beats 23mm.

The P-3 (and I'd imagine the P-8) also has the *ability* to carry and use a Sidewinder, but past a single image of it carrying one along with basically every other piece of armament it could carry, I don't think it was standard practice.

NightGyr posted:

The story I heard is that they actually encountered Argentinian patrol aircraft out over the ocean, and neither was armed. The Nimrod was quickly retrofitted with sidewinders to make sure it's prepared for the next encounter.

Indeed, an Argentine 707 was shadowing the Royal Navy task force and after it and a Nimrod ended up sharing the same airspace some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to at least try to have a pop at it, so the Nimrod was cleared for the Aim-9 in very short order. Unfortunately as the 707 was faster and had a higher cruise height they never got chance to fire one in anger, and the 707 flights ceased once word of the new capability got out.
I imagine one converted 50's airliner getting a kill on another converted 50's airliner would have made for one of the more unusual air-to-air victories in history at least?
Later on it was considered a useful capability should the Nimrods, which were operating pretty close to the Argentine coast at times, come across a Hercules/Neptune etc. Whilst I'm sure they had no intentions to mix it with a Mirage, the test aircraft for the modification got a Sidewinder tone on a Phantom which was dumb enough to get low n' slow with them...
Supposedly AMRAAM was being considered as a future option for the MRA4 as the radar & weapons bus were capable of handling it :britain:

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Slo-Tek posted:

Searchlight, for SAR operations.

...and scaring the poo poo out of drug-runners in speedboats, apparently.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBwEFz_WIdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxLg2iRkOdQ

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

MrYenko posted:

I watched this with the sound muted, and I'm still sympathetically deaf.

:black101:
:britain:

Having been lucky enough to see the Vulcan display a few times in the early 90's, I can only imagine how awesome it would have been to watch a Black Buck raid take off - 11 Victors & 2 Vulcans in close succession :psyduck:

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

DesperateDan posted:

AFAIK the Red Arrows fly purpose built non combat capable specially uprated engine Hawks
The Red Arrows Hawks were definitely combat capable up until the early-90's, when the aircraft would have had a point defence role if WW3 had kicked off, not sure when it was discontinued - there are plenty of pics of them flying with Sidewinders & gun pod mounted. Hopefully they'd have had chance to re-paint them before Ivan turned up.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015
How many aircraft were damaged as a result of static discharge from all that Polyester?

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

StandardVC10 posted:

Film it in Iran. :v:

Kilmer gets offed in the first 20 minutes during a daredevil midair hijack of an Iranian 747 Tanker, bit like fatboy Seagal in Executive Decision.

Anyway, no James Tolkan, no movie as far as I'm concerned. They'll probably cast Tom Skerritt as the President.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015
In-cockpit footage from the Avenger that had to perform an emergency landing during the VE day flypast in Washington, some excellent notes on the sequence of events & lessons learned (always handy to have your divert airfield so close by too I imagine):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkvcwXqBJDQ

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

MrYenko posted:

I'd say it's even money that they've actually considered this.

There were some plans to station a Type 45 Destroyer on the Thames during the 2012 Olympics as SAM cover, instead they made do with a helicopter carrier & stationing Rapier batteries on top of tower blocks. The 'logic' of potentially downing a hiacked aircraft over London has been discussed at length elsewhere :jihad:

JingleBells posted:

The Telegraph need better plane spotters:

:ssh: It's a Hurricane

I guarantee the journo got it right and it was a loving sub-editor who 'corrected' it.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

freelop posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_8mdH20qTQ

Be sure to check for stowaways before flight.

:catdrugs:

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Note how close that Tornado gets to its shadow at times :aaa:

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

hobbesmaster posted:

"Not allowed" does not mean "physically impossible"

Indeed, I've been on a Ryanair flight where the seatbelt lights had been on for a long while due to turbulence, someone got up and went to the toilet, flight attendents did nothing. Soon there was a queue. Flight attendents still did nothing.
Thought about complaining but it's Ryanair so I imagine their reply would have simply been an image of Michael O'Leary's raised middle finger.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015
There are worse ways to be photobombed on your wedding day: http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/local/vulcan-photobombs-scarborough-couple-s-wedding-1-7334129

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Henderson field...short takeoff/landing...747... somewhere someone from the Marines Corps saw that and is having some very wrong ideas right now

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

monkeytennis posted:


You can have a good look at a Shack at Newark Air Museum. They even let you get inside. It's like some steampunk version of an E3 inside, all valves and Bakelite.

Thanks to the Nimrod AEW debacle the Shackleton AEW was still flying in '91, imagine having to go to war in one of those against Flankers & Foxhounds. The high-tone deafness crews ended up with due to lack of soundproofing was an added bonus.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

SybilVimes posted:

At least you still have tankers...

We in the UK decided that, much like we don't need planes for our carriers, we don't need tankers to refuel our short-ish range fighters, so scrapped all our VC10 K3/K4s and Tristar K1s before having a replacement (A330 MRTT) ready.

Going off on a tangent but the story of the 1960's RAF trying to run their equivalent of CHROME DOME for one day/one aircraft as an exercise is utterly :psyduck: I'll have to see if I can dig it up.
Amusing Cold War stories abound of Lightnings & Phantoms going U/S so the Victor or VC10 QRA tanker ended up having to intercept a Bear or Badger.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Eej posted:

I feel like there's a story behind this or at least a light reprimand.

http://imgur.com/gallery/0Abr1Hf

e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ba2wWgc8cU nice

Penny Benjamin?

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Party Plane Jones posted:

Somebody bought Spain's Ciudad Real airport for 10,000 euro at auction.

It was built for over a billion. :stare:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33578949

spanisheconomy.txt

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Duke Chin posted:

faith and begorrah, Liam, just what... in the hell... are ye dooooin?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8KNQ4bL-w


I'm no aviator, but that does not seem a pertinent place to land a helicopter. Total brain donor.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Tsuru posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekyaGl95P24

Glad I got to see this. Stood right next to it when it started up and took off for its display, and when it passed in formation with the Reds for the first time literally everyone on the base stood up and applauded. It was surreal.

Full display here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-9uZjg1Tg
Apparently they received a stern, 'don't do that again' for the takeoff, bit of a moot point all things considered!

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

monkeytennis posted:

It's the last year of flying for XH558 so I think they're getting the most out of her!

Bear in mind all this hot dogging is with an aircraft being nursed to the end of it's fatigue life & with a shedload of restrictions on what it can 'do', I imagine a lot of fun was had with Vulcans back in the day - the prototype being barrel-rolled at Farnborough springs to mind.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

so loving future posted:

V-Series bombers: truly, things only a mother could love.

Pistols at dawn for that slight, you bounder :britain:

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

SybilVimes posted:

Oh god, that distinctive howl as the olympuses are throttled to full, I hadn't heard that for 30 years... :fap:

Was lucky enough to catch it last weekend when it was at Elvington, fairly sedate compared to the RIAT display but great to see it one last time. My two year old was amazed, even if she insisted it was a 'helicopter'.

david_a posted:

Is the howl due to resonance like on the F-104? Concorde didn't sound like that from the videos I've found.

F-15s do it too, only at a certain angle & distance in my experience.

inkjet_lakes fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Aug 17, 2015

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

The things I'd give to see that same image but of Donald Trump's stupid plane being struck instead.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Colonial Air Force posted:

Good to see if they have NIMBYs in the UK too.

The RAF base nearest to me has been there since 1937 & only flies a few Tucanos, yet they have constant problems with people who have moved to the area without doing their research and are perturbed by the noise. Woe betide they'd lived there in the 80's when there were dozens of Jet Provosts coming & going during the week & shitloads of night flying.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

EF-117?

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Enourmo posted:

KF-117, for refueling the drones in secret.

Reminded me of that stupid, 'Russia are building a stealth transport plane!!11!!' article from a while back, which led my train of thought to: AC-117 :black101:

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

rocket_350 posted:

There are only three Handley Page Halifax bombers left. Two of those have been pulled out of Norwegian lakes. The third was built from sections of different aircraft.


That third one lives near me, ex-chicken coop fuselage and all: http://yorkshireairmuseum.org/exhibits/aircraft-exhibits/world-war-two-aircraft/handley-page-halifax-iii/
Fairly sure part of the tailplane was being used as a shed roof too

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015
In further things with wings near me news, we had our weekly Osprey fly-over earlier, slightly weird that they're the military aircraft I see most often in spite of living in Northern England - night flying currency flight or something? One of them was barely visible but the other was lit up like christmas, rotor tips glowing in the light and all.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Tremblay posted:

Agreed, it's awesome.

Also from the BBC, 'The Nazis - a Warning from History' is superb, albeit utterly chilling at times, kindly old octogenarians confessing to war crimes on camera, women being multiple-raped by both sides and other such joys.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

david_a posted:

I noticed that the wings on the BAC TSR-2 looked hilariously small for how big it is so I looked up the landing speed. I didn't find any particularly authoritative sources, but according to this the landing speed was only 130 knots!?

To be fair, if it had been used for it's intended war role needing to land again would probably have been a moot point.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Phanatic posted:

Guy almost endos in his Hurricane but gets it landed minus a tire (and probably half the wheel, judging from the sparks):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3uMDlp2dw0

Enjoying the contrast between Hurricane and the Dreamlifter in the background

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Koesj posted:

JP-233 was used to good effect in the early stages of Desert Storm.

Not sure they'd have fared as well flying directly over Warpac runways with a fireworks display lit under their fuselage

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inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Psion posted:

the blankets on that An-124.
Is that a fax machine on the table?

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