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Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Has there ever been a fighter who cleared up a massive hole in his game? I always hear about grapplers working on their boxing or whatever, but the second they get hit in the face they revert back to the stuff they started out with.

# ¿ Sep 18, 2011 15:59

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 15:47

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

I just watched Saku/Renzo and Renzo struck me as the most complete fighter out of the Gracie brood. Are there any particularly good fights of his I should check out?

# ¿ Sep 26, 2011 21:56

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Why do Chute Boxe guys spar like they're fighting to the death? I thought light sparring was the thing in modern MMA.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2011 22:12

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Is there reliable source for non-UFC fighter pay info?

# ¿ Nov 3, 2011 17:45

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

We've had discussions about why 12-6 elbows and four-point attacks are banned in the Unified Rules, but I'm curious as to why shoes are banned. Mark Coleman's been quoted as saying that wrestling shoes gave him a lot more power when grappling, but I don't know if the ban was as straightforward as that would suggest.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2011 16:28

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

MassRayPer posted:

That was kind of the point. A big reason UFC came into being was to prove the superiority of BJJ to the American audience. They didn't want to recruit elite wrestlers early on, especially for the first tournaments.

In the best of all possible universes we post about four-time UFC tournament champion Kazuyuki Fujita.

# ¿ Nov 25, 2011 14:40

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Xguard86 posted:

its from when they trained with the brazilian national team. Its 70's as hell. I know its in the big Gracies history book but I don't know where to find the pic online.

Please tell me the Gracie Tackle was born in that crucible.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2011 19:48

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

I know there are some guys who want to bring back knees to the head of grounded fighters. What's the reasoning behind that?

# ¿ Feb 22, 2012 21:33

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

The Coleman talk in the UFC thread got me googling, I found this and had to know which goon wrote it.

quote:

Lemme tell you a true story.

Back in early 2004, I was impersonating Wes Sims for a few months as part of a bet. So me and The Hammer, we're going to Ikea, cause he needs to buy a chair, right? Nothing fancy, just a simple office chair with good lumbar support, cause he'd hurt his back a little fighting Fedor. So we're in Ikea, looking through all the Bjorns and Karls and Fingords and whatever the gently caress else they call the loving furniture, and Coleman's hopping in and out of the little display models, stretching and going "UUUURGH" and all "I don't like this one, these arms are gonna piss me off if I buy this and stuff". Eventually we settle on one, I forget which, and we go looking for a member of staff. We find one, pimply little motherfucker, and he's all "Uh I'll need to go get a forklift driver cause it's kinda heavy" and, well, Mark is obviously a strong dude and we don't wanna wait cause we gotta go get our Swedish Meatball on, so we go with this dude to the warehouse, and we're gonna carry the chair ourselves, y'know? And that's when it goes bad. Somewhere on the other side of the warehouse, some numbnuts drops something, BANG, just like that.

And Mark lets instinct take over.

First victim is the pimply kid, cause I'd gotten used to Coleman by this point and got a pallet jack between me and him as soon as I heard the bang. The kid, obviously not too wise on his PRIDE, takes it like a sandbag, straight down, his head hitting the concrete floor like a canteloupe. Pretty grody. Mark realises what he's done, and obviously he's pretty stressed, and for some hosed up reason there's, like, sixty display chairs and tables set up in the warehouse, must be about to be taken out to the shop floor for a display, except he doesn't see that, he just sees a forest of legs, all of them in pairs. It was like watching a bull slew through a bunch of paraplegics, I tell you. He's just BAM, double leg, BAM, double leg, BAM, double leg, shouting and bellowing the whole way. He gasses after his first five or six, but keeps BAM double legging them, for a whole twenty minutes. Last thing I remember of that godawful carnage, as I booked it out of a back door and the cops arrive, is a mental image, startling in its clarity still, of Mark Coleman doing the whizzer on a BERTIL, his face as orange as Hell's own glow.

It took a few cops to bring him in, of course. Eventually one of them made sergeant by screaming "THIS IS K-1 RULES!" in his face and cuffing him while he was confused. The trial was called off when the jury all got mysteriously injured a few days before, and the judge didn't post his arm correctly and dislocated his elbow. The only reporter foolhardy enough to try and cover the story got as far as "Noted cage fighter Mark "The Hamme"" before getting double-legged right through his own desk. As for me? Well, I won my bet. Easiest sixteen bucks I ever made.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2012 03:17

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

15 of the 16 guys in a K-1 GP would come out losing, but still managed to stay relevant to the fans. Was this because of the quality of the fights, or did K-1 do anything special to rebuild their brands?

# ¿ Mar 22, 2012 18:41

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

The promotions booking Bob Sapp are looking for a freakshow bodybuilder who can make their hometown guy look like a thunderpunching god of war for fifteen seconds and send the crowd home happy. He delivers every single time.

# ¿ May 13, 2012 15:26

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

cisneros posted:

I wish he didn't do that crying thing, though.

Someone hasn't seen Cro Cop/Sapp enough times.

# ¿ May 14, 2012 01:17

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Bendo is a good man & cool guy unafraid to hang out with his mom.

# ¿ May 18, 2012 12:40

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Saku's fight with Vernon White gets me wondering sometimes because there are a few points where you can see Vernon get ready to throw a strike, then catch himself and hold off. If you read between the lines, Quadros and Bas talk about it some in the commentary.

e: Of course Sakuraba ended up paying penance after Sakakibara decided it would be aces to legalize four-point attacks, ensuring that Saku would spend the next ten years being kneed in the skull by men twice his size.

Julio Cesar Fatass fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Jun 4, 2012

# ¿ Jun 4, 2012 13:44

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Watch Silva/Oyama again. PRIDE didn't need guys to do worked finishes when the ref could just call the match as soon as he had an excuse. And is it really hard to believe that fighters whose total martial arts experience consisted of wearing panties and learning the crossface chickenwing from a guy who knew a guy who knew Karl Gotch would get ground into sausage by dudes who could actually fight?

# ¿ Jun 4, 2012 21:23

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Steve Glutenberg posted:

The coolest part of Crocop vs Dos Caras Jr is that in a pre-fight interview somebody asked him if he was going to wear a mask and he was like "of course not, I wouldn't be able to see properly"

Clearly the explanation for all this was that after Bas and the American cameras left the locker room, Satoru Sayama burst in holding a katana to Mil Mascaras' windpipe.

e: For shits and giggles, here is Minowaman gambling that his gameplan of "just like Sakuraba, except much much worse" will be what's needed to dethrone prime Wandy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9jLNOz6i-E

Julio Cesar Fatass fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jun 6, 2012

# ¿ Jun 6, 2012 00:21

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

CVagts posted:

Something I heard recently was a scenario where they would tell one guy that it was a work and pay him a little more, but the other guy would have no idea. Like if I were facing Crocop, and I knew it was a work, they would tell me not to hit him too hard, and the first time he threw something hard, I should go down and stay down, so for all he knew, it was real. Any idea how frequently something like that was?

That sounds much more manageable and likely than a guy going down and staying down because he's never been in a real fight before and the hardest hitter in the promotion just broke his brain in half with a roundhouse kick.

e: Seriously, just watch some of those old events. Careers were ending left and right because pro wrestling isn't a real martial art and acting like it is will get you killed when Igor Vovchanchyn is standing in front of you.

Julio Cesar Fatass fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jun 8, 2012

# ¿ Jun 8, 2012 04:24

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Who has the best muay thai in MMA?

# ¿ Jun 24, 2012 17:20

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

eine dose socken posted:

long pants kickboxing.

Yes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkhE4IqV_Hs

# ¿ Jun 26, 2012 16:31

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

I like to imagine that the PRIDE tape library Zuffa bought has everything intact and that Joe Silva spends his afternoons eating cocoa pebbles, watching the pre-show pump up trailers and hugging his Kazushi Sakuraba Wrestling Buddy

# ¿ Aug 5, 2012 17:04

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Belle Isle Tech posted:

I just want to know who's face I have to shove my money into so I can watch all of them.

Sady its a fair certainty that the only other people who get to watch them are the conga line of escorts running into One CTE Place.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2012 23:43

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Captain Log posted:

Last I heard, he was seen galloping into the sunset with his hips firmly lodged above his head. Or something like that.

Where in God's name did you get your avatar?

# ¿ Oct 9, 2012 16:40

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Halloween Jack posted:

Personally, I think the media likes talking about roid rage and TBI as a cause of athletes committing violent acts because it lets them ignore talking about a culture that raises star athletes to think they're demigods unconstrained by reality.

TBI has gone from a medical issue to a media narrative and it's a little sickening.

Chexoid posted:

Not yet, but Penn's decided to be the first.

That's just mean

# ¿ Dec 3, 2012 22:55

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

MMA fighters still spar, though, and that's where most of the damage builds up for fighters. Ali took some beatings in the ring, but he also let his sparring partners knock the poo poo out of him daily for years.

Pernell Whitaker's another good case. Dude was slick as snot in the ring, but still got TBI tragically young

# ¿ Dec 4, 2012 05:32

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

LobsterMobster posted:

also isolated case - Donald SUH-ROH-NAY

There's also footage of Guillard getting knocked on his rear end by a hook at Jackson's.

I'm definitely glad to hear that gym wars are out of fashion in MMA. Too many boxing trainers think that having young guys tear each other to pieces is a replacement for teaching actual skills.

e:

BlindSite posted:

Ali had like 70 total fights including amateur, all of that was getting thumped in the head probably at a greater intensity.

Not disputing that a lot of fights fucks you up. What I'm saying is that sparring does a lot of damage simply because of how much of it there is in a fighter's career.

Julio Cesar Fatass fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Dec 4, 2012

# ¿ Dec 4, 2012 13:57

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Is ROIDTECH the video at all related to ROIDTECH the poster?

# ¿ Dec 26, 2012 21:58

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

david carmichael posted:

yes. ROIDTECH the poster is kevin randleman's little brother, brevin randleman

Astonishing!

# ¿ Dec 26, 2012 23:27

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Definitely watch The Smashing Machine. You don't need to know anything about mma to enjoy it, and you'll get a close look at one of the all-time great events in mma history.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2013 15:39

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

MycroftXXX posted:

The film "Choke" starts as a documentary about Rickson Gracie and some kickboxer that wanted to be an Olympic bob sledder, but it is actually about one of MMA's early heroes and utter badasses Yuki Nakai.

Please don't discount the entertainment value of huckster, kickboxer and Tulsa icon Dale "Apollo" Cook.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2013 20:36

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

LordPants posted:

Some boxing questions:

1) Standing eight count, did they get rid of it? If so, why?

2) What are all these "International" and "Intercontinental" titles in boxing? What is their purpose, what are they for?

1) Depends on the commission

2) Promoters want to have "champions" on their cards, so they encourage organizing bodies to create new titles. The organizations then charge the title holders regular fees to keep the belts. Everyone gets paid except the fighters, who are ripped off. Business as usual for boxing.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2013 07:36

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

I danged loud and proud when I was bodylock'd in my takedown class. I like to think Kevin gets a dollar every time that happens.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2013 19:00

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

fatherdog posted:

When you consider the fact that Bas was a striker with absolutely zero wrestling who learned grappling initially by watching earlier matches on shows he was fighting on, the fact that he had the career he had is a massive overachievement.

Bas Rutten's Harley Davidson Keys to Victory

BING
BANG
BADDA BOP
hydrocodone by the God-damned handful

# ¿ Mar 19, 2013 19:41

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Bas on Joe Rogan's podcast was actually interesting, if for no other reason than Joe trying to make sense of Bas and his autodidact madman grappling methods.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2013 15:55

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

1st AD posted:

Do headguards actually prevent knockouts? I've always thought that at best they just impair your peripheral vision, which probably leads to more concussions due to you not seeing punches coming at you.

Research shows that headgear blunts the impact to your head.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2013 19:43

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

I don't have the link to the abstract handy, but it was a study from the Cleveland Clinic. They found that headgear does a good job blunting force from in-line impacts, not so good a job with impacts caused by rotation.

# ¿ Apr 2, 2013 01:42

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

When a fighter is lying supine and immobile on the mat it's usually a sign that Herb Dean is about to tackle a motherfucker

# ¿ Apr 15, 2013 16:26

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Fat Twitter Man posted:

I like how people say PRIDE rules didn't favor wrestlers when they've never considered the implications of knees to the head on the ground. Just from our most recent UFC wrestling vs jiujitsu stinker, as awful as his striking is, Phil Davis would have just soccer kicked Magalhaes to oblivion in their fight if the unified rules didn't force him to follow Vinny down every time he got a takedown.

That Sakuraba's first fight with Wand coincided with PRIDE allowing four-point attacks is the greatest tragedy the island nation has ever suffered.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2013 03:03

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

-Atom- posted:

Has there ever been an instance of a fighter cornering someone and later fighting on the same card?

The closest thing to that I'm aware of was Mark Schultz at UFC 9.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2013 18:59

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Captain Log posted:

I miss my blue dumpy Fedor av.

That's right, I said it.

It always blew my mind that Paul Pot of all people got the blue Coleman av.

# ¿ Aug 23, 2013 15:09

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 15:47

Julio Cesar Fatass: Jul 24, 2007; "...."

Ditch posted:

What's the deal with Thonglor? All I know is he had a meaningless career and was apparently a mediocre Muay Thai coach for TAM (judging by their improvement as the Bangzilians), but where does the gambling stuff come from and why does he get so much attention here?

1. He is the wacky uncle from a 1994 children's sports movie and

2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnhkprwRh5M

# ¿ Sep 22, 2013 16:50

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