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LeoMarr posted:Lol if you actually think the "iraqi army" are the ones doing the heavy lifting in the liberation. Its shiite militias propped by iranian weapons and us air support. The shiites are conducting a proto sectarian war against the sunnis. The government canmot control 75% of the units that are conducting policing and conventional reconquest. This is bad as hell. Once isis is gone then you will see sunnis beimg deported to syria so Assad can gas them and hang them. 10 yers from nowne will be looking at shiits 50% 50% demographs sunni shiite populations in tikrit and akashat Are you high, the heavy fighting in mosul is being done by thr ISF
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Al-Saqr posted:ok pack it in you guys Maliki and everything him and his death squads who are the exact same people in Hashd never happened nothing between 2008 and 2014 happened that may have contributed to ISIS coming out. Like they flip that drat coin flag over and it's a rainbow lol
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LeoMarr posted:Lol if you actually think the "iraqi army" are the ones doing the heavy lifting in the liberation. Its shiite militias propped by iranian weapons and us air support. The shiites are conducting a proto sectarian war against the sunnis. The government canmot control 75% of the units that are conducting policing and conventional reconquest. The PMU is not 75% of the ISF (they consist of about a third of the total ISF ground forces, afaik) and they absolutely are not the ones doing the heavy lifting today- hell, that isn't even the regular "Iraqi Army", the (successful) active combat operations in Mosul is almost entirely carried out by a few thousand special forces like the Iraqi CTs or RDF while the other 90k participating in the mosul op secure the gains they fight for or clear villages and escape routes like the Hashd In an ideal world the PMU and other private militias wouldn't exist, they're obviously a liability once the fighting stops, but if the PMU hadn't coalesced in 2014, regardless of whether it was as a result of Sistani's fatwa or not, there would be fighting in the streets of Baghdad today, not Mosul.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Just lmao if you apologise for Chetniks and Ustase. what does that ukrainian nazi woman who's canada's defense minister and NATO attache have to say about it?
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icantfindaname posted:what does that ukrainian nazi woman who's canada's defense minister and NATO attache have to say about it? What the gently caress are you prattling about?
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Canada's defense minister is a man and a Sikh. Harjit Sajjan I deduce you're talking about Foreign Affairs minister Chrystia Freeland who has an Ukrainian grandfather who was editor-in-chief of a paper in Nazi-occupied Krakow. She's a Federal Liberal, so any position will be designed to be as vague and non-committal as possible.
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OhFunny posted:Today is Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day. Not in Turkey!
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Not in Turkey! The last American president to anger Turkey by calling their mass killings genocide was Ronald Reagan. 
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OhFunny posted:The last American president to anger Turkey by calling their mass killings genocide was Ronald Reagan. And that was only because he had dementia and forgot Turkey was a member of NATO.
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icantfindaname posted:what does that ukrainian nazi woman who's canada's defense minister and NATO attache have to say about it? ecureuilmatrix posted:Canada's defense minister is a man and a Sikh. Harjit Sajjan Those are pretty close!
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Torpor posted:Those are pretty close! well, being a NATO-allied defense minister i'm sure means he has his own rabbit hole of terrible opinions
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khwarezm posted:The Shia Militias of Iraq I've read enough stuff over the years to get the sense of their lawlessness in places like Baghdad, they seem to already be straining the idea of being corralled by conventional police and military already. e: LeoMarr posted:Lol if you actually think the "iraqi army" are the ones doing the heavy lifting in the liberation. Its shiite militias propped by iranian weapons and us air support. The shiites are conducting a proto sectarian war against the sunnis. The government canmot control 75% of the units that are conducting policing and conventional reconquest. This is bad as hell. Once isis is gone then you will see sunnis beimg deported to syria so Assad can gas them and hang them. 10 yers from nowne will be looking at shiits 50% 50% demographs sunni shiite populations in tikrit and akashat Golden Division and other parts of the Iraqi military have lost like half their numbers in places like Mosul, you can't not take into account how much they're sacrifiicing in the last year or so. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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An interesting development in France today: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/business/lafarge-ceo-syria-cement.html http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lafargeholcim-syria-olsen-idUSKBN17Q0E4 quote:LafargeHolcim (LHN.S) Chief Executive Eric Olsen will leave the company in July after the world's largest cement maker admitted on Monday it had paid armed groups to keep a factory operating in war-ravaged Syria. An independent internal inquiry found protection payments made to intermediaries to keep open the Jalabiya plant in northern Syria were not in line with its policies. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-24/lafargeholcim-ceo-olsen-to-leave-in-july-hess-to-be-interim-ceo  This is of course the same cement plant that the YPG/FSA/Euphrates Volcano took over in April 2015: https://twitter.com/bosnjoboy/status/588656320103976960?lang=en quote:#Syrian Burkan Firat (#FSA/#YPG) members in Lafarge cement plant, partially destroyed, #Kobane #TwitterKurds And the same plant that is now an airbase for US helicopters and SOF: https://twitter.com/KabirTaneja/status/840113386184617984 quote:Now, from few hours ago, alleged pic of US Special Operations Forces (SOF) choppers at Lafarge's cement factory in #Syria. 2/2  Maybe Lafarge's CEO should stick around, I'm sure the US wouldn't mind them building even more airbases for the coalition to use. 
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Seems SDF cleared that pocket north of Raqqa and linked up the front https://twitter.com/arabthomness/status/856564257219117056 https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/856550134393577472
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Tonight Turkey carried out air strikes against Kurdish targets in Syria and Iraq, including YPG military HQs and infrastructure (an FM radio station destroyed by rockets, among other targets). Dead and wounded confirmed by Kurd sources. http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mi...tern-syria.ashx http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=14076
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steinrokkan posted:Tonight Turkey carried out air strikes against Kurdish targets in Syria and Iraq, including YPG military HQs and infrastructure (an FM radio station destroyed by rockets, among other targets). Dead and wounded confirmed by Kurd sources.  US is definitely not happy about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/67frr1/coalition_representatives_visiting_karachox_where/ Coalition representatives visiting Karachox, where turkish airstrikes hit: https://twitter.com/MHJournalist/status/856821910478479360 quote:القيادي شاهين جيلو وقائد قوات التحالف الدولي في سوريا https://twitter.com/mutludc/status/856812158742671360 quote:YPG commanders and Coalition representatives visited Karachox where Turkish airstrikes hit last night
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https://twitter.com/BarzanSadiq/status/856848707119087616 More US forces setting up in Iraq, this time in the west, fairly close to IS held territory https://twitter.com/A7_Mirza/status/856795767348088832 Iraqi joint operations has announced the beginning of the catchily named Muhammad Rasul al-Allah (the Shahada thing?) Operation, carried out by PMU forces to the south of Mosul with the aim to liberate the Al-Khathir region (pictured in the tweet) and with further plans to move towards Baaj and the Iraqi-Syrian border line once that is completed. Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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http://english.almanar.com.lb/247641quote:Russia has restored its 2015 memorandum of understanding on Syrian air operations with the United States at the request of US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Russia’s Izvestia newspaper reported Tuesday.
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Glad to see Turkey helping with the ISIS fight.
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Bohemian Nights posted:the catchily named Muhammad Rasul al-Allah (the Shahada thing?) Operation Just means "Prophet Muhammad". Pretty dumb name for a military operation but given how everyone wants to name everything Muhammad I guess it's to be expected.
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I know this isn't about the Middle East but the SE Asian thread is pretty dead, does anyone know more about this or have a source about it that isn't The Intercept? Trump’s Indonesian Allies In Bed With ISIS-Backed Militia Seeking to Oust Elected President quote:Associates of Donald Trump in Indonesia have joined army officers and a vigilante street movement linked to ISIS in a campaign that ultimately aims to oust the country’s president. According to Indonesian military and intelligence officials and senior figures involved in what they call “the coup,” the move against President Joko Widodo (known more commonly as Jokowi), a popular elected civilian, is being impelled from behind the scenes by active and retired generals.
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The connection to Trump is hella weak, and Minarman is apparently investigated by the police, the rest seems like familiar bruising SE politics to me. The Intercept to me has been continuosly disappointing.
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Apparently the YPG Media Center took a big hit. https://twitter.com/Tekosin87/status/856878687265976320
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Yadoppsi posted:I know this isn't about the Middle East but the SE Asian thread is pretty dead, does anyone know more about this or have a source about it that isn't The Intercept? If there's one thing I've learned in the last week it's that high-ranking military personnel really like WhatsApp.
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DrPop posted:Apparently the YPG Media Center took a big hit. Erdogan is such a complete bitch.
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Saladin Rising posted:Oh hey not even one day and Erdogan's already doing asinine stuff. Not necessarily super important, but I have a stupid eye for modern military hardware and a decent background knowledge of the units currently using them, so - Check out homeboy's gun.  It's a Flat Dark Earth HK416 with a Geissele Automatics rail on the front end. There's only one unit that uses them in that configuration, as seen again in this picture from Africa from a while back:  That's a CAG guy - or SFOD-D, or Delta Force. If CAG was working nearby or even out of that compound, they've got to be loving pissed right now. E: More photos surfacing. I have to imagine if CAG guys are walking around inspecting damage, they were in / around the areas that got hit. This is absolutely not in their normal line of work. Turkey likely just bombed America's Tier 1 Faceshooters.  
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Looks like Erdogan/Turkey did this completely on their own dime: https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/856940363638071298 quote:Turkish jets bombed Kurdish military forces in northern Iraq and northern Syria early Tuesday, US Defense officials say - @ckubeNBC I can't even imagine how pissed the Mattis/McMaster/the Pentagon are behind closed doors right now. E: Oh the irony, Turkey did the same thing the US did to Shayrat Airbase: https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/856923599952805889 quote:Turkey gave US & Russia 1 hour notice before 24 fighter jets bombed over 30 US-backed Kurds in Syria & Iraq. US & Russia objected to strike Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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badass YPJ propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ9QTmHR0YQ
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Saladin Rising posted:Looks like Erdogan/Turkey did this completely on their own dime: can anyone comment on the end game? The beginning game? This is the utterly stupidest/isolationist thing Turkey could do, are they seriously that threatened/paranoid/vengeful? Is the easiest explanation utter stupidity, I guess is what I'm asking.
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Heliogabalos posted:threatened/paranoid/vengeful? yes.
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Heliogabalos posted:can anyone comment on the end game? The beginning game? This is the utterly stupidest/isolationist thing Turkey could do, are they seriously that threatened/paranoid/vengeful? erdogan is the turkish trump
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Brother Friendship posted:erdogan is the turkish trump Trump is an idiot but he isn't trying to install himself as king, yet. Erdy also enjoys a lot more popular support (allowing him to do the first thing). Warbadger fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Brother Friendship posted:erdogan is the turkish trump Erdogan can't do that cuz, you know, the recent mass purging of "The Gulenists" (aka anybody in the Turkish military who was remotely competent).
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Well, I'd say Erdogan's actions make sense if you put on the mindset where the various elements of the KCK constellation are the #NUMBERONE!!!!!!!111!!!1one!!!11!! existential enemy of the Turkish state, that absolutely cannot be negotiated with.* Seeing it like that, letting a PKK-related statelet exist on the southern border is unacceptable and must be stopped/weakened/hosed with, regardless of Daesh (negligible), Assad (secondary), the US or Russia (too distant). Therefore, nothing the SDF does or says to the effect of not wanting confrontation with Turkey will be trusted or believed, and will be seen as building a second Qandil refuge for the PKK (which is not entirely untrue, mind, but simplistic). Just look at Turkey demanding the YPG leave the west of the Euphrates, when Manbij is led by a local council and defended by SDF-member the MMC, who have no interest in letting the TFSA in. The goal is to break the YPG/PYD/TEV-DEM and replace them with (PDK-like/Arabic/Turkmen) Turkey-aligned forces. Blowing up a YPG media center is sensible then. Sure, it makes the US angry, but Erdogan calculates not angry enough to do something substantial. Eh, who knows. Imagine Trump's reaction if a US soldier is collaterally blown up? *And this is, in my opinion, the failure point. There was a peace process, Ocalan is right there and amenable to talks, an ethno-social movement like the PKK can be reached with reason and policies (unlike Daeshoid nihilists, see Northern Ireland/Colombia) and extremist factions like TAK can be marginalized if the mainstream bloc gets results out of moderation. Being the state sometimes means having to de-escalate and deal with rebellious groups, and conciliation can take the air out of a conflict. Basically, I think the Turkish state has regrettably locked itself in a needless hostility loop instead of trying to defuse peacefully its Kurdish question. (Three-letter acronyms, we got them!)
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Objurium posted:Not necessarily super important, but I have a stupid eye for modern military hardware and a decent background knowledge of the units currently using them, so - Check out homeboy's gun. Not questioning your analysis, but if they are delta or whatever they're called now, why would they let themselves show up in photos by a major news agency? Don't they keep their identities secret?
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EwokEntourage posted:Not questioning your analysis, but if they are delta or whatever they're called now, why would they let themselves show up in photos by a major news agency? Don't they keep their identities secret? Pictures get taken of special forces guys all the time. Im sure theyd rather it not happen, but it's impossible to have complete control over who's taking your pic.
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