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I’ve written at least a starter FAQ for “what to expect when you start hockey” and equipment, eventually I will compile some “how to” stuff and some fitness/workout stuff as well. Full disclaimer: there are a lot of opinions below, so proceed with caution. I also have very limited knowledge of roller hockey, so I haven't included anything on that thus far. Anyway, here we go. What to expect when you’re starting hockey! I’ve been ice skating like 4 times in my life, just what am I getting myself involved in here? From a technical/physical perspective, hockey is probably the hardest sport in the world. It takes all of the athletic skills required in basketball or soccer and then makes you do them on a few millimeters of steel perched on top of a big sheet of slippery ice. It is an incredibly difficult sport, and it stays that way as long as you play it. I’ve been playing for 25 years now and I still think it is hard as hell. Difficult as it is, it is also incredibly fun. Even at the lowest levels the sport is fast and challenging, hockey players usually tend to be fun and friendly group of people. It is an unbelievably good workout, it stays challenging forever, and you’ll never have more fun playing a team sport. It is also a pretty amazing community; I’ve moved more or less constantly throughout my adult life, and everywhere I’ve been I’ve played adult hockey. It is like an “instant friend” group: they’re guys you almost always have something in common with and who are cool to hang out with, which is a really nice thing to have when you move to a new place. Will I look like an idiot starting hockey as an adult? Yes. Hockey is hard. You’re going to fall down a lot, you’re going to be schooled by obnoxious 12 year old kids, you’re going to look hilariously awkward doing it, and you’re going to have a blast the whole time. Every rink everywhere has adult beginners, and I swear to god I rarely see adults enjoy anything as much as those guys. Just be prepared to be humbled by the sport, and don’t get all self conscious. Remember also if/when you start playing in a league that you’re probably not going to be trotting out there with a bunch of ex-NHLers, most big cities have many different tiers of adult hockey, so you’re going to be playing with other beginners. Hockey looks expensive, is it? Yes. The expense comes from two major areas: ice time and equipment. Unfortunately you can’t play without either. I live in Oklahoma City, and ice time is pretty cheap here. I skate in a beer league and in two weekly pickup games, and for this season (Sept- March) I spent around $800 total for my ice time. I think ice is fairly cheap here; in big cities without many ice surfaces it can get a lot more expensive, and unfortunately you can’t do much about it. Remember though how much FUN you’re getting for your money! Equipment expense you do have some control over, but if you’re like the rest of the world, hockey gear (especially sticks) will quickly become a money black hole. Don’t say you weren’t warned. When I watch hockey on TV it is super violent and they’re all huge, will I get crushed into the glass by a giant man and then have to drop the gloves and wind up in the hospital with no teeth? Beer leagues are generally not like this. Almost all adult hockey is no-check, and USA Hockey has a very strict no fighting policy, so the physical violence aspect of hockey really isn’t a big concern (plus most of the people are super cool and are all friends so that helps too). Unfortunately sometimes you do get a hardcore douche who wants to relive his years on the high school JV team and does so by hacking or bumping or something, but those guys are few and far between and usually don’t last long in beer leagues anyway. Adult hockey is really very safe, probably safer than golf or tennis and certainly safer than soccer in terms of injury rate. I’ve seen maybe two or three semi-serious injuries in a decade of playing in beer leagues (none due to some sort of violent act), and the sport is really not super-hard on your body either, especially at lower levels. Refereeing on the other hand tends to be really horrible in beer leagues, so just be ready for that. Those guys get like $8/hour to ref your stupid game and they really act like it. Great, I’m in. How do I start? First, use my excellent advice to find yourself a nice pair of skates (and maybe elbow pads, gloves, and a helmet if you’re afraid of bruising). Then, start skating! Practice, practice, practice…practice. Skating is hard, and it is so very important to enjoying hockey. Remember, hockey is hard. Public skating sessions are the best place to start; if you can get to them during the work week all the better. Strap on your elbow pads or gloves and maybe a helmet (don’t worry about the people watching you!) and work on your skating. Try it all: turns, stops, even that backwards skating thing. If you don’t try it, you’ll never learn it! You’re going to fall down, but that’s ok…I fall down all the time too. Try and get out at least once a week if not more. Remember, you’re getting exercise at the same time you’re having all this fun! At the same time you’re embarking on your skating practice, start looking around for beginner hockey clinics. Most often, these will be on a Saturday morning (or sometimes super-early on a weekday) for maybe 8-10 weeks, and they will be taught by some experienced players of some sort. Going to these is very important, having someone show you stuff firsthand is worth a zillion youtube videos (plus, you’re on the ice, which means skating practice!). For these clinics typically you’ll just need gloves and helmet, maybe shinguards and elbow pads. I’ve taught at clinics like this forever and they are incredibly helpful to new players, I cannot recommend them highly enough. Remember, hockey is hard. Third, try and make it out for “stick and puck” sessions if they’re offered. These are just the rink turning hockey players loose on the ice to do what they want, which for you, means practice! Find a spot on the ice and work on all those skills that you were taught. Try not to get run over. If you’ve never played before, plan on doing these things (public skating, stick and puck, and clinics) for at least a good 6 months before joining a competitive team. It is actually pretty difficult to really practice basic skills during a game (especially as a beginner), so having a good body of non-game practice underneath you before you start playing in games is pretty important to developing your skills. Equipment What equipment do you need for a beer league? Bare Necessities:
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I’ve been talking about skates a lot so far, now let’s get into the weeds. First, a quick overview of the hockey skate. I did this in MSPaint can you tell Skate construction nowadays is amazingly complex. 50 years ago you just a leather boot with a steel tube riveted to it, but nowadays…yeesh. Nearly every skate made today is made of essentially the same components: bewbies fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Mar 9, 2011 |
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Sticks are the other important thing. Hockey sticks rule and I love them all. I know nothing of hockey sticks, can we start from the beginning? Absolutely! This is an MSPaint diagram I did of a one piece composite hockey stick: This should be fairly self explanatory. Technically, there isn’t a hosel with a one piece (the hosel is the part of a blade that glues into the shaft), but we still use the term referring to the very bottom of the shaft for some reason. The other slightly confusing thing might be the taper; this is a relatively new thing where shafts taper a bit as they get closer to the blade. This affects their flex pattern and weight. Today, there are three main kinds of stick available: One piece composite As the name implies, this is a stick which is a single piece (shaft and blade are one) and made of composite materials, usually some combination of fiberglass and carbon fiber (and sometimes wood). These are the most expensive and popular sticks; their prices range from $50 to $220+. Two piece composite This means that the shaft and blade are two separate components, attached by hot glue. Note that there are two distinct flavors of two piece today: standard and “low kickpoint”/tapered. The two are NOT COMPATIBLE. Standard shafts use standard blades, tapered shafts use specific tapered blades. The difference is in how long the hosel is; tapered blades have a much lower hosel, which allows the shaft to do more tapering. They tend to be slightly cheaper than one piece sticks, though not by much. Wood These are sticks made of wood and wrapped in fiberglass. The most expensive wooden stick is cheaper than the cheapest composite, or at least close to it. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each type? One piece sticks usually have the best performance, but you have to pay for it. You’re stuck with a particular blade pattern (as the blade is attached, duh), and it really, really sucks when they break. On the plus side they are extremely durable; they lose very little of their flex properties over time and are very difficult for casual players to break. Two piece sticks allow you a bit of flexibility with your blade choice: you can swap out blades if you don’t like the pattern, or if the blade breaks or wears out. The tradeoff is that you have a slightly imprecise joint between stick and blade, and that diminishes the feel ever so slightly in most sticks, as well as changing the weight distribution a bit. That said, I think that there is next to no difference in a high quality two piece tapered stick and their one piece brothers. Wood sticks are cheap, and they work very, very well (in particular they feel fantastic). However, their flex patterns can be inconsistent which affects shooting, and they wear out fairly quickly as the wood warps and deforms. They also break more often. Holy poo poo there are a lot of numbers on these sticks, what do they mean? Age: bewbies fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Mar 8, 2011 |
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Shooting Tutorial
I want to score goals. How does one do this? By shooting! I think shooting is the most technically demanding part of the game, and it is also one of the more useful skills to have at all levels of play. Being able to take a quick, heavy shot will go a long way to making you a dangerous motherfucker on the ice. Once you develop a heavy shot, you're going to see a lot of pucks going in. This is doubly true at lower levels, where goalies' positioning and reflexes aren't as good: often you really don't have to be terribly accurate (just hit the frame) to have a puck sneak in. Hard shots also create rebounds, which gives you assists, which makes people think you're a team player even if all you're doing is shooting all day long. That said, hockey is hard, and so is shooting. As such, I recommend you practice a lot. Luckily, shooting practice is fun! I'll give you some drills to try out later. Ok I am convinced, I want to be able to shoot well. Now what? There is one basic fact to understand about shooting: shot speed is determined by how fast your stick blade is moving as it releases the puck. In this way it is the same as golf; the only important determining factor is stick velocity. That said, there are a number of useful techniques to generate this velocity. All of them use the stick to store potential energy in the shaft, which is then released as quickly as possible into the puck to propel it forward. We talked about stick flex above, but I'm going to mention it again: the flex of the stick has a significant effect on how much (and how efficiently) potential energy can be stored in the stick. A stick with the appropriate amount of flex will ensure the highest possible energy loading: too stiff and you will not have the strength/technique to preload it enough, too whippy and you'll load it to its maximum level before reaching the limit of your strength/technique. What shots are available to me? First, this depends on who you ask. Everyone throughout the hockey world has different techniques and definitions for shots, so there are all sorts of answers you find out there. Here you will find mine! Anyway, the shot types I teach are: bewbies fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Mar 16, 2011 |
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This is a great thread. For something that is as personal as equipment choice is this does a really good job of explaining everything. The skate info alone should help anyone needing new skates. Do Mission even make skates anymore? My pair is coming up on 10 years old (maybe older) so it might be time to try something new. Bewbies do you know of a good place to repalm gloves? I've got a pair of Eagle H34s that I don't want to lose but have a hole in the palm the size of a puck and I'm tired of being that guy
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Echoing sellouts on the quality of the OP. I really wish something like this was around when I started playing a few years ago. As someone who bought some lovely, used skates first, I'm seconding spending good money on a quality pair of skates that fit well. sellouts posted:Do Mission even make skates anymore? My pair is coming up on 10 years old (maybe older) so it might be time to try something new. Not ice hockey skates. Ever since Bauer bought Mission-Itech, Mission has been strictly inline hockey.
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Bewbies, I'm halfway through the thread. Great so far, but I've never heard anybody say sub-brand before. I've heard them called lines or product lines, but never sub-brands... Also, ModSquad, I think, has a more up to date and comprehensive blade pattern chart. I think.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/howtohockeydotcom This guy has some decent youtube videos on just about everything hockey related
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bewbies posted:That hollow is measured in fractions of an inch, and typical hollows range from 1/4 “ all the way up to 7/8”. The larger the number, the deeper the hollow. A deeper hollow causes the skate to “bite” more into the ice, a lower hollow bites less and glides more. Isn't this backwards?
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sellouts posted:Bewbies do you know of a good place to repalm gloves? LHS can usually do it, it used to cost about $50 for a good quality palm but I haven't done it in a long time. A buddy of mine used this place and thought it was ok, they took like 3 weeks to get back to him though which he didn't like (I don't know if that was normal or not). ManicJason posted:Isn't this backwards? It is, oops.
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# ? Mar 9, 2011 02:39 |
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Nice OP mate! If anyone reading this is from Sydney and wants to start getting out on the ice, get at me through PMs and I can help you work out where to get started.
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Great thread. I just have one question, am I Zdeno Chara? You did not answer this.
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bigmike posted:Great thread. I just have one question, am I Zdeno Chara? You did not answer this.
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On one of the rare occasions that I skated out at a Stick n Shoot, I heard a small child whisper to his friend "Is that Chara?" Punk rear end kids
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bewbies posted:Wood sticks are cheap, and they work very, very well (in particular they feel fantastic). However, their flex patterns can be inconsistent which affects shooting, and they wear out fairly quickly as the wood warps and deforms. They also break more often. What? I always thought composites were the twigs that snapped all the time, and wood sticks never really broke they just turned to mush eventually as you kept playing with them.
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Swiss Army Knife posted:What? I always thought composites were the twigs that snapped all the time, and wood sticks never really broke they just turned to mush eventually as you kept playing with them. The difference is that a composite, when it goes, gives essentially no warning, and blows the gently caress up. A wood stick falls apart WAY faster but you generally never see them explode because the player will have moved on well before that. generally, the blade in a wooden stick goes before anything else. That said, the shaft will be going as well at that point, especially compared to when the stick was new.
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Ughhhh, posting this thread right as the season is ending, you big rear end in a top hat you. I spent the last three years practicing my skating so for this off-season, I'm gonna work on my hands on some sort of polyethylene sheet. Anyone have another good material for synthetic ice?
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Hold up! Goalies are players too!
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Swiss Army Knife posted:What? I always thought composites were the twigs that snapped all the time, and wood sticks never really broke they just turned to mush eventually as you kept playing with them. This was true a few years ago, especially for the higher end composites. Back then the only way they could get them super light was to make them kind of flimsy, and for a while they would break if you looked at them the wrong way (the early Easton Stealths were the absolute worst about this, which sucked because otherwise they were the best sticks on the market). There are also some exceptions of ultra-durable wood sticks that were tougher than anything else ever made, I remember a long time ago Montreal came out with a wood stick that was nearly unbreakable and my AAA team all had to switch to it if we wanted the team to buy our sticks. The stick sucked though and we hated it, I switched back to my Christian Ultra Lite and paid for them myself. The last few years though the industry listened pretty well to everybody who was getting pissed about composite stick durability and now they're pretty awesome at all price points. I play with a lot of big dudes and big shooters, and this year I saw a total of four composite sticks break: 2 got caught in the exact same hole in the boards and broke their blades (this pisses people off), one almost killed a guy when he got it caught in the net and it went straight into his lower abdomen (it broke into 3 pieces, never seen anything like it. He got away with only a nasty bruise); only one broke "normally", in a shot. I should probably add that top shelf and pro stock sticks do tend to be less durable, particularly the pro sticks: they're custom made, and if the guy wants an ultra light stick the manufacturer might not put on a layer of kevlar or carbon wrap that they normally would, which makes it less durable obviously. NHL players don't care, but we do.
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Ah, alright then. I haven't been able to play hockey since grade 11 () so I'm a bit behind on equipment I guess. Plus it didn't help that I was a lumbering defensemen who used his cheap-o sticks mainly for cross-checking dudes in the back.
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Swiss Army Knife posted:Ah, alright then. I haven't been able to play hockey since grade 11 () so I'm a bit behind on equipment I guess. Plus it didn't help that I was a lumbering defensemen who used his cheap-o sticks mainly for cross-checking dudes in the back. So you're Chris Pronger then
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Pr0phecy posted:Ughhhh, posting this thread right as the season is ending, you big rear end in a top hat you. I spent the last three years practicing my skating so for this off-season, I'm gonna work on my hands on some sort of polyethylene sheet. Anyone have another good material for synthetic ice? I've heard people had success getting a white board from Home Depot, for <$10, and spraying it with Pledge or silicon spray. I was going get one and try this once my impact net I bought comes in this weekend, so I can shoot in the basement. Here are some other ideas http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=739161 dms666 fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Mar 9, 2011 |
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I bought a melamine board from Home Depot for a shooting board, it works pretty good so far. The only difficult thing is finding a sheet that is high gloss, mine is really porous so I have to spend a lot of time buffing in wax to keep it slick. I bought a larger piece for a Slide Board to practice on but haven't had the chance to put it all together yet. I'll put up how it goes when I get it finished.
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# ? Mar 9, 2011 15:45 |
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I use a whiteboard without any pledge or anything on it. Pucks still slide and don't flip up on end or anything, it's just a little more resistance.
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# ? Mar 9, 2011 15:50 |
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I got one of these Mylec things for my birthday http://www.amazon.com/Mylec-Modular-Shooting-System-White/dp/B000YIGXJU . It works ok but needs to be sprayed with something slick to keep the puck from constantly flipping.
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Great start to the thread. The last one was instrumental in getting me into hockey. This years mens clinic started last night and I was able to make second line d. I had some rust to work off since its been over a month since I played. It felt good though and I got an assist. Grabbed a loose puck and quarterbacked the play out of the zone then up to the fwds who put one in. I stayed and played in the night pickup after and felt even better against better players. A little sore today but not too bad afterall. I've been using a bottom line composite since this fall. Mostly for the curve(p88) as the wood curves I've been using haven't been feeling good and there were more curves available in composites. But I've decided to jump up to a higher end stick and have a supreme one 60 on the way from ice warhouse. Should be here in time for next weeks hockey.
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As far as equipment goes, I'd like to add that people should at least consider some sort of neck guard. I wear one of these: http://www.icewarehouse.com/descpage.html?pcode=BPLSI It's a nice undershirt and I don't even feel the neck guard. Call me a pussy, whatever. I've got a 2 year old and another on the way, I don't want to risk it.
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trilljester posted:As far as equipment goes, I'd like to add that people should at least consider some sort of neck guard. I wear one of these:
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That's actually a pretty slick alternative to that doofy slab of scratchy stiff plastic.
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Surfing Turtle posted:Hold up! Goalies are players too! Aw hell yeah! ...how would one start out playing goalie? Back in my highschool days I played a poo poo ton of pick up games with friends and I always played goalie. I had my own cheap pads, catcher and blocker, it was so much fun. That was all roller hockey, and I'm not opposed to roller hockey now. The good news the one roller hockey league I've contacted are really desperate for goalies and even sent out a mass email saying they'd waive game fees for goalies.
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Yeet posted:Aw hell yeah! ...how would one start out playing goalie? Back in my highschool days I played a poo poo ton of pick up games with friends and I always played goalie. I had my own cheap pads, catcher and blocker, it was so much fun. That was all roller hockey, and I'm not opposed to roller hockey now. The good news the one roller hockey league I've contacted are really desperate for goalies and even sent out a mass email saying they'd waive game fees for goalies. We have a goalie thread where you can find some good info. I don't think there's a step by step guide like this thread, but there's some good info scattered throughout.
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Great OP, thanks! It may have convinced me to not use my gimmicky intermediate 67 flex TotalOne with pitching wedge/P92/Backstrom blade. I haven't scored since I got it back in December (although I'm an assist machine now apparently), and I've been having a little more problems catching passes on my forehand. I have an experienced teammate telling me to check out the PM9 and P88 instead. I'm leaning toward trying out the PM9 since it's still slightly open and the lie is lower (I'm short). And going back to my probably 90-95 flex (cut a few inches) Vapor X:20 shaft to help alleviate my pass catching woes. I feel like a gigantic rear end in a top hat for getting $150 worth of stick and going back to my $60 one
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# ? Mar 10, 2011 00:50 |
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Great thread. From personal experience, using the magic box to form your skates in-store is worth it, especially in some independent shops that'll do it for free (cause gently caress that 20 dollar fee). Oh, and if you're an American with in a few hours of the border, buy your poo poo in Canada. Just remember to report it at customs!
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# ? Mar 10, 2011 01:19 |
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I went to the 6 AM "Breakfast Club" drop-in hockey for the first time this morning and now I'm tired as poo poo and having a hard time getting anything done at work.
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# ? Mar 11, 2011 15:30 |
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is this a new thread or a faq type of thing?
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# ? Mar 11, 2011 16:51 |
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I was thinking it was a replacement, the old one had a good run and better to have one with an informative OP right?
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# ? Mar 11, 2011 17:16 |
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This is just the information/guide thread.
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# ? Mar 11, 2011 17:18 |
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What's the point of having 2 threads?
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# ? Mar 11, 2011 17:39 |
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Hockey is just that awesome?
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Thufir posted:What's the point of having 2 threads? This one is more informative while the other was a little more conversational I believe.
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