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Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
I half expected this thread to be waist deep in black spoiler tags thanks to people already trying to tell us how the game ends within a few posts of this starting. I'm quite glad it isn't that bad yet.

But yeah...fond memories for the first few hours of this game. Course I had to play it on my friend's PS1 first, and then later got a copy for my PC which I can't play anymore because it doesn't jive well to Vista. Oh well.

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Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
I know it's kinda late, but I imagined Wedge being more breathless fat guy than deeply Scottish with the VA.

But then again, I remember I was into that Final Fantasy radioplay sort of thing when I was young, so I shouldn't be talking.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Azure_Horizon posted:

If you've seen how controlled and regimented Midgar is by now, I'd say they really have no other choice to make a difference. Sometimes, anarchy is the best option.

Hey now, Midgar's GOT a mayor, you know. You heard him condemning the terrorists and whatnot. He sounds like a pretty level guy.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
I want to go on record and say that Mukki is my second-favorite Final Fantasy 7 NPC due to how he goes totally out of the way in making Cloud feel insecure about himself. More than dressing up as a woman would make him, anyway.

My favorite NPC should be coming up in a few updates, though. I'll keep my mouth shut until then. :neckbeard:

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

DocFrance posted:

There are three ways to interpret Aeris's character, I think.

a) Hooker with a heart of gold, using "flower girl" as a cover for her actual line of work, like you said (though I disagree with her being high end, what with her "flower" only costing 1g).

b) That one girl in high school who is REALLY religious. She's really cute but she won't date anyone because her parents won't allow it. You finally convince her to go with you to prom. That's when the crazy comes out.

c) A combination of a) and b).

So...Aeris is a cute religious hooker with a heart of gold and a crazy side?

Kinda describes most of the people who cosplay as her for conventions.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

DocFrance posted:

You know, if you figure that Aeris is actually a high-class escort, it stands to reason that Corneo was one of her regular clients. Which means she knew that only women can get into his mansion.

SHE KNEW.

But, wouldn't he recognize her?

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
Ah, Dyne, such memories...

You know, that was a pretty strong-written video game scene there at the time, the idea of how tragedy can drive one person to madness and another to self-realization and how vengeance can warp the soul. I'm just surprised why there aren't more angsty fanfictions written about that guy.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Renoistic posted:

Dissidia is the worst of the bunch, though. Every single character is an annoying anime stereotype. You just want to reach out and strangle them all. Kefka gets to live thanks to his passable Joker imitation, though. And Ex-Death as well, because his voice is AWESOME.l

What's Dark Knight Garland an anime stereotype of again?

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
WEST! OBEY THE JAILBAIT!

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Because nearly everything in the EU is Shinra's top execs playing with genes and mako and covering every bit of it up when it doesn't produce usable Sephiroths and covering it up when guys fall into existential crises.

Palmer didn't play with genes. He was too busy with lard.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Obnoxious Brit posted:

I thought he was too busy playing with space and trying to get more money for space.

Nope. Totally lard. The space program has to be a front. I mean, you think Shinra has time between hostile takeovers and sucking the planet dry to send things into space?

I imagine Palmer was a good friend of the family and was given this cushy job in exchange for his loyalty.

Cangelosi fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Dec 3, 2011

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
It seems like everyone on the board of directors for Shinra has their own hidden agenda. Heidegger wants to blow everyone and everything up, Scarlet wants to suck the planet dry and kill anyone who says otherwise. Hojo is all about the mutation and evolution schtick.

Palmer? Get fat, and bilk Shinra out of millions of dollars for a space program that technically hasn't launched a rocket in three or so years.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
Wow, this game is not so nice to fat people. First Wedge gets dropped during the pillar fight, then President Shinra is Masamune'd, then Palmer gets hit by a truck, and now Don Corneo falls miles to his death.

Sort of a hidden social allegory beneath all of that, don't you think?

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

TravBot posted:

It also turns fine characters into prats and certain talking, mog-riding cats into Scotsmen. A lot of it is really terrible.

For some reason, they really didn't get Red XIII involved in the EU, which is perhaps for the best.

Maybe only...one line in the movie and a scene in Dirge, but other than that, Nanaki was chilling with all his dignity and suchlike.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Elentor posted:

We're barely about halfway in the game, I'm sure by the end of the thread everything that has to be said about FF7 will be said.

Actually, I've been holding off on why Palmer is my favorite NPC of all time since a) it might end up in spoiler territory and b) it might break the rule on discussing fanfiction in this thread.

Palmer is loving awesome.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

(Cait Sith joins the party) Uh… I’d heard the name Cait Sith before, but I had no idea it was an actual cat.

It's apparently Welsh.

He appeared in Final Fantasy 6 under the name "Stray".

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

KataraniSword posted:

I've heard people convincingly say that Hojo is truly the villain of this piece; after all, we already know that he's pretty much the reason Sephiroth went nutters, so we can safely say that everything that goes wrong is his fault.

And he's chilling out on a resort beach, giving no fucks. :c00lbert:

All on a paid leave of absence, no less.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
I think I remember in 2000, there was some Coca-Cola Final Fantasy promotion with tiny figures of characters from Final Fantasy 7, 8, and 9. Each character had two versions, one being the full painted figure, and the second was a red translucent figure. I think mine are hidden somewhere deep in my closet, but I think the 7 figures were SD compared to the others being more realistic.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Scalding Coffee posted:

Dynasty Warriors 4: XTREEEEME Legends had a horrible mechanic where your officer kills will piss off or improve relations with others. It turns to poo poo when you accidentally slap every wandering officer who joins in the brawl against every guy you fight and only the same few evil guys ever want to be friends.

...but that's why you're not supposed to pursue Lu Bu.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

George posted:

I guess I can post this now.



It was an April Fool's joke at the GIA in... I think it was 2000. I think they said it would be on 117 cartridges or something, which was a nod to all the talk that was still going around about how inadequate the N64 was for the game. The best part was that they also reported on a new version of FF8 called Final Fantasy Gaiden where you play from Seifer's perspective. They made a fake press kit and and impossibly good demo video, and with the obvious April Fool's joke elsewhere on the site other gaming news sites reported it as news.

Holy living crap, that was a nostalgia bomb right there. The GIA, Cosmo Canyon, and all of those Final Fantasy 7 websites that were around about 1998-2000 does indeed shape one's experience with the game. Also, if I remember, there was a GIA affiliate who had an April Fools joke about one of the playable characters in FFVIII being a moogle with an axe called Kiko. We were such sillies back then. Even worked with an online campaign to elect Palmer for President in 2000 (shut up, he's a well-rounded character).

I was one of those folks who didn't have a Playstation, so I ended up getting a PC copy for my 19th birthday. Played the crap out of it, though I already knew the storyline by heart by then. The thing about Aerith, yeah it kind of didn't hit as hard for me as others, but I would have to admit it takes Sephiroth from the "he's just a bit misguided" pile and puts him into the "he is going to die by my hand for what he's done" pile.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

XyloJW posted:

He didn't leave when you were there. He was probably just in the President's bathroom while Avalanche was dicking around in there. Didn't even notice you guys came through. Came out whistling, zipped up, grabbed his sword, and went on his merry.

Maybe it was one of those souvenir Masamunes you can pick up at Gold Saucer. It might explain how Tseng was able to survive his encounter.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

DeathChicken posted:

I always wondered if Heidegger was supposed to be some weird Nazi expy, with that uniform he was wearing.

No, he's an allegory to Fidel Castro.

Leavemywife posted:

Either way, he's still not as useless as Palmer.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK! Palmer is the only lovable guy in Shinra.

Cangelosi fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jul 17, 2012

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

The Sharmat posted:

Well she did get people outside the Honey Bee Inn to pay ridiculous prices for flowers by flirting. By white mage standards she's a female de Sade.

And she never kept her dress fully buttoned.

And she wore Army boots.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Shiki Dan posted:

If you back and watch the footage from the early TP trailers with Miyamoto, you can SEE him transforming into the Japanese Orson Welles (circa the era when he was doing Transformers and wine commercials). You know internally he's frothing with rage and shame--his creative vision distorted, the ideals of youth forsaken, his personal codes shredded, blatantly pandering to a numb audience he despises while knelt down at the altar of commerce.

And that's why he devotes his energy to Wii Sports from now on because he knows at least moms will like that.

And don't dis Tingle. He's like the Palmer of the Hyrule universe.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Momomo posted:

Yeah, I always figured it was to make her look like an angel or something, so people wouldn't doubt her being the last ancient.

She kind of strikes me as something from the movie Metropolis, honestly.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Noah posted:

What about Tifa's undies!? WHAT ABOUT THE UNDIESSSS.

Well, obviously, it means there is someone else in SOLDIER with a orthopedic underwear fetish.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
Why consider the differences between a washed-up ex-Soldier with terrorist ties and the pampered son of a money-grubbing energy baron when you can choose someone with grand designs on colonizing space and providing lard for all?



Palmer For President

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Adus posted:

This is one of the funniest things to me. She tells the Press the literal reason why these people are being executed with no spin whatsoever. Yet there are actual arguments as to why these people should actually be executed. It's like she doesn't give a poo poo at all.

We're just punishing someone because someone needs to be punished and they drew the short straw. No that's not a metaphor, we actually drew straws!

This is, of course, the same PR lady who solved things at the North Corel reactor by shooting people who didn't agree with Shinra's plant plans. So essentially her actions were what created groups like AVALANCHE anyways.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

FinalGamer posted:

ANYWAYS, wanna avoid talking on that game and moving back into FFVII, has anyone here gotten emotional during any part of FFVII OTHER than Aeris' death?

Does Palmer getting hit by the truck count?

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

Elentor posted:

Jenova is a Lovecraftian horror from beyond, and to understand it would miss the point, so we're all left to our theories and imagination.

I like to think of her as a medusa with a bread box on her head.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
I think the biggest thing to glean from the Shinra board meaning is that PALMER SURVIVED BEING RUN OVER BY A TRUCK! Combining this with him surviving his meeting with Sephiroth makes him the better than any of the other executives.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

TKz posted:

Just wanted to say that I signed up just to keep reading this LP. Keep up the great work man.

We totally apologize that it's primarily about spiders now.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

slydingdoor posted:

Vincent Valentine has a couple of ironic names, they translate to "healthy winner" but he's got the appearance of a sickly loser. Someone else pointed out it's also apparently a reference to the Irish alt-rock band My Bloody Valentine.

I'm not entirely sure that Jill, Faye, or Ivy would agree with you on that one, but hey...

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
Ah yes, the wonder that is Chocobo breeding. All the racing and the breeding and the racing again and then the breeding and then another bit of racing and dammit we need Chocobo steroids in the form of greens kos the stupid bird starts conking out near the finish and then more breeding. I swear it felt I spent more time breeding the perfect gold Chocobo than I did getting through the first disc of the game.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
I think the most important thing we should take away from the Shinra plan to shoot the Big Materia into space is that PALMER IS STILL ALIVE! Aerith gets a pointy sword in a gut and goes down, yet Palmer gets knocked offscreen by a truck and still lives. This elevates him to the level of Jesus.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."
I just want to note that considering Shinra's top brass, it was Palmer who had the most feasible idea to desroy Meteor and save the planet. The other guys were all like "let's kill AVALANCHE so they die shortly before we do", but Palmer...he's seeing the big picture, even after getting hit by a truck. Seriously...HIT BY A TRUCK! How many Phoenix Downs is that, like...twenty?

Seriously, I'm all Team Palmer right now. Screw all the other guys.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

BioMe posted:

Haha, are the Shinra troops in the submarines still being held hostage?

I'd like to think they're getting a mix of Stockholm Syndrome and spontaneous desertion complex, which is typical if you get spared by AVALANCHE.

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

President of Space posted:

So, the Sister Ray. I've never quite gotten the joke with that one, or why Scarlet is so dramatic about re-naming it. It doesn't appear to be a pun, or really any sort of wordplay at all. Is it a joke in Japanese? Is there something I'm missing here or is it just another bit of evidence that Scarlet is nuts and I should assume the other Shinra execs are rolling their eyes at her?

It was better than Palmer's first suggestion of "Lard Laser 4000".

Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

KataraniSword posted:

But yeah, FF8 remains a cursed game, in its own way. It's never been completed in a way that the entire internet can see, at least.

Kinda like how a large number of people stopped playing FF8 after the first disk.

...

What? Someone had to say it.

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Cangelosi
Nov 17, 2004

"It's cute," he said to himself warily, "but it's not normal."

simplefish posted:


As the only one with a lance, perhaps this is Lancelot?

For the life of me, I don't remember Lancelot having red pigtails.

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