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lukevictorious
Mar 31, 2019

this is the water

TERFherder posted:

a japanime

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TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



All they have to do is look at the castlevania netflix show to see how to do dunk and egg and be successful. It’s a really similar story structure with equally compelling characters that merge into the ‘main’ story well enough to be interesting but loving lmao if anyone involved in this franchise understands what makes it good.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

уôðр ò шúурþòі úуûьúø




I'm a ROM construct, it's always 1996 for me.

Mr. Nemo
Feb 4, 2016

I wish I had a sister like my big strong Daddy :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mOUdw0m1VU

i enjoyed that video, lots of theories I hadn't heard about

Pennsylvanian
May 23, 2010

Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky Independent Presidential Regiment
Western Liberal Democracy or Death!
Glidus' videos are great, and they're really well-edited. He's fun when he gets on Preston's streams. He makes fun of people who take weird theories seriously, so it's fun to see someone push back on Preston.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Well I’m pretty sure that Preston has given up the ghost on believing that GRRM has some genius deep subtextual plot underneath the bad actual plot.

Pennsylvanian
May 23, 2010

Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky Independent Presidential Regiment
Western Liberal Democracy or Death!
It has been fun to watch Preston go from "Dornish Master Plan" to "Prepping for Winter" to "George didn't start writing until COVID" to "I'm going to write Winds."

During one of Preston's streams, he started going over a viewer question about specific symbolism in a Dany vision, and when he asked Glidus what he thought, Glidus said "I don't think any of these kinds of people have ever done psychadelics" and it was cathartic to hear.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
It’s always funny to remember that the overall plot of the series has only inched forward since the year 2000.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
I imagine it's pretty discouraging devoting so much of your time speculating on a series that you have become increasingly aware is probably never going to be finished.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Happy Landfill posted:

I imagine it's pretty discouraging devoting so much of your time speculating on a series that you have become increasingly aware is probably never going to be finished.

Well he does make some money off it.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Pennsylvanian posted:

During one of Preston's streams, he started going over a viewer question about specific symbolism in a Dany vision, and when he asked Glidus what he thought, Glidus said "I don't think any of these kinds of people have ever done psychadelics" and it was cathartic to hear.
I've never had the patience to sit through one of his videos but I already like this dude more than most people.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Well he does make some money off it.

There's definitely that. RedTeamReviews keeps pointing out that with House of The Dragon they can at least continue to make some GoT money from youtube. I definitely appreciated both of their incredulousness at the Jon Snow show.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Remember how when all was said and done she literally just walked off into the sunset and died, her mission complete and no punishment for the numerous crimes she'd committed, no vengeance for Brienne or anything remotely fulfilling?

Pennsylvanian
May 23, 2010

Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky Independent Presidential Regiment
Western Liberal Democracy or Death!

mind the walrus posted:

I've never had the patience to sit through one of his videos but I already like this dude more than most people.

He has the most believable theory videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-94RDwiVFs

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

уôðр ò шúурþòі úуûьúø



Happy Landfill posted:

I imagine it's pretty discouraging devoting so much of your time speculating on a series that you have become increasingly aware is probably never going to be finished.

I've spent half my life on this forum, does that count.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

TERFherder posted:

I've spent half my life on this forum, does that count.

No, that’s far worse.

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





The latest chapter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQcoXQaEXZ4.

Hahah, ah, that Alleras business, don't see much of that in this decade's fiction. Does Jon's lack of concern there keep it from being terribly regressive?

Gambrinus
Mar 1, 2005

Arbite posted:

The latest chapter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQcoXQaEXZ4.

Hahah, ah, that Alleras business, don't see much of that in this decade's fiction. Does Jon's lack of concern there keep it from being terribly regressive?

Is there a transcription of these anywhere? I don't really use Youtube for stuff like this and would much prefer to read something.

Pennsylvanian
May 23, 2010

Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky Independent Presidential Regiment
Western Liberal Democracy or Death!

Gambrinus posted:

Is there a transcription of these anywhere? I don't really use Youtube for stuff like this and would much prefer to read something.

It's in the video description.

Pennsylvanian
May 23, 2010

Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky Independent Presidential Regiment
Western Liberal Democracy or Death!
:siren: Double Post But Holy poo poo, George Wrote an Entire Blog Post About Winds :siren:

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/

A Fucker posted:


I have done a lot of interviews over the years, more than even I can possibly keep track of. Inevitably, a lot of them touch on the same subjects. One of the things I have been asked about most is my writing process. If you have seen any of those interviews, you have probably heard me talking about the two types of writers, the architects and the gardeners. I have given that same spiel numerous times. Here’s one of the most thorough explanations:



Another question that I get a lot, especially since the end of GAME OF THRONES on HBO, is whether A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, will end the same way. An architect would be able to give a short, concise, simple answer to that, but I am much more of a gardener. My stories grow and evolve and change as I write them. I generally know where I am going, sure… the final destinations, the big set pieces, they have been my head for years… for decades, in the case of A SONG OF ICE & FIRE. There are lots of devils in the details, though, and sometimes the ground changes under my feet as the words pour forth.

(Another question fans and interviewers alike ask a lot if “Where do you get your ideas?” Honestly, I wish I knew. When confronted with the same question, Harlan Ellison used to say, “Schenectady.” The ancient Greeks spoke of the muses. Freud talked of the conscious and subconscious minds, the id, the ego, the superego. More recently, we hear about the right brain and the left brain, one analytic and rational, the other imaginative and creative. I am pretty sure the answer is not Schenectady, but aside from that… hell, I don’t know. Yes, there are some instances where I know the seed from which something in my garden sprang. The Wall sprang from my visit to Hadrian’s Wall in 1981. The Wars of the Roses inspired much of GAME OF THRONES. The Red Wedding was a mash up of the Glencoe Massacre and the Black Dinner from Scottish history, turned up way past eleven. But for every instance like that, there are a hundred for which I have to say, “I don’t know. One day the thought just came to me. It wasn’t there, and then it was.” If that was the work of a muse, may she keep on musing).

Which brings me to THE WINDS OF WINTER.

Most of you know by now that I do not like to give detailed updates on WINDS. I am working on it, I have been working on it, I will continue to work on it. (Yes, I work on other things as well). I love nothing more than to surprise my readers with twists and turns they did not see coming, and I risk losing those moments if I go into too much detail. Spoilers, you know. Even saying that I am working on a Tyrion chapter, as I did last week, gives away the fact that Tyrion is not dead. Reading sample chapters at cons, or posting them on line, which I did for years, gives away even more. I actually quite enjoyed doing that, until the day came that I realized I had read and/or posted the first couple of hundred pages of WINDS, or thereabouts. If I had kept on with the readings, half the book might be out by now.

So I am not going to give you all any kind of detailed report on the book, but…

I will say this.

I have been at work in my winter garden. Things are growing… and changing, as does happen with us gardeners. Things twist, things change, new ideas come to me (thank you, muse), old ideas prove unworkable, I write, I rewrite, I restructure, I rip everything apart and rewrite again, I go through doors that lead nowhere, and doors that open on marvels.

Sounds mad, I know. But it’s how I write. Always has been. Always will be. For good or ill.

What I have noticed more and more of late, however, is my gardening is taking me further and further away from the television series. Yes, some of the things you saw on HBO in GAME OF THRONES you will also see in THE WINDS OF WINTER (though maybe not in quite the same ways)… but much of the rest will be quite different.

And really, when you think about it, this was inevitable. The novels are much bigger and much much more complex than the series. Certain things that happened on HBO will not happen in the books. And vice versa. I have viewpoint characters in the books never seen on the show: Victarion Greyjoy, Arianne Martell, Areo Hotah, Jon Connington, Aeron Damphair They will all have chapters, and the things they do and say will impact the story and the major characters who were on the show. I have legions of secondary characters, not POVs but nonetheless important to the plot, who also figure in the story: Lady Stoneheart, Young Griff, the Tattered Prince, Penny, Brown Ben Plumm, the Shavepate, Marwyn the Mage, Darkstar, Jeyne Westerling. Some characters you saw in the show are quite different than the versions in the novels. Yarra Greyjoy is not Asha Greyjoy, and HBO’s Euron Greyjoy is way, way, way, way different from mine. Quaithe still has a part to play. So does Rickon Stark. And poor Jeyne Poole. And… well, the list is long. (And all this is part of why WINDS is taking so long. This is hard, guys).

Oh, and there will be new characters as well. No new viewpoints, I promise you that, but with all these journeys and battles and scheming to come, inevitably our major players will be encountering new people in lands far and near.

One thing I can say, in general enough terms that I will not be spoiling anything: not all of the characters who survived until the end of GAME OF THRONES will survive until the end of A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, and not all of the characters who died on GAME OF THRONES will die in A SONG OF ICE & FIRE. (Some will, sure. Of course. Maybe most. But definitely not all) ((Of course, I could change my mind again next week, with the next chapter I write. That’s gardening)).

And the ending? You will need to wait until I get there. Some things will be the same. A lot will not.

No doubt, once I am done, there will be huge debate about which version of the story is better. Some people will like my book, others will prefer the television show. And that’s fine, you pays your money and your make your choice. (I do fear that a certain proportion of fans are so angry about how long WINDS has taken me that they are prepared to hate the book, unread. That saddens me, but there nothing I can do about it, but write the best book that I can, and hope that when it comes out most fans will read it with clean hands and an open mind).

That’s all I can tell you right now. I need to get back to the garden. Tyrion is waiting for me.

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



You pays your money

lmao

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


yeah man, i'm sure areo hotah will have a huge effect on the story...

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019


He listed like twenty of those viewpoint characters and important secondary ones and I realised there were, maybe, three that I'm in any way interested in.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.
Even his blog posts are a rambling mess. Also lol at a 325 man who gets no exercise in his 70s claiming he's going to finish a book series where it appears to take him at least 5 years minimum, absolute minimum, on average, to write a book in the series, and each book takes longer than the last, and each book introduces more plot threads and characters he has to deal with, and as far as I can tell A Dance with Dragons actually moved the series further away from concluding, it was just negative progress.

The lack of self-awareness in that blog is kind of sad.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

pseudanonymous posted:

Even his blog posts are a rambling mess. Also lol at a 325 man who gets no exercise in his 70s claiming he's going to finish a book series where it appears to take him at least 5 years minimum, absolute minimum, on average, to write a book in the series, and each book takes longer than the last, and each book introduces more plot threads and characters he has to deal with, and as far as I can tell A Dance with Dragons actually moved the series further away from concluding, it was just negative progress.

The lack of self-awareness in that blog is kind of sad.

Can't help but agree. I tried to read it through a kinder lens, but it's just the same excuses and waffling that you would expect of someone blowing off a lit course in college.

"Um, you see, this is, like, my STYLE, teach. And there's -different- characters this time around. Yeah, totally not the same as before! Well ok, they are the same, most of them, but they have to to jive organically, maaan. It's like the universe, changing, being created and destroyed at the same time. Your phony deadlines don't work on me, man! "

At this point I'd really respect him way more if he just stopped pretending. Start a Fallout fanfiction webring, 90s style. Say he is tired of living in the realm of the mind and is training for sumo.

Woodpile
Mar 30, 2013
Look at me. Look at ME! LOOK AT ME!

- George Rape Rape Martin

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



The loving flowery language gets me. I go through doors that lead nowhere, and doors that open on marvels (thank you muse). This is the most fun he's had writing about Winds of Winter in ten years.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

It's the first thing remotely resembling substance that he's written about Winds in at least 10 years, I'd say.

The part that gets me is where he parenthetically reminds us that "This is hard, guys" - what? What's hard - actually writing an update about your progress for your fans for the first time in a decade? Writing a novel at a rate of fewer than 100 words a day? Running your own tiny railroad? What's so HARD about all this, George, really?

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



DaysBefore posted:

He listed like twenty of those viewpoint characters and important secondary ones and I realised there were, maybe, three that I'm in any way interested in.

Should be noted that pretty much all the characters he named are ones that get the most attention in terms of speculation about where the story is going. Make me wonder how much time the old man spends on Reddit and other forums these days.

The whole post reeks though, seems like a forerunner to a post that admits defeat.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

If it were literally one decade prior I could still say "wow it's almost a sick kind of admirable that he's still sticking to his guns in spite of so much evidence that-- at best and with the most good faith possible-- we can say that his methods empirically don't work."

But it's 2022 and we live in Hellworld and this man is completely delusional and up his own rear end. I'm not sure which is sadder-- the fact that he thinks he's fooling anyone or that there will always be rubes ready to get fooled.

OperaMouse
Oct 30, 2010

Only 2 months and we are in football season again. He better hurry up this Summer.

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
I fully expect the next ASOIAF to come out during the next 3 years but likely in the form of the already completed chapters quickly packaged together as The Winds of Winter Part 1 by the publisher to get a sales boost from the new TV shows

bone emulator
Nov 3, 2005

Wrrroavr

Even if I believed him when he says he's still writing, the fact that he is apparently still in the 'ideas' phase is kinda wild.

Alan G
Dec 27, 2003

GRRM posted:

(I do fear that a certain proportion of fans are so angry about how long WINDS has taken me that they are prepared to hate the book, unread. That saddens me, but there nothing I can do about it, but write the best book that I can, and hope that when it comes out most fans will read it with clean hands and an open mind)

Yeah, if only there was something you could do about the criticisms of how long the book is taking to come out. But it's not in your hands at all. (it being a keyboard to write a book).

In other news check out half an encyclopaedia, 5 other tv shows, a bunch of Wild Cards books, a cinema, a railroad, my new arrangement of toy soldiers in my mancave house and *fart* etc

Tofu Injection
Feb 10, 2006

No need to panic.
I really wish dude would just admit he doesn't want to write the loving thing and give up.

Junkenstein
Oct 22, 2003

quote:

If I had kept on with the readings, half the book might be out by now.

As if he's written half.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep
I love how he boosts about introducing new important characters that late into the story like that was good thing

Even if he somehow managed to publish 2 new huge bloated books, I’m pretty sure he would not be near the end of the story anyway

Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Jul 9, 2022

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
I feel like the man honestly believes he invented the process of “gardening” while writing a story and doesn’t understand that there have been plenty of prior successful “gardeners” who not only did it better but also finished within a reasonable amount of time.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Officially laying the ground work for only half of what should be Winds to be published before he dies.

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DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019


All three hundred pages are Mercy chapters

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