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Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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I think we should all be better at going "yeah, remember that Swedish Nazi lady GURM works closely with" every time we talk about the books out in the wild

"Oh, you didn't know one of GURMs closest associates is both racist and transphobic?"

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Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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I wonder how much I'd hate myself if I had to grift a book series that ended over a decade ago with one of the protagonists making GBS threads herself to earn money

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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some bust on that guy posted:

He used to make lots of great videos making GBS threads on GoT episodes too. I thought they were the best summary of what they were doing wrong, and they were funny and entertaining. All the crazy theory stuff if for fun. Preston is cool.

My default stance on aSoIaF nerds outside this thread are idiots, but I assume you are correct

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Invalid Validation posted:

Anybody seriously making content for ASoIaF at this point is a lunatic.

Kylaer posted:

And that's why GRRM stopped a decade ago :hmmyes:



:lol:

:hmbol: even

aSoIaf: Anyone making content for aSoIaF is a lunitic, and that's why GRRM stopped

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Evil Fluffy posted:

I wish this quote and reply could be the thread title somehow.

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Kylaer posted:

If we had not at one point loved him, we would have no reason to hate him.



Kylaer posted:

I really don't hate GRRM, and I don't care about ASOIAF any more either, moved on from that years ago. But I won't move on from this thread until GRRM is dead, a crescendo of shitposting takes place, and it can at last be closed.

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Mr. Nemo posted:

You will be here with the rest of us reading whatever scraps get published, don't fool yourself

Unless people go "WOW THIS MADE IT ALL WORTH IT" I'm going to read a synopsis instead

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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pidan posted:

Honestly, five years ago I'd totally have believed that he has a bunch of chapters that are just not yet ready to be published. But at this point I think he has nothing. A few of them would have to be in a state where he can at least talk about them or publish them as a preview. He hasn't written a word of ASOIAF since Dance.

He had a bunch of "not ready to publish" chapters. Then he released them in 2011 :george:

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Collateral posted:

He has a "team" now though?

His personal assistant mostly helps him wipe and shower though, so I'm not sure how it helps with writing... maybe he also bakes lemoncakes?

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Midwife discussion is as useless as nipples on a breastplate and half as pleasurable

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Honestly, if GURM can redeem the Reeds and make them the focal point I'll at least read the books. Maybe forgive him. Maybe

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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chaosapiant posted:

This is where I am. I fully expect a giant 6th novel at some point that is pretty decent, offers some good payoffs from books 4 and 5, and most of all, ends on several giant new cliffhangers that never ever get resolved.

Here’s my secret: I still enjoy the books, including 4 and 5, and I also like the show, even the ending. My biggest beef with the show isn’t any of the plot points themselves, but that seasons 7 and 8 are so much shorter, and some of the plot twists don’t feel earned as a result.

But should book 6 come out I’ll gladly read it. I’m not going to pretend like all of a sudden he’s a poo poo author writing poo poo books.

It's called Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm is in Sweden, so that means your as bad of a human as the swedish lore nazis by proxy

Sorry, I don't make the rules

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Elias_Maluco posted:

He wrote 3 good books, and two weak messy ones with some good moments

He wrote 3 good books, and a weak messy one with some good moments, and one so truly horrible that Gutenberg would've smashed his printing machine if he'd known

I had more enjoyment reading book 10 of Wheel of Time where there are three chapters per main character where they just travel, ending with a single Rand chapter where he cleanse the source with next to no buildup

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Ravenson posted:

That was book 9. Book 10 is the one where Jordan got the timelines back in sync by having every significant plotline react to the cleansing by going "Wow something interesting is happening over there. Should we teleport in or just not give a gently caress?" and then deciding to not give a gently caress because we already saw who was at the event and it wasn't any of them.
Yeah, book 6-10 was bad, but at least they existed, and in the end we got a good resolution. I've forgotten it, but I seem to remember I was happy about it


Waltzing Along posted:

I'm about 75% of the way through this first book.

Best character by far is the lord commanders crow.
Worst is Sansa. Sansa is somehow worse in this book than she was on the show.

Did anyone here read the book when it was new. Before the 2nd book came out? And if so, how much of a mindfuck was it?

I started reading them around 2002, and they were really good up to aSoS. Not sure how much of a mindfuck it was after Headless Ned

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Xiahou Dun posted:

Did you just complain about spoilers, in this thread?

I remember the good old days when we spoiled anyone who came into the thread just out of spite

:allears:

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Guy A. Person posted:

It was honestly just amusing that the guy pushing the books on me also spoiled them immediately

Yea and tbf even knowing that I still thought Ned might go to the wall before dying or being sidelined

Noob. He should've said "Robb dies in the Red Wedding btw", or Jon is a Targaryen

soviet elsa posted:

Lol GOT fans loved doing this. My best friend was one of the fresh, super-invested show watchers, and a huge Robb Stark fan. She managed to mostly avoid spoilers for two years. A huge part of my fun was watching each episode and seeing how she reacted to stuff like Blackwater. Usually with too much wine between us.

Sure was great sitting on that, and then the biggest moment of the season was spoiled day of. Not by actual SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE types, but by her having two brain cells and noticing all the "ohohohoho what will happen when Robb goes to the evil old man castle, no one is safe!!! Show watchers will be in for it tonight ;)" all over Twitter.

I made sure to not spoil my GF just because I wanted to see her face as she got as disappointed as I did when I got to aDwD, because I knew from the start the show would suck after the battle of blackwater

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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ItohRespectArmy posted:

im pretty sure d&d just stopped reading the books after the red wedding and did everything after that based off of scribbled notes and vibes.

Not gonna hand it to them, but the books sucks after the Red Wedding, so it was a good call

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Waltzing Along posted:

I've heard once I get to book 4 things will go a completely different direction from the show. That's really why I decided to do this, just to see what actually happens. But how far are they going to diverge? Unrecognizably?

You'll hate yourself for wasting time on both after the "split", so it's pretty recognizable that way

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Liquid Communism posted:

Dany never had any chance of it, he signaled right from the start that she was not particularly hinged, and then did everything possibly narratively to make her lose it. Hard to expect even a well-balanced sheltered noble girl to stay particularly sane after being sold to what she sees as barbarians as a child bride at 13, and screwed over by literally everyone except Drogo.

Also, as a reminder:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180924150156/https://ew.com/article/2011/07/12/george-martin-talks-a-dance-with-dragons/

But in the head of :george: they were still kids, and he wanted them to gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Platystemon posted:

The show’s Sand Snakes still aren’t as cringe as the book’s Darkstar.

He is of the night.

You shouldn't besmirch ~-*-~Darkstar~-*-~ ITT if you know what's good for you

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Communist Thoughts posted:

The point of ~•darkstar•~ is he is cringe joke the best character, he'd have been a fun show character in an alternate universe the protagonist if the next books were ever written

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Xiahou Dun posted:

What the gently caress is this Ser Pounce erasure
Young whippersnappers can't recognize greatness like Ser Pounce or ~•°Darkstar°•~. They probably think Lem Pisscloak is an insignificant character too

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Tarnop posted:

Related, over in the TVIV thread for D&D's latest, 3 Body Problem, we're having a good time discussing all the changes D&D made to the books and the massive plot holes a bunch of them create. Plus ca change, eh?

This sounds less fun than rereading A Feat for Crones

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Who Is Lem Lemoncloak On 'Game Of Thrones'? He May Play A Big Role

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Waltzing Along posted:

I'm a bit into book 2 now. I'd heard that Stannis was really cool. So far he is garbage tier. He's not stupid (so far) like sansa but he's just such a dick. He's totally unlikable. Yuck.

I never liked Stannis. He doesn't do anything cool enough for me to remember it. I liked the onion Knight though

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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I just wish we'd seen more of the wolves. Introducing cool animals and forgetting about 4/5s of them is a bad decision and lovely way to break the tropes

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Josuke Higashikata posted:

I think the show might be a bit dumb tbh

Who are we to judge? Were all iddiots with double d for picking up the books in the first place

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Kylaer posted:

Realism is not important, and indeed can often be detrimental to the story someone wants to tell, but internal consistency is important if you want your story to built on something other than handwavey bullshit.

The GRRM claims his books have both, but they do not possess either.



Hasselblad posted:

~*Darkstar*~ on the best character list.

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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von Metternich posted:

The thread was always best when it was book-knowers laughing at show-only people, so it'll pick back up again when HOTD season 2 comes out.

I'm also still upset that they did DotD instead of the first Blackfyre Rebellion. They're not going to do TWO civil war shows between people in blonde wigs. (Please tell me I'm wrong)

Day of the Dentacle?

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Best chapter was Dany making GBS threads liquids on the steppes

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Woodpile posted:

Not surprising given that he probably spent his adolescence rooting through the hamper for his sister's undies like a trufflepig.

It's in these moments I really miss PKMN Trainer Red :smith:

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Waltzing Along posted:

Is this the Trump LOL thread?

No

I'm just an idiot :smith:

edit: Though OPs statement would be equally true for both GURM and Pmurt

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Pepe Arnold posted:

Working my way through Book 1 for the first time. I haven’t seen season 1 since the year it came out and it is unbelievable how much the show nailed it. I don’t think I’ll have the stamina to finish the series (like our fat author himself), especially knowing how the show ended. Catelyn was blah in the show but what a nasty woman she is to Jon in the book. Total miserab’

Too late to back out now. You need to suffer like the rest of us

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Kylaer posted:

Don't worry, you can read all five existing books and won't be anywhere close to finished with the series :hmmyes:

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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otoh, maybe GURM decided to write it because he watched some asphyxiation porn while researching for the next Wild Cards book

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Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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