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Happy Hat posted:Just returned from the semi-annual run to Alsace for wine. Do you drink all the wines you get per year or are some saved for cellaring; if so, what are some good producers to do this with? I know next to nothing about Alsace but after having had some interesting variations from them in a dinner a month ago, I'm curious about their potential longevity.
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Happy Hat posted:Well.. the longevity depends on two things I think - the terroir and the type. Thank you for the introduction, it's quite helpful! In regards to the producers and terroir, it appears a bit to be like Burgundy where the GC appellation is not necessarily a guarantee in quality; just for another reference and if you don't mind, I would be really appreciative if you could list some of the houses/producers/terroir for the four noble variety GCs in your own cellar. Lastly, if there any books that have helped you and are have an English version out there, please tell me; I apologize for the additional requests.
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Happy Hat posted:I think wine hipsterism is drinking mead Mead is already old hat for beer nerds, those hipsters have to move on I guess. I think one being in wine would automatically exclude a hipster presence.
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Looking for some recommendations for good 1er cru vineyards and/or producers specifically in Chambolle-Musigny, Chambertin and Vosnee-Romanee; I've been reading Morris' Cote de Nuits book and while it's definitely informative about almost all of the grand & 1er cru vineyards, at the end of the day they are just one man's opinion and only has depth for the few 1er that he deems to be exceptional. I have a fair number of Chambertin grands and some Cote de Beaune but I am pretty lacking when it comes to 1er experience & bottles.
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bsummmit posted:I had a bang on Domaine Faiveley Chambolle Musigny 1er Cru d'Orveau last week. 2010. Sadly it was a pricey option (130 in NYS pre tax). Looks like d'Orveau is rare by itself regardless of the price point; also, I'm not trying to find great deals necessarily on burgundy and will expect a certain amount because that's reasonable. I'll keep an eye out for Rion's stuff, I see that he covers pretty much all the more higher recommended Chambolle 1er Crus so he could be worthwhile to keep a tab on. I just purchased some 2011 1er Cru Faiveley Clos d'Issarts and Confuron Les Suchots so I'm looking forward to trying to piece together some sort of baseline. In regards to Willamette, do you have any recommendations on what wineries to focus and compare? I'm pretty clueless when it comes to most non-Californian New World wines.
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Aug 3, 2015 21:49
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I picked up a couple of bottles of Cameron at K&L and I guess I'll drink them side-by-side with a young Gevrey 1er. Thanks for the direction!
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Aug 4, 2015 04:07
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Overwined posted:If you can ever get your hands on anything Cameron makes, buy it. He does not distribute his wine outside of Oregon, but I had a Pinot Noir called "Clos Electrique" from the mid-90s or maybe even late '80s and it was the single best Oregon Pinot Noir I have ever tasted. Thanks for this recommendation; I had a 2012 Abbey Ridge with a 2009 Jadot Lavaux St. Jacques 1er and while it didn't come to the level of the 1er, it was among the best West Coast pinot I've had in a long time. The only pity is that it doesn't seem to be that widespread in California but I'm hoping I can eventually purchase some of the Clos Electrique.
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Aug 17, 2015 04:40
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Just had some Gerard Mugneret 2013 les suchots for dinner and it's truly fantastic. The wine transmuted into this ethereal layered liquid with a delicate fruit core and a hint of spiciness that faded at the beginning. I'm going to have to re-up for a case of this.
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Oct 19, 2015 01:30
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Perfectly Cromulent posted:Oh God! You've had one of those Burgundy experiences. I see a lifetime of It's all part of this Burgundy futures shares that I've bought into so the  has already happened and I'm way past committed. I picked mostly Gevrey-Chambertin, Vosne-Romanée and Chambolle-Musigny 1ers with some Chassagne-Montrachet to round out the former so I'm not too worried unless we get another '04 harvest debacle occurring.
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Oct 19, 2015 05:23
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Kasumeat posted:I literally never buy red Burg anymore without tasting it first. Even recommendations from people I trust get taken with a grain of salt. I haven't been disappointed with any of the red purchase I've made so far but most of them have come from fairly well known producers and vineyards with a fair amount of reputation. I tried going the Pinot route from other countries, hence the Orgeon requests and haven't been disappointed at all with the suggestions given (Cameron) but the problem is that the quantity available is sometimes less than what Burgundy offers. What would you recommend from Canterbury and Hemel-en-Aarde as being good Pinot alternatives?
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Oct 19, 2015 18:06
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Stringent posted:So I'm going to be back in North Carolina over Christmas and I wanted to get a nice bottle of something. Unfortunately K&L doesn't ship to North Carolina and I haven't exactly been blown away by the other online shops I've found so far. Could anyone recommend one that ships to NC? You could just ship it yourself to whatever address you'll be at in NC. It's pretty easy and I recommend FedEx: get a label, drop it off at the counter and don't say anything.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:13
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Stringent posted:I live in Tokyo, so that might be kinda iffy. Ah, yeah intl shipping is a little harder  . That being said, I can help be a redirect point - email me at safuriouslobster at gmail
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Oct 27, 2015 02:25
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Kasumeat posted:Pyramid Valley and Pegasus Bay are great Pinot producers in Canterbury, and Hamilton Russel and Newton Johnson in Hamel-en-Aarde. Forgot to report but I picked up a bottle of 2010 Pyramid Valley Calvert Otago and really enjoyed it! It has less complexity but the balanced spice and awesome bouquet make it a real easy and enjoyable daily drinker.
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The problem with this article and its use in your wishful claim is that the comparisons of the NZ wines were done with and I quote " some of their finest white burgundy equivalents" that are all either 1er or village. Crimson posted:Regularly wins industry comparative blind tastings up against Montrachet and other famous Burgs that cost a lot more. I think some would make that argument, at least dollar for dollar. Do you have a link somewhere that shows this since I'd love to be able to afford GC better white chardonnays on a regular as opposed to yearly basis?
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Kasumeat posted:Look, it's not possible to decide on a definitive "best Chardonnay in the world" but unquestionably Kumeu River is one of the world's best Chardonnay producers, at literally one-tenth the cost of the competition. It completely crushed the Burgs in that tasting which are all generally considered excellent, if not the absolute best, and are astronomically more expensive. The Kumeu River Estate (their "village" bottling) was in there too and was preferred to most of the Burg. Your argument is inconsistent here since you first posit that it's impossible to decide on a "best Chardonnay" but then go around to say it is possible to determine a "best Chardonnay producer" with the assumption that the best producer is determined on the basis of quality of wine v. price per ml produced; if one's valuation is determined only by the taste and presentation of such wine, the cost per ml has no such function in finding the "best chardonnay producer". Secondly, the importance of the level of appellation in Burgundies is important because there are so many of them and other comparisons to determine what is among the best should be done with the highest level of quality that is generally recognized; if GCs aren't necessarily superior, then this would actually work in your favor if there was such a comparison to occur. If you believe that Kumeu's products can continue to crush Burgs then, you should recognize the inherent limitations of this comparative tasting. Lastly, GCs aren't always better as a matter of course since the producers' skills are also if importance - a Domaine Leroy village or 1er Cote de Nuits red can usually equal or double the price of a lesser known producer's version of a Richebourg or Griottes. There are also prominent exceptions where 1er vineyards like Clos St Jacques, Aux Brulees or Malconsorts will easily exceed a Charmes-Chambertin. Also the tasting is hasty in my opinion: Burgundy only really comes into prominent effect after multiple years of aging and it's easy to dismiss them early on.
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Crimson posted:You're being a bit pedantic. Thanks for linking to the same tasting that Robinson wrote about as above. I guess it's somehow earth shattering news that New World wines can beat village and 1er crus  .
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Kasumeat posted:I claimed that Kumeu River is arguably one of the best Chardonnay producers in the world and that it's excellent value to boot, and your response is this pedantic nonsense? You know perfectly well what I meant. Kumeu River is one of the world's best Chardonnay producers. Kumeu River's Chardonnays are incredibly good value compared to Burgundy. The latter doesn't somehow invalidate the former. Besides, you obviously haven't tasted the wines in question so why are you so fanatical about attacking them? Actually, I pointed out that the basis of your article is comparing not the best Burgundies and you respond with pedantry that GCs don't actually matter with your anecdotal beliefs about not always measuring up. And if you can't accept your best value argument isn't the end all, be all of one's opinions about what is the best wine/producer, I'm not sure what to tell you. And yes, I think the producers have mostly gotten over the premature oxidation problem and the whites are once again worth aging. Crimson posted:Read closer. They're not the same tastings. And I linked two different events. Did I say it was earth shattering news? You're an rear end. They're not? Since I asked for a GC comparison in regards to your ITB common knowledge and I get the same tripe about being the best wine vs village/1er and you use an ad hominem, great argument.  
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Kasumeat posted:You're repeating the same argument, refuting a point that I never made but you keep attacking. You haven't tasted the wines in question. You think premox is no longer and issue and you're wrong. You're an amateur arguing with wine professionals. Keep going. Your point is that Kumeu is among the best producers of Chardonnay in the world and you use as the basis for your argument a tasting that only compared the NZ's Burgundy wine equivalents, which is limited to village and 1ers. While you didn't make the point directly, the indirect argument is made for you in Robinson's article. I don't need to taste the wines in question to bring up the point that I wonder how well these wines would fare in comparison to GCs and that is premature at best to call Kumeu among the top when I still haven't seen either from you or Crimson, evidence of supposed common ITB knowledge of their besting the top Chardonnays from Burgundy.
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Crimson posted:You seem to be correct that it's the same tasting, the vintages don't entirely match up which threw me off. Jancis' article includes some 2013s which are not mentioned in the Decanter coverage. Regardless, the wines receive much critical adulation, so I ask you what would you deem as proper evidence that they are considered amongst the best Chardonnays in the world? Wine Advocate's Neil Martin straight up says they're one of the best in the world in his article about that tasting. I literally just attended a comparative tasting a couple months back with two master sommeliers featuring a new high end Chard from South Africa, and the comparison wines they used were two Grand Cru Burgundies and Kumeu River. It's selection alone is huge validation. The Kumeu River was everyone's favorite by a landslide, and one of the Burgs was premox. Go figure. This is one of several events I've been to between San Francisco and Las Vegas where some of the best palates in the world agree that Kumeu River is some good poo poo. Trouble is, I know this because I'm in the industry and they don't always publish articles on every tasting. This entire argument has been whether or not it is premature to call a new world winery that can beat 1er as the world's best burgundy producer when it still hasn't gone among the best of the chardonnay world, which both of you ITB people have either directly or indirectly admitted through your own worlds or articles. The upper echelon of the world's chardonnays, i.e. 1er and below, != the best, which is something you still don't get, for some strange reason. Call it what you want but if you're going to make fanciful claims and then try to qualify the best as being near it, I think that's a poor argument and a hasty conclusion. Being not part of the ITB crowd, I don't have your benefit of the doubt of seeing tastings where blind tastings have shown them beating the best and hence why I asked you for a link that showed this, since I didn't have any such luck on google either.
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I guess you missed some of my earlier statements but I've already made the acknowledgement that GCs don't necessarily mean better with the mention of Clos St Jacques, Malconsorts and Aux Burulees with the addition that producer skill also plays a huge part in determining quality as well, i.e. Domaine Leroy or Rousseau's high priced village or VV wines. The main point I've been trying to make in my definitely wanting to see another Paris tasting especially with other new world wines is that until it's done, then it's ridiculous to try to argue that Kumeu is the best chardonnay producer in the world. In fact, all of the other articles you've mentioned or that I've searched for usually mention a limitation done on the Burgundy selected so that it's a fairer comparison not only in price but also in quality. Lastly, I'm definitely trying bottles since I love getting near Burgundy quality without having to pay the associated price. I've also been doing that with trying to find NZ or OR pinots so I can drink with ease.
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Drank a '97 & '95 Opus One last night with a Special Club Paul Bara '04 Bouzy in conjunction some delicious steaks. The aging game finally paid off with a beautiful nose coming from the '97 and a faint hint of tannins. I feel like it could have aged for another ten years, which is when I'll open my last couple of bottles. I had Cameron's 2013 Clos Electrique with dinner and it's definitely my favorite New World Pinot producer now; I've tried a variety of CA, NZ and other OR producers but I love the nose on this and the New World acidity is well muted and balanced; I can't wait to try an aged bottle of Cameron's products and want to thank this forum for letting me know such a great producer is close by. NB even with shipping, purchasing from Oregon is far cheaper than anything CA stores have to offer; SEC wines offer the best deal on Cameron wines AFAIK.
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pork never goes bad posted:"New world acidity" idiotsavant posted:Al the cool kids are picking at 20 brix, man. Watch out, fillings! Not sure why but the New Zealand Pinot that someone recommended here tasted fine at first but after buying some more, the bottles had a really sour, acidic finish that wasn't as pleasant as before.
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pork never goes bad posted:I don't know how to mock you best. Helldumping always works well or you could just do it on foodchat. I could mock you as well but I only do that when I want to be pedantic.
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Has anyone had the Ultramarine series of california sparkling wines? They're doing their 2012 release and I've heard some good things about them but am still on the fence currently.
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Crimson posted:Are you in the industry? I'd be curious how you heard of it. It's extremely small production and hard to get. It's also amazing, best sparkling in CA hands down. Only thing that comes close in my opinion is Caraccioli, which is nice because you can actually buy Caraccioli. I'm not in the the business and heard of it when someone brought it to a tasting; I definitely enjoyed it so I signed up and received an allocation. I think there are a lot of good things being said so I got both the BDB and the Noirs.
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On a different note, I visited the Arcadian winery in Lompoc yesterday and Joe Davis' wines are some of the best representations of old world Pinot noir & Chardonnay outside of Burgundy. Highlights were the 09 Sierra Madre that had a Chambolle-Musigny soft fruit quality to it and the 00 Sleepy Hollow Chard. Also enjoyed the 01 Sleepy Hollow Pinot, while the 00 Pisoni still had a fair amount of tannins.
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 This is really nice and a fantastic deal at cost price; that being said, it's a lot harder to find and secondary costs the same as Allemand entry.
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 Had the above wines last night and thought the 08 is drinking the best right now - it has a really nice lithe palate with the floral delicacy that Fourrier has now. The 06 has more potential than the 08 but needs a little more time before it hits its stride.
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Not that we have a wine exchange thread but if anyone here as any vintage of Juge Cornas or knows an individual who does and is looking to part with a few bottles, send me a pm since trying to find it is really tough.
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PRADA SLUT posted:Whats the best option(s) for wine storage, with some bottles being 500ml (same radial dimensions as a 750, just shorter)? I'm looking to put freestanding storage in a cupboard. I'm looking for something roughly 6 bottles tall, 4 wide, but I could fit something of a larger dimension. I still use a couple of these in my off-site storage since they're modular and make wine transporting a little easier as well.
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Recommend me a natural wine from K&L that doesn't suck under either Crimson or everyone else's interpretation of the word "natural".
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mojo1701a posted:I'm very new to wines, but I have the chance to go to Paris and Strasbourg next month, and I thought I should start some actual appreciation of wine. This may be too broad of a request, but does anyone know of anything wine-related in those two cities that I can experience? For Paris, I love going to Willi's or Juveniles; they both have fantastic selections, good food and staff that can help you out.
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PRADA SLUT posted:Is there an iOS app people use for keeping track of the wine they drink, sort of like Untappd is for beer? I like to keep a record of what beers I've tried and want to do the same for wine. CellarTracker
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Crimson posted:The best Burgundian style New World Chardonnay producer is Kumeu River in Auckland, NZ. Hands down. I've seen countless people guess it as 1er Cru white Burg tasting blind. Stuff is so good, and very reasonably priced. Disagree. Arcadian Sleepy Holllow Chardonnay is where it's at for me; the 2000 vintage especially has gotten lots of love blind. Wasn't that impressed with Kumeu River but maybe not enough age on them yet?
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Anyone have recommendations for Berlin wine bars by chance? Have a couple of days off in Europe and decided to head out to Germany since I've yet to go.
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SonicDefiance posted:I was a pretty big fan of Wild Things. It's run by the same people who own Industry Standard, which is a) just around the corner, and b) has some pretty banging food and a compact but great wine list in its own right (at least, it did when I was there 12 months ago). Thanks I'll definitely check it out; I enjoyed the JP Brun Amour last night and so I'm now more interested in checking out other natural stuff. Not the biggest fan of the La Clarine but thanks for the previous recommendations, thread!
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Aug 16, 2017 21:27
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Thirding Chambers Street Wine; I'll be making my annual trip to NYC for thanksgiving and will definitely swing by there.
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Kasumeat posted:That's exactly the incredible nature of the 2010s: ripe, but with incredible acidity. It was a cool, sunny, and dry year, the holy grail. Germany was particularly high in quality because they had bad frost in the spring, so yields were minuscule. had some '15 charmes, csj, & griotte that were drinking really well; almost as strong potential as the '05 clos de beze & le chambertin that I had earlier this year.
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Stitecin posted:I don't have a real plan for what to buy, but I definitely want to get more than Sauternes and Port. How do you plan a birthday meal pairing with just those? Just get Champagne, it goes with everything.
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I've been slowly learning about German wines, specifically GGs and I was curious if anyone had an opinion of the Donnhoff offerings? Is price the best denominator to guide a newbie through this area? I've only had the Hermanshole GG '12, '14 and '15 but saw some friends really enjoying '14 Delchen so, I think I'll try to assemble all of their wines from a specific vintage to establish some kind of baseline.
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