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namesake posted:If value is derived externally from production then class struggle is just the struggle of individuals in the workplace over that value rather than exploited surplus value from labour to the bourgeoisie. Of course even without alienation you can generate a very strong social critique based on the outcomes and imbalances of this struggle but it tends to lead to social democratic frameworks rather than socialist ones. You also can't account for capitalist crisis as an internal necessity of the system without realizing that commodity production contains within itself a contradiction.
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Bob Nudd posted:I've enjoyed reading the back-and-forth between your brave self and a few of the other posters, and this post seems like a fair way to wrap it up. In my view punches were landed on either side, and I think that neither Marxism nor neoclassical economics emerges unscathed. Just as I'd expect: certainty is not easily had in this world, and just because your side is flawed doesn't mean my side is infallible. I would like you to summarize what you feel were the "punches landed" for each side of the debate.
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esquilax posted:It's all over the news, any article will tell you the meat of it. Mayor Rahm wants to extend the school day by like 90 minutes, which will mean teachers working longer hours. Rahm's position is that the salaries are already competitive, and that the city has no money for a significant raise (which is true). The teachers are saying that if they are working longer hours, then they should be paid more and are asking for a 30% bump (since lowered to 25% I believe). It's one of those cases where everyone is right and now its just a negotiation. Specifically, he wants to extend the school day by 90 minutes and the school year by uh ... twenty or thirty days, iirc? The bottom line is that the union is demanding an increase in salaries commensurate with the increase in labor time and the city is refusing.
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It's kind of messed up that you would frame it as "everyone is right" when the city's position is "We want you to work 25% more, but we can't afford to pay you for that. Could you just ... do that, for free, please?"
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Sep 10, 2012 20:42
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Golbez posted:So are you saying there *should* be checkpoints, or are you just responding to the fallacy of "it never was, so it never will be"? I ain't him but from my lookin' it seemed like Goku Wilders objected to the characterization of 'customs checkpoints' as 'police state'.
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Oct 18, 2012 21:34
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:One example: It's worth noting that the paragraph you quoted is from a BrotherAdso post attempting to praise President Obama and that he characterized it in just that way because it was his explicit goal to downplay the criticism.
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Oct 19, 2012 21:55
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Blowdryer posted:I sent what mo_steel said (which was awesome by the way), and this is what I got back. Just call him a liar. No banks were "forced to hand out loans to people who could not afford them." It's a lie. He lied to you.
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Blowdryer posted:He has moved onto the fed after I dismantled the CRA cause. Why haven't you just called him a liar who spews talking points that have been proven to be false? I'm being totally serious here: he is willing to lie to your face. Do not engage.
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