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You Am I posted:The Subaru BR(o)Z The Subaru BReeZe
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Mat_Drinks posted:Not to be an MRS/MR2 apologist here, but I owned one for a bit and was actually quite surprised at how much could fit in the car. True, it doesn't have your fancy shmancy hooks for hanging grocery bags and whatnot, but with the top up you can fit a lot on the tray, in the compartments behind the seat, in the "frunk" and if you're not super tall, quite a bit even behind the seats. The wife and I road tripped it from Seattle to L.A. and back once and were able to easily fit all of our luggage for a week and our dog with smart arrangement. Clearly the solution is: 
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Nov 9, 2011 23:13
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Splizwarf posted:I always wondered for measurements like this: where exactly do my hips stop and become my back? I mean, the muscles underneath go mid-back to knee. Isn't the hip line at the natural axis of the hip joint? So like around rear end-level.
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Nov 12, 2011 22:41
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leica posted:I feel bad for all the NBA players that want sports cars but have to drive Escalades   quote:On the "Cribs" episode, Shaq introduced us to his "convertible forever," a Ferrari 360 Modena. Shaq had to cut the top off "forever" simply so he could sit in the vehicle.
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Nov 13, 2011 20:11
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Splizwarf posted:Like a 350z and a Mustang had a baby Just like the werewolf in Twilight, wanna gently caress dat baby
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Nov 17, 2011 05:44
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Piano posted:The area in front of the wheel rear bothers me (if we're going to nit pick). It looks like a fake wheel spat made out of negative body cladding. Since the concept probably has a ground effect kit of some sort, I bet it won't be on the production version. Ditto for the wing itself. I think a tasteful ducktail lip spoiler might look nice. Like this, but like at half the height:  Or as in the E46 CSL 
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Nov 18, 2011 04:30
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Nodoze posted:A cooper S is like 200hp and I wouldn't classify them as slow If the rumors are true and this car is ~2700 lbs, the same as a Cooper S, then it sounds good to me. Hopefully the lower power helps control insurance costs. (Who am I kidding? These are probably going to be expensive as hell.) Also, early english language review: http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/first-drive-toyota-86-20111128-1o1vi.html Seems to say that there's some usable low-end torque. Also, both rear seats fold down, which is pretty good. Using the absolutely useless methodology of comparing similar car prices in AUD, I would make a wild-rear end guess of $22-25k US base since the quoted price was "less than $40k AUD." That tallies with the Miata, which looks to be the closest competitor in terms of both price and general audience. A 2+2 coupe Miata that can fit normal-sized people actually sounds like a future AI superstar, if they can manage to keep the weight down and the electric steering doesn't suck too much. Hopefully, like the Miata, it will be bought more by secretaries than by boy-racer ricer types who will destroy them by the time they hit the used market. See also: shopping for a used WRX really sucks. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Nov 28, 2011 |
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Nov 28, 2011 01:18
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Snowdens Secret posted:From what I can tell it's kinda sorta trickle-down tech from the LFA, which is neat Yeah, Ford publicized theirs in 2009. It's used in even basic cars like the Focus. Similar devices have been around way before that as well, of course, since it's literally just a tube. If anything, the Mustang one is better, because it's made so that you can remove/replace the baffle if you want more or less noise. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/automobiles/01NOISE.html  It's also 1000 times better than what BMW did, which is a noisemaker. I believe the way their tech works is that a digital signal processor looks at the RPMs/ignition system and then synthesizes a noise to match the revs, with the synthesizer made to sound more aggressive when the car is set to "sport" mode.
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Dec 6, 2011 23:25
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Dunno, every time I'm blinded on the road it's usually some dude in a lifted truck who never bothered to re-aim their headlights. Are the Subaru OEM HIDs auto-leveling? That said, I'm not a fan of the super high color temp lights most HIDs have. On that note, what the hell BMW: BMW tests '1,000 times brighter' laser headlights quote:BMW is trying to stay out in front of lighting issues. That BMW 6 Series, shown above, has a feature called "Anti-dazzle High- Beam Assistant." It also has a feature with another odd name, "Dynamic Light Spot," aimed at making it easier to illuminate pedestrians before you're in danger of running them down. I know it's just a stupid engineering wank, as I can't imagine the power consumption from headlights is actually significant in any way, and the actual total output of the headlights will be pretty similar. But still, gently caress cool white lighting almost as much as blue lighting. That poo poo hurts my eyes. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Dec 7, 2011 |
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Dec 7, 2011 03:12
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It's insane that people are actually arguing over automatic HVAC on a car where navigation is standard. The touchscreen and nav stuff is an actual non-trivial cost that you can be mad about, especially since OEM nav is often ugly, slow, and gets out of date super quickly compared to comparable stand-alone units. What the hell? Doesn't Subaru OEM nav not even let you actually use it unless the car is in park or something retarded like that?
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Dec 8, 2011 19:06
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Wouldn't a hatch also sacrifice some handling unless you had a big cross-brace like the Nissan Z does?
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Jan 27, 2012 05:01
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If there was a hatch, there would be no room on the market for a shooting brake!  We can dream...
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Jan 28, 2012 06:30
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Piano posted:I think it's fair to say the r32 GTR planted the Japanese halo car seed. Wikipedia says they sold 44,000 r32 GTRs in five years, and those cars weren't cheap. I can't find a good source for the actual price was, I'm guessing $40-$60k in 90s money? Anyone? See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble Japanese finance got rich as gently caress all up until 90s. All those bankers needed something to drive. Add to that the executive peen fights between the various JDM carmakers over who could make the fanciest halo sports car (financed by their growing success overseas), and you got ridiculously over-designed supercars (insert FD RX-7 vacuum line diagram here) that nobody could afford. Then the 90s Japanese financial crisis came and killed them all off with awful exchange rates. Honestly, it's probably what killed off the cheap RWD coupes in Japan, too - young people couldn't afford to buy a new car because nobody had any jobs. Unfortunately, the same poo poo is happening to the US right now. Times are alright for luxury carmakers, but terrible for anything affordable. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Feb 2, 2012 |
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Feb 2, 2012 06:38
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ROFLBOT posted:The late '80s - early '90s really were Halcyon days for Japanese carmakers that in many ways they have not touched since. You can tell by the engineering and build on many models from that era that the budgets for them were pretty significant, likely greater than the models after this period. Not only that, but afterwards, Japanese cars lost their essential 'japaneseness.' Partly blame their popularity in the American market and the shrinking of the JDM market, due both to social trends that do not favor car ownership and general economic malaise. Japan's economy was in the shitter for a good 15 years, and it's not exactly doing great even now. That's why 42% of Honda's sales were in North America, for instance, and the profit margin is higher on its American products than domestically. And that's including the various large price subsidies and protectionist tariffs they get from the Japanese government for their domestic market. Maybe it's expansion or maybe it's just corporate decline, but the sad story of Honda is the big one there. It seems like Subaru was the last to go, but now even they're releasing an ever-growing line-up of weirdo crossovers and extremely fat cars (see: the godawful Legacy). Hopefully Toyota finds itself again, because man is their line-up bad. The only other car I would even think about owning is the Prius.
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Feb 3, 2012 02:14
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I do wonder how easily an SBC would fit in there...
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Feb 7, 2012 18:16
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InitialDave posted:Jesus, I've been saying for years that manufacturers of cars popular with either racers or ricers should be doing this. Big engine, poverty-spec everything else. Subaru USA did this on the WRX TR, which was the base trim for some years. "TR" stood for "tuner ready". The biggest difference was that it had shittier seats from the base impreza instead of the recaro-styled ones in the WRX, and also no side skirts. quote:WRX TR sedan deletes from WRX
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Feb 7, 2012 23:29
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wolrah posted:It doesn't look like it's too tight around the Toyota V8 in jamal's pic (though it probably will interfere with the hood), and I assume that's a DOHC engine, so a SBC/LSx should be even easier in comparison. I looked up the specs, and apparently a SBC is actually both narrower and shorter than the EJ series and similar engines, though it's significantly longer. Hell, weight on an aluminum block one might be similarish, too.
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Feb 7, 2012 23:38
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Billy Zane posted:BRZ with 16" wheels Hey, non-ugly wheels! Color me surprised after seeing those dumb two-tone things. Actually, they look a lot like the ones I already have (in the same size) except they're darker.
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Feb 10, 2012 01:41
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Lazor posted:I hadn't seen that picture before and I think it's answered my one question about this car. I'm thinking of getting one of these to replace my STI betting on the fact that I'd be able to put my son in the back (can't do that in a miata or s2k). He's already 2.5 years and forward facing so I was pretty confident he'd fit(I can put his car seat in the back "seats" of my parents' extended cab Colorado) and the picture that was posted at least confirms that some kind of car seat will fit. I'm not so sure about a rear facing seat though. They take up a lot more room than forward facing seats even if they're smaller because they stick out so far forward up high making them hit the seat in front requiring it to be moved forward a good amount. It may work if that's all your carrying but it could may put the seat at a very uncomfortable position for a front passenger. Also, it will be really hard to get the kid in unless you have a baby seat that snaps into a base that stays in the car (highly recommended when the kid is small enough to just carry around in the seat). I don't know how you would even put a kid straight into a rear facing seat in the back of a 2 door, that just doesn't seem like it would work very well. For my situation, I just need to have the ability to carry my son in the car occasionally, if we all go somewhere we can just take my wife's car. Right now my son loves riding in my car, if we go anywhere he always wants to ride in "dada's car." Hopefully he'll appreciate the next one as much as I hope to, I know he will if it has a turbo. Gen Coupe can do it. But it's a bigger car. 
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Feb 14, 2012 03:03
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's nice to be able to do it when absolutely necessary but I really wouldn't feel comfortable taking my kid to daycare that way every day - I know it's quite safe relatively speaking but it would be at best annoyingly cramped to get the lil fucker in and out of it. I mean for stuff like that just stick the thing in the passenger seat and make sure the airbag is off, right? Is it significantly worse in the front versus the back in a car that size?
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Feb 14, 2012 22:21
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Billy Zane posted:According to this article, Toyota started making a profit on Priuses some time in 2001. Yeah but the actual profit margin has been described as "in the single digits" as recently as 2011. It's even worse because Toyota was forced to cut prices due to competition from the Honda Insight. There was also an article where they said the coming new generation would be the "first truly profitable generation," and even that has stuff like the Prius C which is, I believe, going to be another loss-leader / barely break even proposition due to its extremely low price. That said, I'm sure they do make decent money for dealers because it's difficult to service them outside of the dealers.
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Feb 16, 2012 22:52
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Brigdh posted:I thought corollas and a couple other basic Toyotas were made here. Their highest volume models and also giant trucks the rest of the world mostly doesn't want. Setting up a second production plant is absurdly expensive. Doing it for a model that will possibly sell 1000 units annually wouldn't make any sense.
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Feb 17, 2012 04:01
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InitialDave posted:gently caress the lot of you, that'd be a bargain on the other side of the Atlantic. Yeah but we have to pay for healthcare, too.
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Feb 18, 2012 18:29
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Muffinpox posted:We don't hate it because 27k isn't a bargain, it's because the 25-30k market for cars is saturated with a ton of good cars that all look a lot better on paper than the BRZ, except for in curb weight. You can get a Genesis 2.0T or 3.8 R-spec in that range which is just a fat BRZ and is going to have 274hp or 330hp next year. Especially when the V6 Mustang starts at $22k with 305hp and the 420hp V8 is $30k. I know they're totally different cars aside from being RWD coupes and you can't compare them, but still, $27 sounds ridiculous. I think it's likely that the 27 price includes the "market adjustment" for new desirable models, though, especially given Scion's normal pricing policies. Hell, a similar new car competitor to this car is a Miata, which starts at $23k and has a huge enthusiast following with lots of go-fast parts and factory support. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Feb 18, 2012 |
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Feb 18, 2012 19:45
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InitialDave posted:Yeah, we haven't got those over here. What's the comparative price for a Miata over there? Or the import Mustang?
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Feb 18, 2012 19:49
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Yeah, hairdressers might not know/care about FWD vs. RWD, but they probably will notice things like axle-to-dash and other proportion stuff. Hopefully that's enough? Also, that pic makes me notice that there's more front overhang on this compared to the concept that was shown earlier. I'm assuming this is for US bumpers and whatnot?
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Feb 20, 2012 19:21
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Cakefool posted:No, people who drive like morons are going to be attracted to this car. Downside: high insurance costs Upside: increased sales volume from idiots replacing their wrecked cars Far better they blow through new-production vehicles instead of destroying nice used older cars. I'm sure the number of older VWs is already reaching critical levels after the twin plagues of krauting and hellaflush.
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Feb 21, 2012 20:06
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Dave Inc. posted:I demand that the FR-S / BRZ now be referred to as the "Fuss-bus". FR-S BRZ looks like Furious Breeze.
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Feb 22, 2012 04:09
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They better make it easy to get rid of the inevitable nav system lockout for when you're in motion, because that poo poo is the worst. I wish there was an enthusiast community that hacked factory nav units like they do for cell phones. The silver plastic trim in the Subaru version looks pretty bad, too, but the bodywork looks much cleaner and I've always liked the STi alcantara seats from their other cars. I also think this car would look amazing in deep green. I wonder what it would cost to get a wrap or something.
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Feb 26, 2012 03:17
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Guinness posted:The last time I bought a car (last year), I was cross-shopping the WRX, S2000, A3, and 330Ci. So, yeah, weird competition. Because it often sort of turns into benchracing, where stuff like the Mustang will win almost every time based purely on price because it's $23k base.
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Feb 28, 2012 03:25
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Dielectric posted:I cross-shopped the Dodge Magnum and the Mini Cooper S. Really? Like what? I don't see what's wrong with it. The car seems pretty well engineered to me.
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Feb 28, 2012 03:29
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Leper Messiah posted:Sadly, no, the Golf R only comes in red, white, black, grey, and blue. The blue is basically STI blue and about the only exciting color. Too bad, that limited edition Farenheit Orange they sometimes do is pretty boss. I'm still hoping for green on the BRZ. Fat chance, though. Can wraps change the cars color? I figure it'll help protect the infamous Subaru paint. edit: I just looked it up and apparently the Golf R is like $35k? What the hell? Isn't it basically comparable to a WRX? That's like Evo/STi, 5.0 Mustang, or borderline BMW money. You could buy a well-used Cayman S for that. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Feb 28, 2012 |
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Feb 28, 2012 07:37
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bull3964 posted:As I put it before, it has a slightly better power to weight ratio (assuming 2600 lbs) as the WRX before they upped the HP to 265 and it will have less drivetrain loss. BMW E30 M3 195 hp (6750 rpm) 170 ft lbs (4600 rpm) 2,724 lbs weight Subaru BRZ 200 hp (7000 rpm) 150 ft lbs (6300 rpm) 2,690 lbs weight
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Feb 28, 2012 22:19
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Splizwarf posted:That kind of numbers comparison needs center of gravity info too. And if you're specifying an E30 M3 I'll want stock quarter miles too, because those things took a long time to get going. Center of gravity will probably be lower on the BRZ, since the FA is an all-aluminum boxer instead of an iron block(?) DOHC with aluminum head (is this right for S14?). As for the Ford Fusion hypothetical, it all depends on how the Fusion feels. I'm going to guess that things like steering feel, brake feel, and suspension setup will be far less communicative, responsive, and interesting. I know I'm not ever going to be super fast. I'm resigned to the fact that I'll never be as fast as someone with more talent, experience, and cash. So I'd rather have a car that makes me feel like I'm going fast and lets me gently push the limits at legal/mildly extra-legal speeds while training me to drive RWD properly. I feel like the iconic car for this is the Mk1 Golf GTi, which by modern standards has laughable performance but is arguably still really fun to drive. I would drive one except for the fact that I'd probably die if another car so much as breathes on it, and also because my living arrangements don't allow me to do any maintenance at home. I love the E30 too, but honestly they're coming on 20+ years now and even the few mint condition ones simply don't hold up to modern standards for safety, reliability, etc. I don't have the time or expertise to own one in a cost-effective way. I want a similar experience in a new modern car. So the BRZ gives me hope. The only thing I would change about the BRZ for my personal situation would be to make it a square coupe sedan/hatch so that it's less of a ticket magnet. Obviously this is kind of dumb and most people will disagree. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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Feb 29, 2012 20:44
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Barn Owl posted:Hopefully by the time I get my 04 2.5rs to 150k they'll have a wagon or shooting brake BRZ. I prefer my plan where I win the lottery and have a coachbuilder make me one. I think it's slightly more likely, after all. Actually, no, I would have the coachbuilder do me that Challenger-look station wagon someone photoshopped once.
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Mar 1, 2012 07:36
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beatdown posted:Is the frameless up/down window thing new to subaru? I know they've always done frameless but I don't remember seeing that action in anything other the BMW. Yeah, the old WRX/Imprezas didn't do it. It's probably something engineered by the supplier, so for all we know it might actually be the same mechanism as on a BMW. Rabble posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8qEtOld0g&feature=youtube_gdata_player Mmm listen to that tractor purr. Oh, also you are cool and a cool person except for the decision to shoot those videos in portrait mode, which is uncool and a terrible trend. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 1, 2012 |
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Mar 1, 2012 20:15
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Adobe PDF readers are buggy pieces of poo poo and are probably close to a number one vector for internet infections now that web browsers are finally getting their poo poo together in regards to security. Never, ever use the Adobe viewer plug-ins and think hard before opening random mysterious PDFs.
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Mar 5, 2012 21:10
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Elephanthead posted:I hope the MID says Hella Driftu when the traction control kicks in. It will award you kudos points.
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Mar 6, 2012 19:26
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Cat Terrist posted:Not a surprise. Well, it's probably been included as part of their advertising and promotional budget to give away some early bodies in white or whatever.
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Mar 7, 2012 03:00
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Piano posted:Toyota gives/gave lotttttssss of money to people who race Scion TC's, often throwing in a car as well. I'd demand money if I was told to take a dive, too.
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Mar 7, 2012 04:57
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