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Sep 1, 2009

dumptruckzzz posted:

I definitely get cat urine whenever I drink something that's got Simcoe hops in it, I think that might be common though cause one of my friends who doesn't drink much beer but has had cats all his life picked it out pretty instantly.

Yeah, I definitely get the cat piss aroma from beers heavy on the Simcoe hops. I think it's one of those things that only some people are sensitive to, like Summit hops smelling like green onions, or amarillo hops tasting like aspirin.

I haven't gotten cat piss from a sour beer before, though. Lots of other nasty stuff, but not that.

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Sep 1, 2009

Kudosx posted:

Edit: In other news, Fat Head's in OH won the National IPA Championship, and they've won it 2 out of the last 3 years. Their Head Hunter IPA won it. It's one of my favorite IPAs I've ever tried, I'm really glad they're opening a production brewery!

Here's the bracket if anyone is interested http://brackets.brewingnews.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=418946

It beat beers like Firestone Walker Union Jack, Green Flash West Coast IPA, and Ithaca Flower Power along the way, pretty impressive run!

They won the Brewing News National IPA Championship.

Any IPA competition where vile poo poo like the Widmer Spiced IPA not only makes it to the 4th round, but beats good beers like Hopworks IPA and Elysian Idiot Sauvin is not a competition I can take seriously. Also, Full Sail's IPA, while a pretty good beer, should not make it to the semi-final round of an IPA competition.

Edit: not down on the Fat Head IPA in any way. I've never had it, nor many of the other beers in there. From the results of the beers that I have had, the bracket is a real head-scratcher. Who judged this competition?

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

People like different things than others? That beer contest wasn't meant to be seen as an end-all be-all list for IPAs? My world is upside down now!

You do realize that one can acknowledge the fact that people can have different tastes than others and still think that a given preference is surprising, don't you?

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Sep 1, 2009

Angry Grimace posted:

I have no idea what you're even ranting about here. Only total spergs require other people to actually state that their opinions are opinions because its patent that when you say something obviously subjective, it's an opinion.

I had a Red Chair IPA and I'm totally confused. It tastes extremely malt-forward with barely any hops at all. It's like a strong amber/red ale as opposed to an IPA. Is it just the ABV that's causing them to classify it as an IPA?

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't get what the fuss over my comments was about.

Re: Red Chair, it seems that we've gotten to the point in our hop craze that there is now enough of a gap between Pale Ale and IPA for a whole new category (Extra Pale, Strong Pale, etc.) I'm pretty sure that Deschutes calls it something silly like a "Northwest Pale Ale" rather than an IPA. The beer is around 6% ABV and 60 IBU, so it's basically a malty version of what USED to be called an IPA. Kind of funny that 60 IBU is not considered very hoppy anymore.

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Sep 1, 2009

SUPER HASSLER posted:

That + barleywine is where it's at.

And the Baltic Porter

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Sep 1, 2009

Drinking a New Belgium Cocoa Mole right now and I'm surprised by how much I'm enjoying it. They did a really nice job achieving some sort of balance with these flavors. The cinnamon does start to get a little overpowering the more you drink and I don't think I could drink much more than a 10oz or 12oz glass of it. Still, quite good.

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Sep 1, 2009

crazyfish posted:

I had this the other night and while it was good (and definitely worth buying at $6 for the bomber), I felt like I would have liked it a lot better splitting the bomber three ways rather than the two that I did that night.

Yeah, I was pretty glad I only had a 10oz glass of it.

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Sep 1, 2009

wattershed posted:

Best canned IPA:



I don't think they distribute very widely but drink it if you see it.

Fort George is a really solid brewery all around. Most everything I've ever had from them has been good to excellent.

consensual poster
Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

Two cases of KBS? Crazy if you ask me.

What makes you think it's all for him? :cheers:

BTW, seems like KBS makes for an interesting study in price psychology. Several people have commented that $20/4 pack seems expensive, and I wonder if those same people have no qualms about paying > $10 for a bomber of most other big, bourbon barrel-aged stouts even though they cost more per oz.

Personally, I wish more breweries packaged their big releases in smaller bottles. Makes them MUCH easier to drink.

Edit: ^^^^ one of those west-coast goons

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:



Coming soon! I'm going to pick up a St. Bernadus ABT 12 and a Rochefort 10 and have a fun night when I get the West 12.

That box looks like it should hold some sort of medieval-themed board game.

BTW, didn't you say that you disliked the St. Bernardus Abt 12?

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Sep 1, 2009

Josh Wow posted:

I get the cat piss smell from some IPAs that use both Columbus and Simcoe as aroma hops, most notably Sweetwater's IPA. It doesn't smell exactly like cat piss but it's very reminiscent of it.

Totally agree. The smell isn't like ammonia or like a cat box that hasn't been cleaned few days. It's not a harsh aroma, just really pungent. It also seems to be similar to the Summit green-onion aroma in the sense that only some people notice it, and the rest look at you funny when you describe it.

Drinking a Ninkasi Tricerahops and a DFH 90 Minute IPA side-by-side right now. Hard to say which I like more at this point. The 90 Minute might have a slight lead. They are pretty similar. Tricerahops has a bit more malt character and depth and the 90 Minute is a bit more interesting aromatically. Both are damned good beers.

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

I drank an Ayinger Celebrator tonight and am I the only one who thinks it tastes and smells like concord grapes? I'm looking up reviews and don't get anything of what others are describing, it's as if I'm drinking a different beer.

All the normal ~taste buds~ disclaimers apply, but I love the stuff and never got any concord grape-like smells or flavors. You sure the stuff was stored properly?

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Sep 1, 2009

CalvinDooglas posted:

I'm still denying that this is a thing.

It is a thing, especially Summit smelling and tasting like green onions. Also, Amarillo tastes like Aspirin to some people.

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Sep 1, 2009

Aopeth posted:

I live out in the desert, so if I want to get good beer on tap I have to drive at least two hours. I am (choose a color) with envy, though, because that sounds amazing! I have not yet had their Madrugada Obscura, but I loved Clutch from New Belgium, so I will be certain to seek this out.

Madrugada Obscura is much better than Clutch, IMO. Definitely try some if you can you can get your hands on it.

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Sep 1, 2009

Docjowles posted:

yo can i come to your birthday party

Speaking of DIPA's, I had Bridgeport Hop Czar the other night. Very "meh", with the caveat I have no idea how fresh it was. It did have a nice, powerful aroma--you could smell the drat thing clearly with the glass a foot from your nose. Nothing bad about it but it wasn't so great that I'd buy it regularly.

Everything from Bridgeport is very "meh", so I doubt it was a freshness problem. In fact, Bridgeport has taken the "Meh" crown from Widmer in Portland, IMO. Widmer is making some pretty good seasonal and experimental stuff these days.

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Sep 1, 2009

deadwing posted:

Yeah, Widmer has stepped their game up for sure. I really liked the Oatmeal Porter and Spiced IPAs they put out in the last couple of months.

I absolutely hated the spiced IPA. I think it may be the worst beer I've had so far this year. The aftertaste was really bad for me.

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

Edit: I've seen Elysian in NJ for ages, anything worth getting from them?

Idiot Sauvin IPA

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Sep 1, 2009

Sirotan posted:

Has anyone ever had a particularly good and memorable collaboration beer? I'm reading about Founder's first collab, which is with Green Flash, and I'm filled with 'meh'. What few collab beers I can even remember having, none of them were particularly great. I've still got a bottle of a Jolly Pumpkin beer called Collababiere, which was with Nøgne Ø and Stone, and it's probably one of the worst JP beers I've had.

The whole practice just seems a little unnecessary to me.

Allies Win The War was an excellent collaboration between 21st Amendment and Ninkasi.

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

IMO Rochefort 10 is better, I've drank two bottles of ABT 12 now and don't care much for it.

I'm interested to see what you have to say when you try the Westvleteren 12.

consensual poster
Sep 1, 2009

Cascade Brewing in Portland taps a live barrel of sour beer every Tuesday at their brewpub. They do this by hammering a tap into the barrel. Two weeks ago, there were a few problems with the tapping...







That's Black Raspberry sour beer being sprayed everywhere. They got the gusher under control, but it made a huge mess. I got there shortly after it happened and it was all over the ceiling, bar, walls, and even on tables 10 feet away.

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Sep 1, 2009

bengy81 posted:

...or how many companies think its ok to ship out bottles with crooked or missing labels.

Westvleteren :argh:

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Sep 1, 2009

rage-saq posted:

Doesn't ship.

Way to ruin my terrible joke.

In actual beer news, Gravity Mountain, an IPA collab between Terminal Gravity and Double Mountain, was really disappointing.

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Sep 1, 2009

mysterious frankie posted:

What's a good barleywine to ease into the style with? I've had a few- one on tap from GI and a couple at festivals- and they just haven't jived with me. It's a style I'd like to explore, but I think I need to find something mild/approachable to start with.

Anchor Old Foghorn

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

Also I'm not sure where you're picking up coconut in Abacus, but it's not there.

~taste buds~

Also, coconut is a common flavor descriptor in barrel aged beers and wines.

consensual poster
Sep 1, 2009

This Sunday, after you've appropriately honored your mother, crack open a nice bottle of beer to celebrate the birthday of Fred Eckhardt. Here in Portland, we'll be celebrating at Fred Fest.

The beer list:

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1. 10 Barrel - Belgian Strawberry Blonde - Fresh strawberry tartness accentuated by light esters & Belgian spices
2. 10 Barrel - Cynical Cascadian Dark Ale - Ample amounts of Magnum, Chinook & Cascade hops w/malty backbone
3. BridgePort - 2011 Raven Mad Imperial Porter - Smoky, roasty, chocolaty and boozy, with hints of burnt coffee
4. Breakside - 1st Anniversary Wheatwine - 5 types of wheat aged in Heaven Hill bourbon barrels for 12 months
5. Cascade - FredBonic Plague - Special blend of Bourbonics for Fred. Only 1/4 bbl on the planet
6. Deschutes - Barrel-Aged Date Night Imperial Porter - Brewed w/ chocolate, dates, figs, pomegranate molasses & conditioned on hibiscus flowers
7. Deschutes & Hair of the Dog - Collage (Debut!) - The Stoic, The Dissident, Adam & Fred aged for 2 years in different barrels
8. Firestone Walker - Wookey Jack Rye IPA - Rich, dark malts and spicy rye careen into bold citrus-laden hops
9. Full Sail - 2011 Black Gold - Bourbon Barrel-Aged Imperial Stout
10. Gigantic - St. Tennenholz Golden Halo Ale - Crystal malt, floral, fresh citrus rind
11. Hair of the Dog - Lila (Debut!) - New lager named after Alan's mom. 6% abv, lagered 12 weeks
12. Hopworks - Army of Darkness - Imperial stout aged for 9 months in bourbon barrels -- big, black & bold
13. Hopworks - Piledriver (Official Release May 19) - 2009 Dubbel Suplex aged 18 months in bourbon & wine barrels w/ sour cherries & brett
14. Laurelwood - Portlandia Pils - A keller version of this lager -- just for Fredfest
15. Lompoc - Cherry Bomb Proletariat Red - Fermented in Maryhill Winery port barrels with 40 lbs. of sour cherries
16. Lucky Labrador - Pavlov's Russian Imperial Stout - Rich, dark, deep imperial stout
17. Lucky Labrador - Gin-Barrel Super Dog IPA - Assertive NW IPA enhanced by aging in Ransom gin barrels
18. McMenamins Pearl Weizen - Aged on French oak that was soaked in Momakawa Pearl Sake
19. Midnight Sun - Moscow - Russian Imperial stout with rye
20. Midnight Sun - The New Black - Belgian Black Bier -- 2010 Pop Ten Series
21. New Belgium - The Trip VII - Pink Peppercorn IPA
22. Ninkasi - Oak-Aged Imperiale Stout - Oak aging makes this one a smooth operator
23. Prodigal Son - Sundown Saison - 2 saison yeasts, flavored w/ long pepper -- the dried fruit of an Indonesian vine
24. Rogue - Vintage Old Crustacean - Intense, robust, malty and dark -- the cognac of beers
25. Sierra Nevada - Summerfest - Refreshing pilsener-style lager
26. Sierra Nevada - Ovila Dubbel - Complex rich, malty sweetness with hints of clove, raisin & pepper
27. Stone - La Citrueille Celeste De Citracado - Stone/The Bruery/Elysian collabo w/pumpkin/rye/yam/fenugreek/birch bark/lemon verbena
28. Stone - Vertical Epic 11.11.11 - Hatch chiles and cinnamon
29. Widmer - Alt - The brothers' original beer and a perennial Fred favorite

I may just drink the Cascade FredBonic Plague and Deschutes/Hair of the Dog Collage until they run out of both. VERY excited about those two beers.

I don't know how I'm going to get out of bed on Monday morning.

consensual poster fucked around with this message at 07:27 on May 12, 2012

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Sep 1, 2009

Let's Talk Beer 3: Stone RIS: Great Beer, or Greatest Beer

Went to Fred Fest in Portland last Sunday.

Highlights:

  • Cascade FredBonic Plague - delicious Bourbon Barrel aged dark sour. It feels odd to say that this was slightly disappointing, but last year's Fred Fest entry was one of the best beers I've ever had. Guess I'll have to settle with this being merely awesome.
  • Midnight Sun Moscow - RIS with Rye. Motor oil. Delicious motor oil. I probably drank more of this than any other beer at the festival. Really loving good. One of the best RIS's I've ever had.
  • Deschutes/Hair of the Dog Collage: barrel aged blend of the Stoic, Dissident, Adam, and Fred. Ridiculously complex. A great beer, but could probably use a few years in the bottle to reach it's full potential.
  • Firestone Walker Wookey Jack Rye IPA: I love rye in beers, but this was even pushing the rye envelope for me at first. I came to my senses, though. The best dark/black IPA I've had. Seriously spicy up-front rye flavor. Really good.
  • Hopworks Piledriver: 2009 Dubbel aged in barrel with brett and cherries. One of the best things that Hopworks has ever done. Wonderfully complex and balanced.

Lowlights:
  • Full Sail 2011 Black Gold: poster child for everything that is wrong with Bourbon Barrel aged beer. Disgustingly sweet with loads of fake vanilla and caramel flavor from the barrel. To borrow a great phrase from someone in this thread, it was like drinking a Yankee Candle.
  • New Belgium Trip VII: pink peppercorn IPA. The nose showed promise, but the initial pepper assault was really harsh on the palate. A good idea executed poorly.
  • Stone/Bruery/Elysian La Citrueille Celeste De Citracado: to quote my girlfriend, if you have to shrink the font to be able to fit all of the bullshit you've crammed into your beer onto the page, you've done something wrong. I don't know what the gently caress these generally excellent breweries were thinking when they tried to make this Frankenstein's monster of a beer, but it's totally out of whack. There are far too many ingredients in this to ever make something balanced.

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Sep 1, 2009

Mahoning posted:

Any thoughts on this trio of Southern Tier stouts? Creme Broule, Mokah, and Jahva?

The only beer subject likely to stir up as much controversy as DFH 120 Minute IPA.

consensual poster
Sep 1, 2009

Corbet posted:

You must hate quads.

And barleywines.

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Sep 1, 2009

Corbet posted:

Man, you should really talk to the brewers over at Deschutes and tell them they're doing it wrong with that whole "Best AFTER" dating they put on their bottles.

Having recently had Black Butte XXI with 2 years of age and verticals of Abyss, I don't even want to drink those beers with less than a year on them. They are almost undrinkably intense fresh.

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Sep 1, 2009

CYBER SLIMER posted:

I like it when you're not probated. How long will you keep this up though? :iiam:

I like it when you continue to ignore all of the legitimate criticisms of your opinions about the ageability of beer and make ad hominem attacks against ShaneB instead. How long will you keep this up though? :iiam:

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Sep 1, 2009

air- posted:

New Belgium Tart Lychee is making it's way across the country now. Was once a pretty hard beer to find as it was draft only, but it's good to see another widely available and easy to drink gateway sour. Gonna definitely drink some while in Texas for the next week or so.

Definitely a gateway sour. I was wishing that it was more tart and funky when I had it. They did a really nice job with the lychee flavor. Came through pretty clearly for me.

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Sep 1, 2009

wattershed posted:

Anyone try the Sang Noir and care to suggest if I should have it now or sit on it for a while?

Sang Noir is great right now. It can definitely age a bit, but I don't know that it will get significantly better.

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Sep 1, 2009

bartolimu posted:

I'll echo this. Aging will mellow out the fruit a bit and bring up the sourness. It'll be different, maybe as good, but I can't see it getting better. It's probably the best sour beer produced in the Western Hemisphere.

I had a glass of the Sang Noir tonight and it's definitely one of the best sours in the western hemisphere. I wish I could do a blind tasting of Cascade Sang Rouge, Cascade Sang Royal, Russian River Supplication, and Russian River Consecration. They are all pretty similar and I want to see how they stack up against one another.

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Sep 1, 2009

ChiTownEddie posted:

Are there any decent beer bars/places in Vegas?
I am extremely unfamiliar with the city and while I do plan on getting drinks at the casinos while gambling I feel like at some point or another I'll want something that isn't light beer and g&t's.

There's also The Pub at the Monte Carlo which I don't think has been mentioned yet. They had a lot of good stuff on tap when I was there a couple months ago. No idea if the food is any good, though.

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Sep 1, 2009

cryme posted:

This truly is the best city in the world for beer

Haven't been to Philly in a long time and never for beer. What makes it so great?

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

Not just the number of bars, but the quality of them. What other state gets Pliny the Younger on tap? There's a reason. Philly also has one of the best selection in the country, you can't really think of a beer that distributes out of state that doesn't distribute to Philly that is worth a drat. Sure there are some, but you can find almost everything in Philly from Russian River to Alesmith to Cigar City.

Every state that gets Pliny the Younger, which is several, gets it on tap since it's not bottled.

Also, you should go back and read the statement of yours that I bolded. Do you actually believe that, or are you just making hyperbolic statements?

What's the brewery scene like near Philly? Are there interesting beers being made outside of Victory?

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

I'm aware it's a tap only release, from what I understand Philly was the only place outside of Cali to get it this year due to the incredible demand. I may be wrong on this, but that's what I heard this year. I wasn't fortunate enough to get it though because it was madness.

I really do believe what I said, I can not think of one brewery that brews high profile fantastic brews that ships outside of their home state that doesn't distribute to Philly. Every high profile beer I've ever heard about either comes to Philly or it doesn't leave the state.

As for breweries there aren't many excellent ones in the city, but within an hour and a half drive there are a lot of good ones. You're not going to find a better bar scene than in Philly though. Oh and Philly Beer Week is great.

No, there were multiple bars here in Portland, OR that got PtY this year. If I remember correctly, there were others outside the Philly area in this thread who said they knew of it being tapped near them.

Ah, so now the bar has moved from "worthwhile beers" to "high profile fantastic brews". How do you know that beer you don't have access to isn't fantastic or worthwhile?

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Sep 1, 2009

Midorka posted:

Name a great beer that is shipped out of state that isn't available in Philly and prove me wrong then. There probably are a decent amount, but you're not going to have an easy time finding one.

You're missing the point. You seem awfully confident of your claim given the number of good breweries out there.

That being said, Ninkasi, Deschutes, and Alaskan (Smoked Porter and Baltic Porter are great beers) don't appear to distribute to the Philadelphia area. That wasn't even very hard.

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Sep 1, 2009

bartolimu posted:

One of my drinking buddies manages a vet clinic. He's as intimately familiar with cat piss as anyone, and he never gets that smell from hops of any kind. He's something of a hop expert, too. Different people interpret the same aroma molecules differently, I suppose.

I definitely smell it sometimes, but only in beers with lots of Simcoe hops. It's not exactly cat piss either, more like the same aroma that gets described as cat piss or boxwood in sauvignon blanc. I think it's one of those smells that only some people get, like Summit hops tasting and smelling like green onions.

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Sep 1, 2009

Angry Grimace posted:

Sure, but its distributed very sparingly in 2 states out of 50 for one day per bar its served in. It's also overrated, if only because you can't possibly meet PTY's hype level.

It's distributed to more than 2 states. I agree with the rest of what you said, though. Having had PtY before, I'm pretty certain that it wouldn't really stand out in a blind line-up of DIPAs. It's good but not remotely worthy of the insane hype.

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