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Nothus posted:I don't think the concern is about competing with miners for the new cards, but trying to find a purpose for the used cards rather than having them become ewaste. not any concern of nvidia's tho and they are most certainly a business obligated to make profit. They get to sell at the scalper pricing, keep the profit and get to pretend to have moral high ground
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There won’t be much ewaste because they won’t sell that many of them. If Nvidia can succeed in destroying ROI by getting rid of “free” consumer cards completely and making it hard to get ahead on a CM card, there will be less overall negative impact they’re making on the world’s resources while also not angering the vast majority of buyers who buy a card and consider the money lost. Edit: FWIW, I think the 3060ti gets a revision but Nvidia won’t bother to botteneck the 3070 or higher. The ultra settings crowd is not going to go to consoles. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Mar 8, 2021 |
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njsykora posted:Also they know graphical progress is slowing down to the point where the entire marketing push for the 3060 was for 1060 owners to upgrade since even 5 years later it's still a very good card that's perfectly capable of running almost anything. If they want the consumer GPU market they kinda need to maintain a decent price point else everyone's just gonna stick with whatever card they already have since hey it still works. Counterpoint: VR. Some VR games can bring a 3090 down to its knees, so maybe Nvidia should push for more VR adoption
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KinkyJohn posted:Counterpoint: VR. Some VR games can bring a 3090 down to its knees, so maybe Nvidia should push for more VR adoption I tried out Squadrons on a Reverb G2 and at max settings with a 3090 and 9700k it's just barely able to hang in there around 90 FPS without going into reprojection. I think I might have some thermal issues since my case is more designed for quiet than for good airflow, though.
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Fauxtool posted:not any concern of nvidia's tho and they are most certainly a business obligated to make profit. E-waste should absolutely be a concern for the companies who actually make the products that generate e-waste. It's stupid to give a company a free pass because 'they're obligated to make a profit' or whatever. People make that argument all the time and it's neoliberal nonsense - a company doesn't have some inherent obligation to make as much money as possible in any way possible. Nobody's hand is being forced by the market. They have a moral (and in some cases, depending on their board or shareholders, legal) obligation to not generate mountains of e-waste. Obviously tho people in this thread are saying its more a concern generally, for us as humans who live on the planet. Although the group of people that make up the profit making company NVidia do also happen to fall into that category The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Mar 8, 2021 |
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So when Nvidia said there was going to be more stock in H2, what were the conditions that were set to change around that time?
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The big rush on new Samsung phones ends? Samsung get better yields? Samsung?
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In case anyone else is having this problem, I resolved the issue I had with NVIDIA Broadcast's camera having corruption/flicker on the image when used in OBS or Zoom or Meets, by changing my motherboard's PCIe setting from Auto to 3. Apparently it's a known interaction between AMD CPUs/motherboards and the Broadcast software, with no clear resolution on the horizon from any of the players, but I don't have an PCIe 4 hardware so it was an easy choice for me.
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Shipon posted:I tried out Squadrons on a Reverb G2 and at max settings with a 3090 and 9700k it's just barely able to hang in there around 90 FPS without going into reprojection. I think I might have some thermal issues since my case is more designed for quiet than for good airflow, though. Oh you think driving a G2 is bad? I'm trialling a Pimax 8KX right now and it's 3840x2160@75hz times two eyes. Almost double a Reberb G2 except the refresh is a little lower.
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Subjunctive posted:In case anyone else is having this problem, I resolved the issue I had with NVIDIA Broadcast's camera having corruption/flicker on the image when used in OBS or Zoom or Meets, by changing my motherboard's PCIe setting from Auto to 3. Apparently it's a known interaction between AMD CPUs/motherboards and the Broadcast software, with no clear resolution on the horizon from any of the players, but I don't have an PCIe 4 hardware so it was an easy choice for me. Oh my god, thank you for sharing this. It has been driving me crazy.
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Good news for adventurous people working in 3D, video, and ML: https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1368915899605004294
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Quick question: Is a 2080ti going to do it for me? 1440p/144, used from someone I trust.
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Craptacular! posted:Quick question: Is a 2080ti going to do it for me? 1440p/144, used from someone I trust. that's more or less a 3070, which is what I'm running right now. still more than enough for 1440p/144 for most games.
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gradenko_2000 posted:The business model is supposed to be that the gaming cards are going to have bad/crippled mining efficiency, so miners won't buy them Out of curiosity & maybe I missed it, but is Nvidia doing with those mining cards like they did with the old 1060 where they pulled off the video outputs? I remember a few vendors sold cards like that & Linus did a video for how you could get one for cheap & piggyback it off the dGPU on an Intel mainboard so it could still game & get some value. Even back then I thought it was stupid to pull the video ports off the card, the resale on those particular 1060 cards tanked pretty hard because nobody wanted (or knew how) to get them working with a bunch of hacks.
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BOOTY-ADE posted:Out of curiosity & maybe I missed it, but is Nvidia doing with those mining cards like they did with the old 1060 where they pulled off the video outputs? I remember a few vendors sold cards like that & Linus did a video for how you could get one for cheap & piggyback it off the dGPU on an Intel mainboard so it could still game & get some value. Even back then I thought it was stupid to pull the video ports off the card, the resale on those particular 1060 cards tanked pretty hard because nobody wanted (or knew how) to get them working with a bunch of hacks. yes, they're putting out headless GPUs. it was possible to use them for non-mining but it's such a hacky cludge that yeah they're all functionally ewaste if mining conditions change and it's legit kind of a bummer. they'll also be much more expensive than the gamer cards and as such have proven kind of ineffective at their stated primary goal.
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Craptacular! posted:Quick question: Is a 2080ti going to do it for me? 1440p/144, used from someone I trust. I'd jump at chance for a decently priced 2080Ti for 1440/144 ultrawide, leave along 16:9. While directly comparable to the 3070 on the whole, it even seemed a little better for non-RT content when I looked.
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ufarn posted:Good news for adventurous people working in 3D, video, and ML: I don't know anything about soldering chips onto a board but that dude made it look comically easy.
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Reflow soldering reasonably-sized components with the proper setup (a quality hot air system, solder paste, stencils, good flux) is quite easy. Also quite easy to gently caress up if you don't have the right tools.
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Sagebrush posted:Reflow soldering reasonably-sized components with the proper setup (a quality hot air system, solder paste, stencils, good flux) is quite easy. Also quite easy to gently caress up if you don't have the right tools. wow just looked up what that was, fascinating, got a youtube rabbithole to go down.
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:wow just looked up what that was, fascinating, got a youtube rabbithole to go down. That's the truth, I have spent entire weekends watching those sorts of videos. There are a bunch of channels of people buying broken hardware off ebay and trying to fix them, for example.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:That's the truth, I have spent entire weekends watching those sorts of videos. There are a bunch of channels of people buying broken hardware off ebay and trying to fix them, for example. It's popular enough that there are whole channels pretending to repair old stuff. But otherwise this kind of democratization of knowledge is one of the awesome things about the internet.
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So is the race going to be who can mod the miner cards to work like a normal GPU and set up a service for that or is that impossible?
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CyberPingu posted:So is the race going to be who can mod the miner cards to work like a normal GPU and set up a service for that or is that impossible? it's totally possible - it happened with the last gen using some cludge by using an iGPU as a passthrough and it's probably even more possible now. it's just - the card costs more, the hacks are all possible but a PITA from a usability perspective (thus killing the secondhand market, which is the GPU manufacturer's intent) and thus far aren't compatible with nvidia's software anyway.
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I do want to note that that video that Linus did about using a pass-through to have the mining card run its output through the motherboard's video-out ports has some caveats - mucking around with modified drivers can get picked up by anti-cheat software in online games, and NVidia stopped issuing compatible drivers for the mining cards after something like 2018, so you can't use a P106 to play more modern games It's in NVidia's interests to actively work against letting mining cards become useful for non-mining purposes, because otherwise they're going to end up on the second-hand market, and a big second-hand market eats into NVidia's sales of brand-new parts
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Is there a guide to using a bot to check amazon for stock changes? I saw it posted once or twice in this thread but obviously didn’t bookmark it.
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CoolCab posted:that's more or less a 3070, which is what I'm running right now. still more than enough for 1440p/144 for most games. It slightly outperforms the 3070 on raster usually and I think will continue to do so. I have a 2080ti at 1440p/144 and I do not plan to upgrade at all this cycle, very very limited benefit for a huge cost. It played Cyberpunk just fine, I didn't even finish the game. Nothing else has made it even hiccup. I did put a 3rd party cooler on the stock 2080ti and I love it, the one I had was a blower (!) that was incredibly loud and hot. I was able to get a really easy auto-overclock just by essentially fixing the thermals. If yours is a solid 3 fan version I'm sure you'll be fine. The 3060ti isnt supposed to be a $1000 part but when you have people paying $800-1100 for an obvious step down in every way, take the 2080ti and enjoy it.
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I checked local markets and an RTX 3060 is selling for more than what I bought my Ti for
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Lockback posted:and that dude had real steady hands. He did, he's very good at it. I haven't soldered bga in 20 years and I'm very confident I'd gently caress it up now, even with the correct gear.
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CyberPingu posted:So is the race going to be who can mod the miner cards to work like a normal GPU and set up a service for that or is that impossible? i think the opposite will have more interest, having the gaming cards not game
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Fauxtool is right and the reason is simple : miners need payoff. If putting the effort into getting a gaming GPU to mine looks like it'll pay for itself, they'll do it. A gamer buys a card and wants to keep using it for an indeterminate period of time. If you somehow did process where you do GPU work on a mining card and transfer frames across PCIE to another GPU for output, what happens as soon as something breaks that pipeline? The value is completely lost.
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Hello everyone! Just a quick note to help out the folks who browse by bookmarks. We've started a SH/SC feedback thread and would love it if you stopped by to say hi and let us know what you think. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3961558
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If someone wants to gamble, lately every couple days the newegg shuffle has had 3060Tis for about $660 and 3070s for about 100 more. Obviously still overpriced, but better than ebay scalpers.
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FuturePastNow posted:If someone wants to gamble, lately every couple days the newegg shuffle has had 3060Tis for about $660 and 3070s for about 100 more. Obviously still overpriced, but better than ebay scalpers. check the combos too, some of the especially terrible combos can be returned separately. I dont know if its new policy or they forgot on some items.
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This popped up in my feed today. quote:Scientists developed “wearable microgrid” that harvests/ stores energy from human body to power small electronics, with 3 parts: sweat-powered biofuel cells, motion-powered triboelectric generators, and energy-storing supercapacitors. Parts are flexible, washable and screen printed onto clothing. GPU problems solved! Plz don’t prob me. As for content I continue to be impressed by a lot of the integrated graphic solutions these days. My M1 mac actually games really well while having a decent battery life. I have a GPD win Max with 10th gen intel graphics and while it’s only 720p it games pretty drat well!
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I can see nike going all in on something like that. The dank rear end sweaty shirt powers the sensors that monitor your performance.
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EngineerJoe posted:Ultramarathoners would love that It's stealing energy you could be using to run more! Actually it's probably cooling
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