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Does the R9-280X debut this week, or is it just pre-order also? I've been waiting to get a card that can ideally power 1440p at max settings/60 fps for Diablo III, WoW, etc., and had settled originally on the 7970 GE, but with the R9-280X appearing to be a re-badged 7970 GE and now coming in at $299, I'm hoping that either a) it'll be available right away this week, b) it'll force the GTX 770 down in price to $300-350ish to where I might go with the 4GB version of it instead, or c) the GTX 780 will ultimately come down as the R9-290X approaches release and I just go ahead and try to get a little longer out of whatever card I do get by paying more and going more powerful. I saw the 4GB GTX 770 this week at Newegg for ~ $425 but it seems like prices will drop a lot once the R9-280X comes out. Thoughts?
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I hope the GTX 770 does drop that low. Otherwise, how low might the 780 go?
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:So, potential 780 buyers, the price of the R9 290X appears to have been leaked by Newegg in their site's page code. $730. Mmmmmmnot as cheap as many had hoped. Edit: Given Newegg's own markup that's still maybe $699. It also sounds like it was for the BF4 special edition card, so it could still come in at the $650 range.
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Anandtech review of the R9-280X is "up", though they're updating it in "real-time" and hence a lot of the figures/graphs are missing. :lolz: Edit - Actually, whole segments/sections are missing too. It's kinda shoddy to release an unfinished article... Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Oct 8, 2013 |
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Yeah, [H] has theirs up also of the ASUS R9-280X DirectCU II TOP. For $299 it looks promising - I especially like that ASUS put a 2-slot cooler on it now vs. their former 3-slot coolers while still getting a performance boost over the stock R9-280X. Now to decide whether it's worth waiting for the R9-290 (non-X) or not...
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Alereon posted:That's been there for a couple months I think, it's an OEM rebrand of the GTX 670. Releasing that could be an interesting choice, especially if they give it 4GB of RAM. At $299 that would be a killer card.
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Not sure how reliable videocardz.com is, but they're now saying that the launch of the 290 series is being delayed to an unknown date.
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Tab8715 posted:Anyone looking forward for the 290 non-X? Looks like this would be the best bargain buy... I've been debating between the non-X 290 or going with the ASUS Matrix R9-280X.
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Yeah TrueAudio is somewhat tempting, but for the games I play at 1440p (WoW, D3, some old source games, Civ 5) I'm not sure how much benefit I'd see going with the 290 over the 280X. I've been tempted to just get the 280X now and if I need a little more power down the road buying another 280X once specials kick in and Crossfiring it. I know Crossfire isn't the best but I'm hoping AMD will continue the focus on fixing Crossfire via driver updates and by the time I would Crossfire them it's be better. At the same time though the lack of a bridge on the 290s is an interesting development for Crossfire.
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Athropos posted:I'm thinking of selling my SLI 2gb 680s and getting a single 290x card because I'm pretty sick of dual GPU woes in some games and at 1440p I'm not quite getting the performance I expect. However the market in Quebec sucks dick to sell local and the best offer I got was 550$ for both cards, am I doing something wrong? Out of curiosity, which games are you playing at 1440p where the 2x 680s aren't up to the performance? I ask because I've been considering either 2x 770s or 2x 280Xs long-term and I'm at 1440p, so it'd be interesting to see with what games it may not even matter to go SLI or Crossfire.
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Rahu X posted:Either way, I don't know how to feel about this. The NDA will be lifted soon though, which eases my mind some. This whole launch has bothered me quite a bit. I'm sure someone in AMD's marketing department probably said "Hey, let's just throw out little bits of information here and there, but never actually say when this thing is being released. It'll totally build suspense and hype!", but it's rather annoying to not even say when the NDA might be lifted or such. They might as well just launch the drat thing or at least just say when it'll actually be released.
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Factory Factory posted:Does anyone actually feel hyped by the 290X? Not that I know of, which is why it baffles me as to why AMD is handling this the way they are.
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Agreed posted:If it gets to around $550 I'll put plan "do a dumb loving thing" into motion and just give up all hope of ever being considered reasonable again. The games bundle and that low of a price would be enough for me. Two 780s. God that's dumb. What is wrong with me. So I'm hoping it just bonks it down to $600 or so.
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Gonkish posted:I thought it was any Nvidia card? I believe it is only Kepler-based cards.
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I'm cross-posting this from the parts picking thread since I realized it may be more appropriate for this thread given the context, so hopefully this doesnr get me in trouble: Out of curiosity, how undesirable is it to do either SLI or Crossfire (just two GPUs) on a board with a PLX chip? I'm considering someday going with 2x ASUS R9-280X Matrix's which are the triple-slot coolers. To allow a slot for adequate air intake for the first card I was looking at boards that place the second GPU lower such as the Asrock Z77 WS or (ideally to keep my Hackintosh hobby alive) the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP 7. I know there is some overheard for the PLX chip but wasn't sure whether it should be avoided at all costs. For reference though my motherboard and cards will be horizontal (keeping a Corsair Air 540 on its side) so hot air should be rising up from one card into the upper card such as in a vertical arrangement. Otherwise are there any standard x8/x8 boards that could accommodate 2x triple slot coolers?
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ShadowStalker posted:Let's hope, I'm holding off on a new PC build until they get released (3 year old PC with a 5850). I'm hoping the 290 gets released along with the 290X. Want to get my build done for the release of BF4. The 290 isn't likely coming until October 31st if leaks are to be believed. Only the 290X debuts tomorrow it appears.
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Agreed posted:With Factory Factory on the "yo Anand benchmarks are cool but let's get some analysis over here!" thing, though I feel like they've been dropping the ball recently on their reviews. I don't know if it's because Anand only cares about Apple really now or what, but it's annoying to see them continuing to pull this poo poo of "Hey we know you only care about charts anyway!" Ugh no, we don't just care about charts. It's also funny when [H] and the other sites can get their reviews out but Anandtech can't. They've had the card for at least a week now - you can't tell me Ryan Smith couldn't find 1/2 hour or an hour to at least put some text down for each section. Their coverage of anything non-Apple has become horrible.
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Alereon posted:They accidentally set one article for a scheduled go-live before it's completed and suddenly it's an indictment of their non-Apple coverage? Anandtech's game is deep, detailed analysis of technology and that takes time. But it wasn't one-time? They've done it in the past with the Titan, the 7990, the 280X and now the 290X that come to mind. Now I just may be ignorant and perhaps they're contractually obligated to have *something* up when the embargo lifts, but if not, I feel like it'd be better for them to simply hold off on putting anything up until the entire review is ready. As for it being an "accidental scheduling" for the publish date, Ryan Smith and Anand both commented in the 280X comments sections that the (unfinished) review went up at the intended time, and Ryan Smith said the same this time in the comments pre-emptively. There isn't anything accidental about it - they're pushing for a review to be up the moment the embargo lifts regardless of the completion state of the review, and it looks really bad.
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Alereon posted:It just seems ridiculous to me that you're complaining that Anandtech doesn't always have a complete article ready when the NDA lifts because they're taking the time to produce some of the best coverage in the industry. Go look at what HardOCP posted and compare that to the Anandtech review, do you see why Anandtech's coverage takes longer? Also, they do have excellent coverage of the detailed architectural information of the products, but it's not useful if it's just a [work in progress]. You would not see me complain about their review being posted later on the NDA day, or a day or few later. It's just like their (always excellent) Apple reviews - the reviews may come out days/weeks after everyone else, but they're much more thorough. So I don't know why you're bending over backwards to rail me and defend them over their horrible mishandling of this review (and others, like I indicated). Alereon posted:They also had an extreme delay in receiving the second card from AMD. Alereon posted:Their R9 280X review was missing its conclusion. Alereon posted:I've made a point of tracking NDA lift times for hardware I care about and checking the Anandtech reviews so I have some familiarity with their performance with launch reviews. All that said, this is definitely a debacle, and if Anandtech intentionally posted a blank review that is not okay. Since that would be such an obvious boneheaded move, the article and tweet went out at the exact scheduled NDA lift time, and Anand was apologizing over Twitter afterwards, it may not have been intentional. Edit - tl;dr: I'm not saying to crucify them, but don't just give them an automatic pass for a huge debacle that is similar to other past reviews just because they're "Anandtech". Call them out on their bullshit. Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Oct 25, 2013 |
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Factory Factory posted:And XFX has a really bad habit of cutting down their semi-custom cards instead of building them up, to make them cheap and unreliable. For a few months, everyone around here thought that GeForce 570s couldn't overclock well Not to take away from the "XFX is low quality" talk because it's true, but hadn't they gone AMD-only by that point? I don't recall XFX making any Fermi or later cards due to the dispute with nVidia.
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Factory Factory posted:Oh, you're right. I hadn't even noticed that. Change that for "other manufacturers' cut-down cards," I guess. Is anyone as cut down as XFX though? :ice burn: I heard once that part of the reason for XFX's switch was due to nVidia wanting to enforce higher quality control but not sure how true that rumor was.
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Yeah I think I'm going to have to go with a 780 now. Woe is me...
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Rahu X posted:The 290 has me feeling pretty mediocre. Sure, it's got amazing price/performance, but at the cost of having another loud hot pocket. Sure, you can slap on an Xtreme III to alleviate it, but you can only get a 12% OC out of it for the most part. A 780 can get a good bit more than that.  The Tom's article is "concerning", but given that Tom's is the only one I've seen raise that issue so far, I'm more likely to err on the side of Tom's being Tom's, and not any devious plot in terms of a true difference in cards. Remember - the driver AMD urgently released is what made the difference for the card, not any particular hardware change (as everyone else pointed out). And with quick-release, beta drivers comes deviations in performance. I would wait to see how the retail cards end up. As for the 290X, it'll be subject to the same affects as the 290 in terms of custom cooling: lower heat and noise and/or higher overclocks. You're right though, right now the 290 provides no reason for anyone to go with the 290X.
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Agreed posted:There is no way in the world they're going to cut prices that much when their game bundle and features actually do make up for the price difference. $500 is fine for the 780. Well the game package ends on November 26th and so far we don't know of a replacement. I'm not sure the "features" are really worth an extra $100 - the main things are Shadowplay (which can also be done by 3rd party apps with low overhead) and Physx (  ). In that vein someone could make the same argument for TrueAudio and Mantle in the near future. The current games are nice but once again the true value depends upon how the buyer values the bundle - for every person who think the games are great, there is likely someone who doesn't care at all about them. The 780 is still a great card, but what happens if AMD comes out with the Never Settle bundle for the 280X and 290s for the Holiday push, as is rumored? The 780 is a questionable value as it is now that the 290 keeps up or surpasses at $400 before the custom cards come. Once those come and we possibly see a Never Settle bundle (and/or nVidia's bundle isn't renewed), it's lights out for the 780.
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Agreed posted:They'd need to restructure their entire lineup. Maybe they well, I'm not predicting the future, just stating my take on things. Though I do think that a production proven thing like Shadowplay is actually a Good Feature vs. True Audio and Mantle being kind of nebulous, in-the-future-these-may-be-cool? things for AMD card owners. The nVidia Experience software is imo considerably better than AMD's raptr software, but that could be subjective. quote:This month we're supposed to find out a great deal more about Mantle, including announcements about other games in development using it, so that could be a significant factor that alters the value proposition once again (or not, just a big unknown at the moment). I love the idea of TrueAudio, but it's something that is pretty easily countered if necessary, like when AMD waaaay back when put audio over HDMI on their cards and nVidia just did that too, and thus could end up just kinda fragmenting the market unnecessarily. AMD isn't alone though in terms of technologies that didn't really go anywhere. nVidia's whole 3D Vision concept didn't really get going that well (I know it's still "used", but that's like saying some crazy people still use pagers). So we'll just have to see how it is handled, and what, if anything, nVidia can truly counter it with. Possibly a resurgent NVAPI API, but we'll see. Without any nVidia in the console space they're potentially at a huge disadvantage. quote:Meanwhile, AMD is still in the position of engaging in price pressure at all tiers rather than being able to unequivocally claim performance superiority. Yes, I know that the cards are apparently good overclockers, which probably means they've got a GHz edition refresh lined up for some appropriate time, but if the 780Ti is a fully enabled GK110 for videogames, it's going to have better performance than an R9 290x, and given how few people actually use the very expensive cards, all that matters there is they can say they have the fastest card, not that they are selling a shitload of the fastest card. Otherwise, what one side might view as "price pressure", the other side could equally say is just price correction due to nVidia's price gouging during the 700 series of cards. Because a $650 GTX 780 was definitely price gouging to a lot of people. Ultimately I'm just tired of all of the back-and-forth right now: I want a card for my 1440p monitor, and I had myself essentially convinced on the MSI Lighting 780, but the possibility of a custom cooled 290 non-X for quite a bit cheaper has caused me to once again second-guess my choice. I'm still leaning toward the 780, but hoping we might see some type of additional price cut.
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Agreed posted:Some mfgs put the high end one on GTX 770s, but nVidia have been using noise optimized blowers on all cards for some time. My old/FF's current 680 was super quiet I think EVGA is the only one that does, and even then, just on a 2 GB model. I was sad because I originally wanted to go with a 4 GB 770 and wanted the reference cooler for purely aesthetic reasons but no 4GB models with it are available.
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Agreed posted:Their high end cooling solution is to date the best vapor chamber dual slot cooler for a graphics/compute card, ever. Ever ever. Yes. Cast aluminum housing with cast aluminum fins under a Lexan faceplate with an extremely efficient vapor chamber drawing heat from everything, all engineered for maximum airflow internally and using an already quiet AND ALSO acoustically dampened fan. They achieve a blower cooler that builds on the success of the GTX 680's already very good cooler to deliver performance that is best in class, and best ever. quote:They also just don't run as hot. They could, but it'd be dumb and they'd throttle constantly. Just like... 
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Agreed posted:Fully, enabled, GK110, on, a, consumer, card, I want it so bad man you have no idea I would totally buy your card if it weren't for the fact I'm waiting to pick up either a 780 (MSI Lightning) or a R9-290 (likely ASUS) that has load indicating LEDs, so I can look through my new case's window at the magnificent changing color bling.
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I'm going to have to go and buy the MSI 780 Lightning and join in on this awesome party!
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Agreed posted:This is going to rule. It's like the part where you're climbing the roller-coaster to build up speed and and and You know you'll want to SLI that 780 Ti
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Agreed posted:Nope, retailers still charging $300+ for them, that's $600 for two and for no sensible reason as that does not at all reflect the cost of the additional VRAM or of the minimal adjustment to the PCB required to accommodate them. Pretty lame considering how great AMD prices are on better performing cards, and how well AMD is doing with their own dual-card solutions lately. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel as if the 4GB 760s are one of the worst price:performance cards one could go with, given that the same $300 buys a R9-280X which outperforms it by a good bit.
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Agreed posted:SH/TCC I can't decide whether it's best to jump on the MSI 780 Lightning now to pick up the game bundle, or wait until Black Friday/Cyber Monday and hope for a discount or otherwise a Newegg coupon code that currently can't be used with the 780s due to the game bundle. I could also wait and see what the after-market 290s look like (ideally a Matrix card since I really want a card with load-indicating leds), but I'm leaning more toward Team Green now.
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deimos posted:I have decided on a price point for my EVGA ACX FTW SC* 4GB 760s $240 each shipped $460 for the pair (and it includes the copy of Blacklist I got with it if I can find it or I knock another So... tempting. Must hold out for the Lightning...
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Agreed posted:R9 280x is the same thing but with the TrueAudio DSP on it (if that takes off, who knows) and runs at $300... Again, I really feel like nVidia isn't competing as strongly as they ought to at that price point.
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cat doter posted:I think I'm being CPU limited since I'm running my 3570k at stock (3.4/3.8 turbo) and apparently I should be getting 64fps average at 1080p very high in Crysis 3 but I'm getting closer to 50 average with some dips under that when it gets nuts, it will go above 50 it's just not really maintaining that. I don't have a chipset that allows overclocking either. Hmm, didn't think a 3570K would ever be limiting at just 1080p...
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Secx posted:I currently have an ASUS Radeon HD 6950 DirectCU II 810MHZ 2GB 5GHZ GDDR5 that I'm selling to a friend that is upgrading his computer. If you don't mind the potential sound issues (everyone's different, and depending on your case it may not bother you at all) and/or would be willing to do a custom cooling setup later, a Radeon R9-290 (non-X) would by-far be the best choice for 1440p at the $400, upper-end of your price range. Otherwise, go with either a Radeon R9-280X (re-badged version of the 7970/Ghz Edition, so if you can find either of those cheaper go for it), or a 4GB GeForce 770 (which is definitely not the best when it comes to price:performance currently). Either of these latter two options could allow you to pick up a second and do Crossfire or SLI later on and ultimately yield very good performance at 1440p, with the caveat of all of the initial issues Crossfire and SLI tend to have when a new game comes out.
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