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singapore needs people like him, but it wants people like him to make their stance known at university conferences, not the pages of the straits times. it has moved on from the early 1980s era where adjuncts could get fired for arranging for opposition figures to speak at such conferences - indeed now it uses such events as proving grounds and hiring events - but it still wants some insulation from appealing to the public don't take that theory from me, it was in George's air-conditioned nation, iirc
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it's a bit tricky. Singapore is small so a lot of it turns on the micropolitics of board rooms and personal relationships. and memories are short. A lot of bizarre historical influences are readily forgotten. for instance, the PAP's present explicit/legislated and implicit/cultural barriers to foreign influence in academia descend, more or less unchanged, from 1960 when the newly triumphant PAP reacted against a British Professor of English at the University of Singapore criticizing the PAP's morally conservative legislation, e.g., banning Playboy magazine, restricting alcohol, etc.. But why was the PAP pursuing morally conservative legislation? There's no indication that Lee was, at this time, actually particularly conservative in his outlook (despite what his autobiographies would suggest). Rather, the year was 1960 and Coldstore hadn't happened yet (1963). In fact, Barisan Sosialis hadn't even split off (1961). The PAP at this time was still dominated by Chinese intellectuals who, in opium war fashion, were invoking national awakening to condemn all of these things as bourgeois Western decadence, weakening the Chinese spirit, etc. Therefore: an anti-colonial banhammer, and academe/press held suspect as tools of foreign colonial influence. after Coldstore the tension pivoted to the purged PAP fighting with the Chinese-aligned institutions - trying to force Nantah and Ngee Ann college to submit to reforms. Partially this was to tamp down communist influence (frequent pattern: best and brightest go to Beijing for graduate study, but get politically involved and then banned from coming back), but partially it was also due to the PAP's conviction that the Chinese universities were not producing graduates that were employable locally, combined with a socialist conviction that the new Singapore state had to do something to ensure employability. Despite what National Education messaging tends to emphasize, universities in Singapore at this time continued to be rocked by political protests and small riots - this lasted until 1975, when the PAP finally had enough strength to defang the student groups:   unfortunately, this was immediately followed by the expulsion of the PAP from Socialist International in 1976, which lead to a conviction in the PAP core guard that there was an incipient communist threat from the Western academic New Left. The PAP blamed its expulsion on the Dutch Labour Party, which was at the time going through its romance with radical leftism, for plotting its expulsion. In particular: quote:First, a communist united front group in Singapore who we know has been feeding the hostile communist version of events in the Republic to a radical group in Utrecht, Holland, which calls itself the Singapore/Malaysia Workgroup of the Mondial Information and Action Centre. We know of contacts between one Mrs. Lap Biem Cornelius, a Singapore girl, married to a Dutch man, who has been in contact with communist united front individuals in Singapore. Studying the content, language and style of the DLP [Dutch Labour Party] document, we are practically certain that even the draft of this document originated with our communist united front in Singapore. It is written in a style which may be called "Singapore English". this brought a new wave of moral campaigning and suspicion of radicals, albeit without the Chinese nationalist tinge, of being either communists or misguided fellow travelers. this period of intense suspicion of civil-social activists for being secret communists - particularly Western visitors - which finally culminated in Operation Spectrum arrests in 1987, which turned out to an embarrassing degree of paranoia after the fact. Note the claimed involvement of Tan Wah Piow in 1987, the same person who figured in the 1975 clampdown. Basically the PAP spent a solid decade or more in fear of infiltration or compromise of its Western local universities and civil society - a Barisan Sosialis rebellion writ large, if you will. At this time the PAP began tacking rightward by restoring some Chinese school privileges - the Special Assistance Programme, Asian Values in the rhetoric, reconciliation with the Chinese Chamber of Commerce, etc. the later 80s brought changes as the old guard became steadily replaced by the second-generation guard, in particular under the 1985 recession + the rising challenge of JBJ. Hence the non-constituency MPs, nominated MPs, and GRCs - all parliamentary innovations designed to firewall the composition of parliament against unforeseen upsets, whilst still allowing the govt to assess opposition sentiments. Less overt control of civil society and more insulation of procedural power from said civil society; the MDA announced its "light-touch" Internet policy in 1993, for instance. The Goh govt from 1990 onwards continued this brand of liberalization. At this time there was still a great deal of evolution and uncertainty about what the new terms of debate would be, if the ISD isn't going to go around detaining people - hence the experimentation leading to now-familiar terms like OB markers, or practices like cautious liberalization of the press and universities on one hand, meeting the increasing professionalization of the PAP itself on the other (increasing promotion up the party ranks without regard to electability, which is why you get straight slates of stiff English-speaking professionals nowadays. This works because GRCs.). The Civil Service College is apparently a place with a lot of active political debate. ironically the current situation is heavily influenced by commentary from people like Cherian George himself - there's a bit of a dynamic where commentators go "this is how the Singapore system works" and then civil servants go "gee, that sounds like a workable system. Let's stick with that". in the absence of a dominating personality like Lee, this is how an ideology percolates. his Air-Conditioned Nation is now regularly assigned reading in junior college. I don't think the good professor saw that coming. e: the lecturer incident is mentioned in ACN, I'm pretty darned sure it's late 1970s or early 1980s, but I'm not sure exactly when or who ronya fucked around with this message at 07:58 on May 12, 2014 |
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So, Vietnamese are going pogrom style in retaliation for that China vessel that fired a water cannon at a Vietnamese ship. 10 Taiwanese factories in Vietnam set afire during protests Mass protests in many cities Over 600 rioters detained by the police There are also rumors of China sending a missile frigate and fighter jets to guard that "illegal" oil rig. The ASEAN so far hasn't said much about all this. This is all getting quite interesting.
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Babby's first attempt at regional hegemony isn't working out so well. It's been pretty hilarious to watch, but I hope it just stays Asian-style no-action-all-symbolic-hissy-fits pissing match and doesn't devolve into an official international conflict. Never can tell what will happen, though. One weird series of events just as an economic collapse hits along with a natural disaster and anything can go any direction.
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China of all countries should know that the Old Man in Black Pajamas is a worthy adversary. Also, it's only a matter of time before Vietnamese fishermen find a way to steal undersea oiling materials and sell them for scrap while Chinese oil companies wonder how thousands of meters of drill rods disappeared without them getting kick backs.
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Smeef posted:China of all countries should know that the Old Man in Black Pajamas is a worthy adversary. Well that would be hilarious for several reasons.
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Smeef posted:Also, it's only a matter of time before Vietnamese fishermen find a way to steal undersea oiling materials and sell them for scrap while Chinese oil companies wonder how thousands of meters of drill rods disappeared without them getting kick backs. Bonus if they sell the scrap back to China. But yeah, this is totally what will happen.
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at this point you'd wonder why the roc is bothering to maintain a claim
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ronya posted:at this point you'd wonder why the roc is bothering to maintain a claim
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ronya posted:at this point you'd wonder why the roc is bothering to maintain a claim 'Well poo poo, what are we supposed to do with all this political and economic influence we have if not try to throw our weight around with it?'
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China is totally going to Donetsked those islands.
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Senso posted:retaliation for that China vessel that fired a water cannon at a Vietnamese ship. So ... then... why Taiwanese factories... 
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^ Either the rioters couldnt differentiate between Chinese and Taiwanese enterprises or some opportunists were just looking for an excuse to have poo poo burn and loot for stuff. Jonathan London points out that the Vietnamese government has not issued a single statement thus far and breaks down some of the internal divisions within the Vietnamese political leadership, specifically between the reformists and the conservative, pro-China faction. Worth a read: http://blog.jonathanlondon.net/?p=449
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eviljelly posted:So ... then... why Taiwanese factories... I heard on the BBC World Service last night that the factory was Taiwanese-owned, but the workers were from the PRC. Not that it makes any sense either way, but it'd make perfect sense for an angry mob.
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Why the hell would they be using Chinese labor in Vietnam? Vietnamese labor is cheaper.
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on average, perhaps. Regionally, probably not. And then there's language barriers and the usual unforeseen difficulties of outsourcing, which Westerners solve by insourcing but the Chinese can move even more employees outward
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Smeef posted:Why the hell would they be using Chinese labor in Vietnam? Vietnamese labor is cheaper. Whatever the case, the local bigwigs and governments who get paid off love them, but the local people sour pretty quickly on these groups of foreigners who come in, build their own world to live in, refuse to mingle at all and so on. It creates a lot of friction. In Vietnam's case I'm sure part of it is also historical the same way the Khmer occasionally get riled up and burn down some Vietnamese stores because the dirty Yuon steal everything from us!!!
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Smeef posted:China of all countries should know that the Old Man in Black Pajamas is a worthy adversary. I want to see them tap into the drilling line the way Vietnamese people will tap into a power line without paying. Just like 200 thin extensions running under water bleeding off all of the oil, five new ones springing up for every one that the Chinese disconnect
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ReindeerF posted:It's quite common. I've asked anyone I can find (including Kaiser Kuo, because I could find him) and have never gotten a satisfactory answer from anyone. They do the same thing in Africa (e.g. Equatorial Guinea), elsewhere in Southeast Asia (e.g. Laos) and I wouldn't be surprised if Latin America isn't in there too. What I can't figure out is whether there's a policy angle, whether it's economic, whether it's purely cultural or what the mix is. My guess is that part of it is that they can ship in very cheap rural Chinese who will work very hard and are culturally compatible with the management as compared to the local people who have their own networks and interests and may have a different work ethic. This probably also helps a bit with population issues. Then, if they don't do their job they can be killed (e.g. Equatorial Guinea) or sent away and replaced quickly. Doesn't this also have the effect of not teaching skills (labor & maintenance of the infrastructure they build) to the local African populations? As well as depriving them of jobs in the meantime? I've always heard that was the main grievance of the locals, but the benefits you mention for management seem pretty clear. (plus, you never know when the locals might agitate for unions too?)
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It's a fair point that possibly the local leaders in some places don't want the locals to receive skills transfer or resources. I really don't know the answer to that. I wouldn't think that would be the case in, say, Laos or Vietnam, but maybe in a much more oppressive state like EG it could be. I've tried to read anything I can on this specific topic because it's weirdly fascinating to me. I mean, sure, you can find American towns in walled compounds in Saudi and there are ethnic enclaves in any part of the world, but the way the Chinese do this is just amazing. They plunk down a factory, complete with all the people needed to run it, and it might as well not exist other than the physical displacement caused by it. In these same places you can find all kinds of other nationalities co-mingling, intermarrying, eating at local restaurants, shopping from local stores and so on, but not the (mainland) Chinese. Even at the basest, most comparable level of the Burmese labor camp or what have you, as sad as that situation is, they're out in the streets in the evening going to local markets and playing soccer in a field and saying hi to you and what not. These Chinese seem to get trucked in and just build a little company town and occasionally stare out. I'd assume they're generally pretty oppressed in terms of freedom of movement and probably propagandized to as well (e.g. "The locals will kill you for a bowl of noodles, don't go out there!"), but I'm guessing there's also an isolationist tendency going on there as well. EDIT: That's not entirely fair. They are starting to make forays into the local world by buying up shitloads of local land in places like Vientiane (examples).
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Mixed race/culture environments are messy. People probably loving hate their jobs and boss already being so underpaid, the factory system shop probably already has a few operational errors, last thing you want is to have a US vs Them mentality. Plus I don't think your average Chinese dude (or most factory dudes) in general are good at racial/cultural sensitivity. Yes, local labour is probably cheaper, and are hired for simpler jobs/skill set dead end jobs like textiles. For more complicated work like, Laying railways, heavy infrastructure, Chinese management maybe more guarded and hire Chinese guys to prevent tech theft  Funny how China copied everyone else and nowadays are worried about poorer countries repeating them. Having a mostly Chinese operation is probably easier for HR when everyone has the same holiday. English teachers go crazy enough when they don't get turkey for thanks giving, imagine the same scenario with a bunch of poorer, angrier factory labourers.Regarding isolationism, workers are probably too tired at the end of the day to go out. Plus they probably have 0 interest being there in the first place. And being in a rural factory town sucks, so there's really not too much to see. Management may have more leisure time and inter marry prettier local girls, but everyone is really there for a short term work period and just want to go home. It's more of a working in a factory sucks kind of thing. Even then, I think most foreign workers don't really intermingle with locals. Airline pilots, sailors, procurement, trade show organizers, teachers, etc... They are mostly transient. I think anyone that just wants to be cooped out in their dormitories are weird but some people just don't like going out or exploring places. Since we all been around South East Asia and all, you guys know what I mean right? Seeing that guy who just wants to eat McDonald's everyday. I will be on a 3 week road trip seeing different European clients and doing a tradeshow. Yeah I will be bringing in boxes of instant noodles and tea leaves. Because the head engineer just wants to eat Chinese food and hates traveling. He just wants to chain smoke cigarettes, check company e-mails and talk to his kids  What a wonderful worker 
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Yeah, that sounds pretty reasonable. I'd probably niggle with a few points, of course, but I think you've got most of it in there. It's just remarkable to see, because, as I pointed out, I know groups of Burmese who are essentially imported (legally) via agents to work in factories and while there are racial tensions and there is a bit of isolationism due to unfamiliarity, after a couple of months you'll find them at local shops, eating local noodles, getting knocked up by local guys (oops) and so on. The cultural familiarity thing - gently caress, I wish I could hire Americans working like Americans with American hours and American holidays. God bless the people I work with here and in other parts of Asia and Europe, but the constant stream of holidays is maddening. You probably deal with this as well, caberham. Then add in the fact that every country has different holidays (and Thailand has adopted like 15 different New Year celebrations) and it's a nightmare for work purposes, heh. Anyway, that has nothing to do with the thread and I'm glad people get time off in the big picture, I was just briefly envying the Chinese factory boss's potential ability to hire a monoculture, heh.
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Regarding race riots, my company actually encountered something similar during the most recent Diaoyudao scare. Oh we have a joint venture with a Japanese company  , and the workers in the plant were pissed At least the situation at the end was diffused peacefully. Dealing with that was a nightmare.
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caberham posted:Regarding race riots, my company actually encountered something similar during the most recent Diaoyudao scare. Oh we have a joint venture with a Japanese company
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ReindeerF posted:Yeah, that sounds pretty reasonable. I'd probably niggle with a few points, of course, but I think you've got most of it in there. It's just remarkable to see, because, as I pointed out, I know groups of Burmese who are essentially imported (legally) via agents to work in factories and while there are racial tensions and there is a bit of isolationism due to unfamiliarity, after a couple of months you'll find them at local shops, eating local noodles, getting knocked up by local guys (oops) and so on. Nah,Viets are pretty racist, the kind that builds because there's poo poo to do when you're poor other than talk to each other. I've seen these, they build, or buy, their own little town that are cleaner than ours and make their higher salary known to build extra resentment. edited to add that this just my perspective, so I definitely should not generalize, but I feel it's very hard not be racist. You sit around and talk all day, it is impossible not to form prejudices from these unreliable secondhand account. This traits lets us keep up with the jones, and know what and when to steal. Since I already opened my mouth, here's a story I found funny, Lacostes was once caught smuggling their own jeans as fakes to pay less fees. So cars are taxed 2x here right? But they wanted to encourage American viets to come back when they retire, so they allowed 1 tax free import for such individuals, The streets were flooded with cars, like Roll Royces(these Hanoi and Saigon people suck) almost immediately, so they had to remove it. This is the result of the gossiping, they enjoy our stares and we enjoy hating on them. It's amazing how they clearly see the corruption happening, the who/what, but it's accepted as just due, for that is how these things go. It could all be lies to mask jealousy, who knows. Also, french tourists are nice, but they cannot drive a scooter/bikes. Even with my limited opportunities, I've seen them sit at a light for 10+ minutes, they don't get that it's just a suggestion here; and they will get real mad being forced to the retard lanes and can't quite make it back in, missing their turn, then having to get off and walk turn your scooters(proving your retard rank), then waiting like a retard again to cross over the opposite way. lol, I can't stop laughing . There was even some shirtless guy passed out in retard lane too. Those tourists had to walk-ride around him too. they should have stopped in front of him and Honked real loud. I forgot how this crazy dude got removed , but I felt my idea would definitely work. Now I feel bad because we are killing our mountains and forest for short term greed; but I don't know, we can grow the poo poo back. Locals already know because the waterfalls are less and less. Oh and some rich dude made this huge rear end replica of the old forbidden city, and made it an amusement park; but it really was a way to launder the retirement fund for an outgoing president. This story, I might not have remembered the who and why, because I can't understand the titles and names mean nothing to me, There was some cover story that Buddah asked for it to repay good health blessing for important dude x. This place is ridiculous, and is a ghost town as you can imagine. These assholes even run a dam cart schedule. But their are park carts, then their are the opportunistic carts that will just take to their restaurant/hotel despite not telling you when you get on. The park gets a cut so it cannot be stopped. If someone rich enough bitches, maybe. Femur fucked around with this message at 12:11 on May 16, 2014 |
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Femur posted:So cars are taxed 2x here right? But they wanted to encourage American viets to come back when they retire, so they allowed 1 tax free import for such individuals, The streets were flooded with cars, like Roll Royces(these Hanoi and Saigon people suck) almost immediately, so they had to remove it. This is the result of the gossiping, they enjoy our stares and we enjoy hating on them. It's amazing how they clearly see the corruption happening, the who/what, but it's accepted as just due, for that is how these things go. It could all be lies to mask jealousy, who knows. Is the Vietnamese government seriously trying to get American Vietnamese to come back? That will never, ever happen, most of them are war refugees or their children, and they absolutely despise the government in Hanoi. It will take a hell of a lot more than a tax break on cars to earn forgiveness from people when their parents had to risk their lives and leave their homeland on a small boat to avoid being stuck in a reeducation camp. Either your sources are wrong or the Vietnamese government is horribly out of touch with their history.
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Konstantin posted:Is the Vietnamese government seriously trying to get American Vietnamese to come back? That will never, ever happen, most of them are war refugees or their children, and they absolutely despise the government in Hanoi. It will take a hell of a lot more than a tax break on cars to earn forgiveness from people when their parents had to risk their lives and leave their homeland on a small boat to avoid being stuck in a reeducation camp. Either your sources are wrong or the Vietnamese government is horribly out of touch with their history. Look up Henry Nguyen, McDonald's's franchisee for Vietnam. Plenty of Vietnamese-Americans are willing to come back for the right opportunities.
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Konstantin posted:Is the Vietnamese government seriously trying to get American Vietnamese to come back? That will never, ever happen, most of them are war refugees or their children, and they absolutely despise the government in Hanoi. It will take a hell of a lot more than a tax break on cars to earn forgiveness from people when their parents had to risk their lives and leave their homeland on a small boat to avoid being stuck in a reeducation camp. Either your sources are wrong or the Vietnamese government is horribly out of touch with their history. Yeah, most people(parent's friend) say they want to move back with a big nest egg. This is supported by the fact that everyone hoards gold, then buy land. Owning land is a sign you can secure for your families' future. So lots of American dollars goes to land. The hanoi people need a place to hold their gains, so engage in land speculation. Whatever, plots of lands are tiny, so there's plenty. Everyone grew up with little personal space, so small houses are small. Rich people get floors added, this costs 13,000 per floor. This is the best way to show off; having the best FYGM house And despite the forest, wood is the most expensive material, so that's the first level of showing off. Marble is very cheap and keeps your feet cool Femur fucked around with this message at 12:53 on May 16, 2014 |
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Femur posted:Fake forbidden city Do you have any pictures? Are you Vietnamese working in Vietnam?
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caberham posted:Do you have any pictures? Are you Vietnamese working in Vietnam? I am pretty sure I do, but I'll have to find the USB stick. That place is pretty nice, the crazy/corrupts rich dude was very demanding that the right rocks are used, even if they gotta truck it in. So externally it looks nice, but there's uncompleted poo poo behind hidden rock doors. I only found them because I just walked around knocking things with my umbrella(it's extremely hot in Saigon). Yeah anyways, all the rides are crap, but I believe it's enough for rich people's kid. The locals might go if they wanted to showoff to a girl, but it's not required since women are treated like poo poo. And it's not the cool Chinese forbidden, but our own. It has a giant wave pool, for when it's too hot at the beach next door. and a zoo. Someone is paid to ring this giant bell all day, the bell is in a hall with life sized clay(??) statues of past rulers decked out in bling. It is an amazing exercise in vanity. But like I said, stones are cheap and the labor to sculpt them is probably cheaper. I love buying cheap marble souvenirs, but it takes a trip or so learn to pack those things. And sorry, I am immigrant, but I've been back a few times. Femur fucked around with this message at 13:52 on May 16, 2014 |
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Bloodnose posted:Look up Henry Nguyen, McDonald's's franchisee for Vietnam. Plenty of Vietnamese-Americans are willing to come back for the right opportunities. A former PM's daughter was part of bringing McD's to Vietnam, too. Fun fact: Other foreign fast-food franchises were denied the right to expand further within Vietnam once the McDonald's deal had been made. You know Ronald McDonald has some serious weight when he gets Jardines indefinitely frozen in a market they'd been in for years. Konstantin posted:Is the Vietnamese government seriously trying to get American Vietnamese to come back? That will never, ever happen, most of them are war refugees or their children, and they absolutely despise the government in Hanoi. It will take a hell of a lot more than a tax break on cars to earn forgiveness from people when their parents had to risk their lives and leave their homeland on a small boat to avoid being stuck in a reeducation camp. Either your sources are wrong or the Vietnamese government is horribly out of touch with their history. There are tons of viet kieu (overseas Vietnamese) who've returned and made fortunes. Maybe some of the old codgers won't return, but viet kieu have such a leg up in business that it's hardly even competitive. At least down south no one gives a poo poo about the war; they just wanna make dat money. In the past few years as the economy has tanked, though, a lot of people who can leave have left, and that includes some viet kieu.
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Maybe historically it's related (Vietnamese vocabulary borrows heavily from Chinese), but as far as I know it just means 'overseas.' My Vietnamese sucks, though.
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Bloodnose posted:Does kieu mean bridge because that sounds Cantonese as hell. Probably this chinese word 侨 which is Qiao in Mandarin and actually pronounced as kieu in Cantonese. Both means overseas. For example, overseas chinese is called hua qiao (华侨) in Mandarin or wa kieu (華僑) in Cantonese.
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Anyone have any good resources for the actions of the chinese and vietnamese militaries regarding the recent dispute off-shore? Are there any twitter accounts in english worth following?
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My parents were refugees and I get the impression they still want to move back when they get even older; they might hate the regime but it's still home and I don't think anyone in my generation gives a drat. Viet kieu is what I've always heard the diaspora called but my father acts like it's an offensive phrase. 
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I've lived and worked in Saigon for two years and I haven't met anybody with respect for the government or the party, at work or otherwise. Young people assume the government is corrupt and don't care about communism, they want new iPhones and Hollywood and K-Pop. They are very proud of their nation and everything but I think you're right, most people (I generalize of course - and I was in the south, in a big city, Hanoi or the countryside might be more pro-government) just don't seem to care and want to live their lives as normal modern people.
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"overseas chinese" - hua qiao, 华侨 - morphed from a term of affiliation to an offensive term over the years, too. has the implication that you should be obliged to be subservient to the motherland's interests when it comes to a conflict between your old identity and your new one
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ronya posted:"overseas chinese" - hua qiao, 华侨 - morphed from a term of affiliation to an offensive term over the years, too. has the implication that you should be obliged to be subservient to the motherland's interests when it comes to a conflict between your old identity and your new one Whoa, there's that term again... Thanks for that. I took a class on Chinese migration way back in college and had to do a big report where I used that word over and over. I always wanted to ask the (Singaporean) professor more about that term but didn't for whatever reason. I always wondered... edit: For a little more content: I took the same professor's course on modern Chinese history and we got a little more into mid-20th century, but since it was a different course the hua qiao never came up. Did the pejorative meaning come more into play after 1950? Bastaman Vibration fucked around with this message at 06:07 on May 17, 2014 |
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