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Color Printer posted:Good lord some of these room layouts. If you walk into a room with eight hopping spider heads and a bunch of holes, and you've only got one heart left, you may as well just hit Escape and quit right there. Some of these rooms are just totally loving unfair. My personal favorite lately has been the one that's a bunch of 1 tile wide vertical strips with pits on the end of each column of rocks and like 4 of those stupid masks/hearts.
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I believe in the actual code there's a secret for Conquest but it does not function properly and is therefore not needed to get Plat God.
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Jun 24, 2012 20:23
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With the dead cat, I died 9 times in a row without being able to do anything about it. I respawned in a room with those spike square things, and by the time I got my control back, I'd already be dead. gently caress this game.
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Jun 24, 2012 20:27
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Picking up Lard as Maggie is a slow death. 
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Jun 24, 2012 21:00
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On the topic of unfair rooms, I do wonder about his decision to design them like this. Most of the pre-expansion levels/rooms were all designed in such a way that you could manage to not get hit even without flying or insane damage bonus items. I thankfully did all of the no-damage achievments before this expansion, and with the exception of a few rooms (laser eyeballs in the corners) I didn't feel like the game was being plain unfair. Now there are so many rooms where you literally can't escape getting hit without having a flying item, and many more which are completely bonkers like the mentioned mask/heart room with nothing but vertical stripes of walkable terrain. The hearts have far too much HP (hell, even the Necronomicon can't kill them!), and the masks are way too fast. Another really annoying thing with the expansion is that the pathfinding AI has figured out that glitching through blocks or gaps to get to you is a good tactic, and several enemies (especially spiders and greed heads) will do this way too often. Speaking of greed heads, I hate the mechanic where touching them takes away your coins, not getting hurt. This means that if you swipe past one, you can easily lose all your money instantly (since you're constantly colliding with it). This game is a complete mess, and Ed is the worst person ever. It's still a fantastic new genre (?) and I've spent way too much time playing it
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Jun 24, 2012 21:04
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Aha, I've figured out the problem I was having. I skipped ??? to try with Samson first. I'd been going in order, starting with Isaac and heading to the right. Samson's given me hell, so I figured I'd try a dead kid run. First try today with ???. Didn't get the Polaroid until the Cathedral, after putting 19 out of 20 cents into a fortune teller. I'd run into two others but they hadn't paid out. Game said I got Eve's Bird, achievement was Samson's Lock. I can't remember what's left, but Samson'll pop it when I beat it with him. Despite my crabbiness, trying to do it before the patch. Doin' this poo poo the legit, stupid way!  Only Samson remains. And man, he's still a piece o' work. Rage won't help if you get no tears/damage up to really put it to good use. Do all characters start with the same base luck? Cain maybe not, but it seems Samson's strangely unlucky for me. Why no, I don't want a Portable Slot Machine and Coat Hanger from the first floor and no keys to get anything out of the second, thanks!
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Jun 24, 2012 21:41
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I've made the decision that, if I'm low on bombs, I'm going to prioritize blowing up discolored rocks over trying to find the secret room. The Rock remains one of the most useful powerups in the game and almost always provides huge boost to your survivability wherever you are.
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Jun 24, 2012 21:48
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Your Computer posted:It's still a fantastic new genre (?) Classic Zelda Dungeon Style (1986) with Roguelike Mechanics/Rules (1980). New!
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Jun 24, 2012 21:55
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Rocketlex posted:I've made the decision that, if I'm low on bombs, I'm going to prioritize blowing up discolored rocks over trying to find the secret room. The Rock remains one of the most useful powerups in the game and almost always provides huge boost to your survivability wherever you are. You should do that anyways as there's a decent chance you'll get bombs from the rock.
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Jun 24, 2012 21:55
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poop posted:Well, apparently Brimstone + Polyphemus is insane. It takes forever to charge but I was one hitting bosses. It's a fantastic combination. Walk into a boss room with it fully charged and laugh as the bosses all die instantly. Using the book of belial, mom's heart died in 2 shots.
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Jun 24, 2012 22:12
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Okay, gently caress the Mask of Infamy. I can deal with a lot of bullshit, and even though I complain about a lot, I still have fun playing the game. But holy mother of god that boss just grabs the fun dial and turns it all the way down to "gently caress this goddamn bullshit, holy loving poo poo". I was running around that rear end in a top hat with the Book of Belial, The Small Rock, The Pact, my fire rate and and damage were all high according to the pause screen. And even though I actually managed to hit him a few times, I basically was running around for a solid three+ minutes and I still. Couldn't. Kill him.
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Jun 24, 2012 22:39
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Color Printer posted:Okay, gently caress the Mask of Infamy. I can deal with a lot of bullshit, and even though I complain about a lot, I still have fun playing the game. If I ever get mask of infamy without a piercing shot of some kind, I usually quit. I just cannot be hosed to fight that bullshit. Seriously, why the gently caress did he take the most annoying enemy type and turn it into a boss?
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Jun 24, 2012 22:41
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Color Printer posted:Okay, gently caress the Mask of Infamy. I can deal with a lot of bullshit, and even though I complain about a lot, I still have fun playing the game. -Stay in the center of the room -Wait for him to charge you -Sidestep -Step back and shoot him in the back quickly Absolutely do not try to chase him around.
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Jun 24, 2012 22:42
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Rocketlex posted:-Stay in the center of the room It wasn't really me chasing him around so much as me trying to not die considering I had one heart left for most of the battle. I did attempt this strategy but hitting him in the back sometimes seems to be...dicey. The hit detection tends to not be your friend in that battle (except whenever you hit him in the side when you're not even trying). EDIT: I wish I could have recorded that because there were several (and that's a big understatement) shots that really should have damaged him, but didn't. Color Printer fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jun 24, 2012 |
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Jun 24, 2012 22:43
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Rocketlex posted:-Stay in the center of the room Good luck with that if you have the sacred heart, it makes the shots too slow to hit it without wasting 10 minutes and hoping for a lucky shot.
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Jun 24, 2012 23:12
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Mind Spew posted:Good luck with that if you have the sacred heart, it makes the shots too slow to hit it without wasting 10 minutes and hoping for a lucky shot. Or just having any character whose speed and/or shot speed isn't high enough to hit him before he turns again. I've fought him for over 10 minutes and then died..
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Jun 24, 2012 23:30
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 Oh boy.  What's the loot table for curse rooms anyways?
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Jun 24, 2012 23:30
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apophenium posted:
Do you get 18 lives for that, or just the 9?
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Jun 24, 2012 23:33
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Fungah! posted:Fairly sure Bloody Lust is actually bugged to show up before you unlock it. I'm not sure what Conquest's unlock is. There's a picture with Conquest in the game files saying that "You've unlocked.. A Forgotten Horseman" but it doesn't seem to be triggered by anything. 
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Jun 24, 2012 23:38
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Maide posted:Do you get 18 lives for that, or just the 9? You get 10 for cat + 1up, so you'd get 18 in theory, but I wonder. I guess the game can handle you getting multiple bood bags, so v  v
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Jun 24, 2012 23:57
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You just get 9 total, and if you lose any before picking up a second Guppy you go back up to 9.
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Jun 25, 2012 01:08
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I disagree with the people saying that Epic Fetus is an instant-win for the simple reason that it causes the game to absolutely poo poo itself when you're fighting Mom. Seriously, I could barely control my cursor or myself. It was all I could do not to kill myself with my own bombs.
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Jun 25, 2012 01:44
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Rocketlex posted:I disagree with the people saying that Epic Fetus is an instant-win for the simple reason that it causes the game to absolutely poo poo itself when you're fighting Mom. Seriously, I could barely control my cursor or myself. It was all I could do not to kill myself with my own bombs. I once grabbed Epic Fetus and Mom's Bra and thought I had an instant win-button for bosses. Turns out the freezing effect causes your cursor to just stop like a second after you start firing, so your range is pathetically short. FIX YOUR GAME ED 
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Jun 25, 2012 02:24
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Rocketlex posted:I disagree with the people saying that Epic Fetus is an instant-win for the simple reason that it causes the game to absolutely poo poo itself when you're fighting Mom. Seriously, I could barely control my cursor or myself. It was all I could do not to kill myself with my own bombs. Epic fetus plus candle is like super win, seriously the candle needs more love.
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Jun 25, 2012 02:26
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gently caress Samson. gently caress his slow firing speed, gently caress his ungodly low damage, and gently caress my poor luck with finding good items when using him. I had what I thought was a pretty bangin' run! I found the Polaroid on Caves 1! I had the X-Ray Specs, Transcendence, 30 bombs with Mr. Mega damage, and a 1-Up and I still failed before even entering the Chest because I'd had to burn most of my bombs just to reach him, and then I basically had to bomb him to do damage worth a poo poo to him. Bastard was spamming his Death Blossom, which wasn't helping. I got him to phase 3. But I had no bombs. Ever try fighting Isaac while using base damage Samson? I'll put it this way: I couldn't kill a loving thing. I respawned outside the boss room and I just gave up. No point going back in with zero bombs, and I wasn't about to bounce around the Cathedral getting my rear end kicked as I desperately searched for a blue rock in the insane hope of finding a small rock. There's nothing more frustrating than getting the Polaroid and coming up short because of a lack of damage. tl;dr: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Jun 25, 2012 03:45
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Dear Guppy, What the gently caress has happened to me? Please send help. Isaac 
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Jun 25, 2012 03:58
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Funny enough I think that's roughly the size Isaac would be inside of the chest.
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Jun 25, 2012 04:06
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Just had an amazing Samson run. Minor damage upgrades, cat's paw, one-up in a secret room. Then hit a devil chest and got teleported to a devil room with guppy's head and the dead cat. Grabbed the head, grabbed the cat, died from having no hearts and got popped back into existence one room back (from the 1-up) with the paw, nine lives, the cat suit, Hairball unlock/achievement, the full deal. Next item room was Polyphemus. loving done. Nothing else in the game stood a chance, and for whatever reason Polyphemus counts as an asston of individual hits so I was shooting out flies like I had the mulligan (I'm assuming catsuit trait) non-stop in addition to the giant fuckoff hateball blood tear.
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Jun 25, 2012 04:59
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Color Printer posted:Okay, gently caress the Mask of Infamy. I can deal with a lot of bullshit, and even though I complain about a lot, I still have fun playing the game. I would pay money to get rid of that fucker from the game.
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Jun 25, 2012 06:00
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New "fun" bug. Those enemies that have long... necks? The ones that break apart into a body and a head that spits at you. Well, somehow it was two bodies attached by the 'neck' and then there were three invisible heads that killed me while I was trying to figure out why the doors weren't opening.
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Jun 25, 2012 06:27
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Did Samson get a buff so he starts with improved shot speed?
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Jun 25, 2012 06:37
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Is Technology 2 really, really weak, or do I not get something to it?
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Jun 25, 2012 07:15
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Sockser posted:Did Samson get a buff so he starts with improved shot speed? Anatharon posted:Is Technology 2 really, really weak, or do I not get something to it? It sets your damage back to minimum after picking it up iirc. It's good if you find it early and get some damage upgrades. If you find it late in the game, it's probably not worth getting.
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Jun 25, 2012 07:28
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ChibiSoma posted:gently caress Samson. gently caress his slow firing speed, gently caress his ungodly low damage, and gently caress my poor luck with finding good items when using him. I had what I thought was a pretty bangin' run! I found the Polaroid on Caves 1! I had the X-Ray Specs, Transcendence, 30 bombs with Mr. Mega damage, and a 1-Up and I still failed before even entering the Chest because I'd had to burn most of my bombs just to reach him, and then I basically had to bomb him to do damage worth a poo poo to him. Obviously you should demand McMillen send you a fixed copy of the game and then refuse him and curse him out if he actually responds.
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Jun 25, 2012 07:36
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ShadeofDante posted:New "fun" bug. Nah, that's an old one. It doesn't happen often but it's happened since early in the vanilla game.
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Jun 25, 2012 07:44
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Well, gently caress me then I guess. 10/10, Edmund. You got me good.
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Jun 25, 2012 07:50
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CJacobs posted:
Rooms like this make me wish there was some kind of "Demon Friend" item. It would work like the Bum Friend, only it would pick up hearts rather than coins.
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Jun 25, 2012 07:53
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Widow is way too hard to be a basement 1 boss. For a boss that's the prehumous version of Scolex, Pin is almost insultingly easy though. edit: I've had to start again, so I don't have anything unlocked which makes the Wrath of the Lamb stuff more annoying. Those stupid super-troll bombs or whatever. 
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Jun 25, 2012 08:39
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Widow's alright as long as you move in a right angle from your last position when she jumps. I usually ignore the nubs as she's got pretty low health and you can usually finish her before they spawn more than a couple of spiders each. Does anyone know if the Pony boss been buffed? I had one that fired the red exploding bombs more or less continuously, and it used to only do that if you went too close. It made for an interesting time on a 9 lives run anyway
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For the Widow I just hug it, it jumps set distances and if you're at its side it literally just hops over you harmlessly.
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