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GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

Pththya-lyi posted:



This is a classic false dilemma. Why can't I have toilet paper that is both ultra strong and ultra soft? :rant:

Surprised that was Charmin, sounds like the kind of sneaky right-wing bullshit you'd expect from Quilted Northern.

Mo Tzu posted:

Sorry I just really like Robert Lentz, it's pretty great seeing progressive figures and LGBT subjects done in traditional iconography. The fact that he's a Franciscan brother is also really cool.

Thank you so much for introducing me to him. I've been going through his work the last hour and some of his stuff is amazing.








quote:

For Catholic peoples of Latin America, the Sorrowful Mother - Madre Dolorosa - is a central image in their life. Her statue stands in most churches, clothed in black. Mary’s bitter experience on Good Friday has made her a sympathetic sister to those whose lives are marked by similar sorrow. She has shared the lot of the downtrodden and can stand in solidarity with them through all ages.

Tens of thousands of Latin American mothers have had family members abducted -- "disappeared" -- by death squads in recent years. What can these women do in their despair when their governments ignore their requests for help? In 1976 a number of Argentinean mothers began a silent protest every week in front of the government offices as a way to release their despair. Wearing black dresses and white kerchiefs; they carried photographs of their missing loved ones and marched around the plaza. They wore a white rose bud if they hoped their loved one was still alive, and a red rose bud for the dead. From Argentina, the march of the mothers spread to El Salvador and other countries.

This icon presents a new Madre Dolorosa, who stands in solidarity with the Mothers of the Disappeared. She wears their white kerchief, and her wine-colored Byzantine garment is almost black. She has no photograph to carry of her son, who was also abducted by a death squad and tortured to death, but she carries his crown of thorns. She wears both red and white rose buds, since she has become mother of all the disappeared.

The white handprint smeared across the side of the icon is the signature of the El Salvador death squads. It is unusual to add such a detail to a Byzantine icon, and the result is shocking: the icon is violated! The hand, however, expresses a deep truth. The death squads violate icons of God every time they abduct and torture a human being. If the truth is not pretty, let it challenge us to action.

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midnightclimax
Dec 3, 2011

by XyloJW

Svaha posted:

Here's That Lana Wachowski speech if anyone's interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crHHycz7T_c

Thanks, great speech. Will share it on Facebook and everywhere. Originally I wanted to add a picture from that 80s LGBT sci-fi classic, but I forgot its name. Have some Fellini instead (Satyricon popped up while googling for LGBT movies).

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

Not only is Rob Ford a writhing piece of poo poo, he's got some great family members, too!

His doofus older brother Doug aside, one of his Nieces recently made interesting news.



Yup, the old don't dress like a whore like. What does she look like? Well...





But that doesn't count, you see, because she plays in a lingerie football league:


Semi-related: Toronto Slut Walk. Organized after some pigs made comments about sluts, dressing, and rape. Ya know, new arguments.





:nws:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jentakespictures/7270413904/lightbox/

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Frosted Flake posted:


Maybe if cognitive behavior therapy was more common, people with gender dysmorphic disorder could get the help they need without worrying about changing society.


Yeah, you're probably right.

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB


Full Video. Shockingly O'Reilly is racist. Mind blown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-YKx0_-ZM

Delzuma
Dec 4, 2004


Romney Campaign posting bad panoramas/ crappy photoshops to make their crowds seem larger.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Kieselguhr Kid posted:

Perfect excuse: The Black Gestapo trailer


What does this mean? Because if by 'strident' we mean things like a blubbering, drunken Hitchens abusing religious people for their irrational stupidity (why else wouldn't they support wide-scale invasion of the Middle East?) then it's pretty hard for me to play this 'oh, a tone argument! Just like we righteous social justice types have always been shut down with!'

What I mean is that the Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris, Dawkins especially, are deliberately trying to parallel feminism when advocating atheism awareness and secularism. Look at the God Delusion, which talks about consciousness raising and parallels Simone de Beauvoir's "one becomes, rather than is born, a woman" when he talks about religious children.

Bob Moog sex tape
Aug 26, 2004



Soviet Propaganda Cartoons - Shooting Range, 1979, V. Tarasov [Part 1]
Soviet Propaganda Cartoons - Shooting Range, 1979, V. Tarasov [Part 2]

Earth
Nov 6, 2009
I WOULD RATHER INSERT A $20 LEGO SET'S WORTH OF PLASTIC BRICKS INTO MY URETHRA THAN STOP TALKING ABOUT BEING A SCALPER.
College Slice

Earth fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 18, 2014

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

BAD AT STUFF
May 10, 2012

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because fuck you.

PassTheRemote
Mar 15, 2007

Number 6 holds The Village record in Duck Hunt.

The first one to kill :laugh: wins.

Every time I see that kind of bike, I am reminded of:





drat liberal leaning reality

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Earth posted:

What's this?



The crown achievement for cognitive behavior therapy. In 1920 John B. Watson wanted to see if he could condition kids to fear things. A wet nurse offered her son to the experiments, he was called little Albert. Now Albert was fond of a white rat, he absolutely loving loved to play with it. Watson noticed this and so everytime the rat approached little Albert Watson would scare the everloving poo poo out of him, usually with loud noises. In the end little Albert became terrified of the rat and would try to get away every time he saw it. Watson was content with this result and returned little Albert to his mother without thinking of maybe trying to repair the damage he had done. In 2009 it was revealed that little Albert was really little Douglas Merritte, he was born on March 9, 1919 and died on May 10, 1925 of hydrocephalus. He was buried in the cemetery of the Locust Grove Church of the Brethren in Mount Airy, Maryland:

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Alhazred posted:

The crown achievement for cognitive behavior therapy. In 1920 John B. Watson wanted to see if he could condition kids to fear things. A wet nurse offered her son to the experiments, he was called little Albert. Now Albert was fond of a white rat, he absolutely loving loved to play with it. Watson noticed this and so everytime the rat approached little Albert Watson would scare the everloving poo poo out of him, usually with loud noises. In the end little Albert became terrified of the rat and would try to get away every time he saw it. Watson was content with this result and returned little Albert to his mother without thinking of maybe trying to repair the damage he had done. In 2009 it was revealed that little Albert was really little Douglas Merritte, he was born on March 9, 1919 and died on May 10, 1925 of hydrocephalus. He was buried in the cemetery of the Locust Grove Church of the Brethren in Mount Airy, Maryland:


http://youtu.be/KJnJ1Q8PAJk

Interesting short BBC documentary about finding Little Albert.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Alhazred posted:

The crown achievement for cognitive behavior therapy. In 1920 John B. Watson wanted to see if he could condition kids to fear things. A wet nurse offered her son to the experiments, he was called little Albert. Now Albert was fond of a white rat, he absolutely loving loved to play with it. Watson noticed this and so everytime the rat approached little Albert Watson would scare the everloving poo poo out of him, usually with loud noises. In the end little Albert became terrified of the rat and would try to get away every time he saw it. Watson was content with this result and returned little Albert to his mother without thinking of maybe trying to repair the damage he had done. In 2009 it was revealed that little Albert was really little Douglas Merritte, he was born on March 9, 1919 and died on May 10, 1925 of hydrocephalus. He was buried in the cemetery of the Locust Grove Church of the Brethren in Mount Airy, Maryland:


CBT pretty much gave me my life back. :sun:

Patients with obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) exhibit increased metabolic activity in the cortico-basal ganglia network compared with healthy controls. Hyperactive neurotransmitter circuits between the cortex, basal ganglia and thalamus have been implicated in the disorder. Hypofunction of serotonergic neurones arising from the rostral raphe nucleus may result in a lack of inhibitory effect on the putative OCD pathway. Furthermore, overactivity of dopaminergic neurones arising from the substantia nigra may produce excessive excitation in the brain areas implicated in OCD.

camel melt
Sep 21, 2006

A friend of mine wrote an article about Armenians in Iran for a neat little site called The Ajam Media Collective.



Interior of Vank Cathedral, New Julfa, Esfahan.

SSJ2 Goku Wilders
Mar 24, 2010
This is coming back on Dutch TV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjGiEkdzeSg
Watch the whole thing.

Experto Crede
Aug 19, 2008

Keep on Truckin'

SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:

This is coming back on Dutch TV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjGiEkdzeSg
Watch the whole thing.



You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard the "Zwaarte Piet isn't racist because he's tradition" argument :suicide:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Slig
Mar 30, 2010

Alhazred posted:

The crown achievement for cognitive behavior therapy.

Saying the Little Albert Experiment is the crown achievement of CBT is like saying the Tuskegee Experiment is the crown achievement of modern antibiotics. Both experiments were unethical and contained no treatment and both sets of treatment are pretty much the empirical gold standard in their respective fields.

Classical conditioning is not CBT


An example of some varieties of CBT


CBT, at its foundation was pretty much this (Beck and Ellis)


Not this (Ivan Pavlov)


Or this (John Watson)



John Watson was a pretty scummy guy in a period of psychology's development already lacking ethics. When his wife called him out for sleeping with one of his graduate students, he divorced her and married the grad student, which he was then fired for. The Little Albert Experiment took place the year he was fired. After that he went to advertising and used his knowledge of psychology to push personal care products and patent medicines. His approach was to play off three drives, love (sex), fear, and rage.

Androc
Dec 26, 2008

Alhazred posted:

The crown achievement for cognitive behavior therapy. In 1920 John B. Watson wanted to see if he could condition kids to fear things. A wet nurse offered her son to the experiments, he was called little Albert. Now Albert was fond of a white rat, he absolutely loving loved to play with it. Watson noticed this and so everytime the rat approached little Albert Watson would scare the everloving poo poo out of him, usually with loud noises. In the end little Albert became terrified of the rat and would try to get away every time he saw it. Watson was content with this result and returned little Albert to his mother without thinking of maybe trying to repair the damage he had done. In 2009 it was revealed that little Albert was really little Douglas Merritte, he was born on March 9, 1919 and died on May 10, 1925 of hydrocephalus. He was buried in the cemetery of the Locust Grove Church of the Brethren in Mount Airy, Maryland:

Not all of this is exactly accurate. Per the fourth edition of "Introduction to Learning and Behavior":

The study was terminated by Albert's mother leaving the hospital or Albert being adopted by an out-of-town family (depending on which accounts you believe) before Watson had the chance to de-condition the fear. The theory that Albert was Douglas Meritte isn't quite as certain as it used to be, either, mostly due to the fact that the ages don't match up.

For whatever it's worth, it's unlikely that Albert continued to experience the conditioned fear throughout his lifetime (however long that may have been). Even within the experiment itself, he showed extremely large decreases in fear response when there was a 30-day break between sessions. With that being said, the study itself was still hideously unethical and would never be allowed today.

Content: noted behaviorist B.F. Skinner constructed what was basically a climate-controlled cradle for his second daughter, which he believed was more comfortable for her than just bundling her up in blankets. Possibly due to its resemblance to the eponymous 'skinner box' used to conduct research on rats, rumors circulated that he basically raised his daughter in the box and conducted experiments on her resulting in later mental illness and suicide. Spoiler alert: he didn't, and the daughter in question is currently an artist and writer living in London.

Skinner was still a weird dude, though.

dr.gigolo
May 9, 2006

Androc posted:

Not all of this is exactly accurate. Per the fourth edition of "Introduction to Learning and Behavior":

The study was terminated by Albert's mother leaving the hospital or Albert being adopted by an out-of-town family (depending on which accounts you believe) before Watson had the chance to de-condition the fear. The theory that Albert was Douglas Meritte isn't quite as certain as it used to be, either, mostly due to the fact that the ages don't match up.

For whatever it's worth, it's unlikely that Albert continued to experience the conditioned fear throughout his lifetime (however long that may have been). Even within the experiment itself, he showed extremely large decreases in fear response when there was a 30-day break between sessions. With that being said, the study itself was still hideously unethical and would never be allowed today.

Content: noted behaviorist B.F. Skinner constructed what was basically a climate-controlled cradle for his second daughter, which he believed was more comfortable for her than just bundling her up in blankets. Possibly due to its resemblance to the eponymous 'skinner box' used to conduct research on rats, rumors circulated that he basically raised his daughter in the box and conducted experiments on her resulting in later mental illness and suicide. Spoiler alert: he didn't, and the daughter in question is currently an artist and writer living in London.

Skinner was still a weird dude, though.



My favorite crazy Skinner experiment was the idea to use pigeon guided missiles during WWII



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

He certainly didn't have the craziest idea during the war, but it was up there.

While behavioral psychology always gets a bad reputation (some of it deserved) it can produce effective results and is an integral part of the aforementioned Cognitive-Behavior Therapy, which is one of the most commonly used therapies around and often the only one supported by insurance plans. Its also used in Applied Behavioral Analysis, which is considered one of the most effective treatments for autism spectrum disorders.

Androc
Dec 26, 2008

dr.gigolo posted:

My favorite crazy Skinner experiment was the idea to use pigeon guided missiles during WWII



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

He certainly didn't have the craziest idea during the war, but it was up there.

While behavioral psychology always gets a bad reputation (some of it deserved) it can produce effective results and is an integral part of the aforementioned Cognitive-Behavior Therapy, which is one of the most commonly used therapies around and often the only one supported by insurance plans. Its also used in Applied Behavioral Analysis, which is considered one of the most effective treatments for autism spectrum disorders.

Funny thing is, the pigeon-guided missiles actually showed promise in the initial research. Problem was, none of the army brass could take the idea seriously and then electronic guidance was pioneered and that was the end of that.



Pictured: one of Skinner's more controversial works. Now, that title sounds pretty ominous, so let's just check out some direct quotes:

quote:

In the traditional view, a person is free. He is autonomous in the sense that his behavior is uncaused. He can therefore be held responsible for what he does and justly punished if he offends. That view, together with its associated practices, must be re-examined when a scientific analysis reveals unsuspected controlling relations between behavior and environment.

quote:

The picture which emerges from a scientific analysis is not of a body with a person inside, but of a body which is a person in the sense that it displays a complex repertoire of behavior. . . . What is being abolished is autonomous man — the inner man, the homunculus, the possessing demon, the man defended by the literatures of freedom and dignity. His abolition has long been overdue.

The basic thesis of the book is that belief in free will and moral autonomy prevents society from better using scientific methods to modify behavior for the greater good. Reception was frosty, to say the least. Chomsky in particular wrote an extended critique of it that gained considerable traction.

Despite the fact that he's often remembered as the sort of person who could plausibly have raised his daughter in a box, Skinner basically founded an entire field of psychology and it's difficult to find any modern branch that his work hasn't influenced at least indirectly. Also, Freud did cocaine regularly and Abraham Maslow married his cousin. Psychology!

hotgreenpeas
Apr 12, 2008

Can I use this as an excuse to post my favorite scaring-babies-for-science images?





It is :smith: + :3:

ETA Scaring monkey babies for science, from Harlow's famous 1958 experiment on the nature of love



Rejected wire mother (the one with food) on the right


Monkey abuser, Harlow

hotgreenpeas fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Oct 28, 2012

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

MrGreenShirt
Mar 14, 2005

Hell of a book. It's about bunnies!

hotgreenpeas posted:

Monkey abuser, Harlow


If you think that's bad, just wait 'til you hear about his Pit of Despair experiments!



Wikipedia posted:

The pit of despair was a name used by American comparative psychologist Harry Harlow for a device he designed, technically called a vertical chamber apparatus, that he used in experiments on rhesus macaque monkeys at the University of Wisconsin–Madison in the 1970s. The aim of the research was to produce an animal model of clinical depression. Researcher Stephen Suomi described the device as "little more than a stainless-steel trough with sides that sloped to a rounded bottom".

Harlow had already placed newly born monkeys in isolation chambers for up to one year. With the pit of despair, he placed monkeys between three months and three years old in the chamber alone, after they had bonded with their mothers, for up to ten weeks. Within a few days, they had stopped moving about and remained huddled in a corner.

In 1971, Harlow's wife died of cancer and he began to suffer from depression. He was treated and returned to work but, as Lauren Slater writes, his colleagues noticed a difference in his demeanor. He abandoned his research into maternal attachment and developed an interest in isolation and depression.

After 30 days, the "total isolates," as they were called, were found to be "enormously disturbed." After being isolated for a year, they barely moved, did not explore or play, and were incapable of having sexual relations. When placed with other monkeys for a daily play session, they were badly bullied. Two of them refused to eat and starved themselves to death.

Dudes wife dies of cancer so he gets depressed, abandons his previous research to instead torture and severely traumatize baby monkeys with solitary confinement in uncomfortable little metal funnels.

What a visionary.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Everything I needed to know about animal experimentation I learned from

BIG HORNY COW
Apr 11, 2003

hotgreenpeas posted:



Rejected wire mother (the one with food) on the right


MOM!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDn3QmsPGl8&t=77s

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=642KbtSiMbA
A vote for Obama is a vote for living in a Tom Clancy world.

Radd McCool
Dec 3, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=642KbtSiMbA
A vote for Obama is a vote for living in a Tom Clancy world.
That is hilarious


Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."



Human Rights Watch posted:

Human Rights Watch identified 811 destroyed structures on the eastern coastal edge of Kyauk Pyu following arson attacks reportedly conducted on October 24, 2012, less than 24 hours before the satellite images were captured. The area of destruction measures 35 acres and includes 633 buildings and 178 houseboats and floating barges adjacent on the water, all of which were razed. There are no indications of fire damage to the immediate west and east of this zone of destruction. Media accounts and local officials said that many Rohingya in the town fled by sea toward Sittwe, the capital of Arakan State, 200 kilometers to the north.

Violence renewed between Arakan Buddhists and Rohingya Muslims on October 21 and continued all week in at least five townships: Minbya, Mrak-U, Myebon, Rathedaung, and Kyauk Pyu. This was the first time violence had reached Kyauk Pyu and most of these other parts of the state since the sectarian violence and related abuses by state security forces against the Rohingya began in early June. The Rohingya have suffered the brunt of the violence.

“Burma’s government urgently needs to provide security for the Rohingya in Arakan State, who are under vicious attack,” said Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Unless the authorities also start addressing the root causes of the violence, it is only likely to get worse.”

The Burmese government initially said that more than 2,800 houses were burned down in the new violence and that 112 people were killed, an estimate they later reduced to 64. Human Rights Watch fears the death toll is far higher based on allegations from witnesses fleeing scenes of carnage and the government’s well-documented history of underestimating figures that might lead to criticism of the state.

Muy
Dec 11, 2005
MuyBurrito
En route to a campaign rally, Paul Ryan stops by Syria to help explain American Democracy to the locals.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.






From October 28: Associated Press Poll - Racial Attitudes Topline (PDF)

sum
Nov 15, 2010

18% of Americans think Obama is Jewish, from 0% in 2010? What the gently caress?

e: Plus there was a 33% gain in 'No Religion'. Who the hell were they interviewing?

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

i poo poo trains posted:

18% of Americans think Obama is Jewish, from 0% in 2010? What the gently caress?

e: Plus there was a 33% gain in 'No Religion'. Who the hell were they interviewing?



And a 27-point gain in "Refused/Not Answered," combined with a 39-point drop in "Don't Know." That is a truly bizarre poll. At least there's a 7-point drop in "Muslim"?



"Muslim pilgrims circle the Kaaba and pray at the Grand mosque during the annual Haj pilgrimage in the holy city of Mecca, ahead of Eid al-Adha which marks the end of Haj."

Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Oct 28, 2012

Luminous Cow
Nov 2, 2007

Well you know there should be no law
on people that want to smoke a little dope.
Well you know it's good for your head
And it relax your body don't you know.

:420:


An Obama mannequin hanging out in Charlotte, NC.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

i poo poo trains posted:

18% of Americans think Obama is Jewish, from 0% in 2010? What the gently caress?

e: Plus there was a 33% gain in 'No Religion'. Who the hell were they interviewing?
People who saw NYMag's cover and just went 'sounds good', I guess?

(Sep 2011)

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

i poo poo trains posted:

18% of Americans think Obama is Jewish, from 0% in 2010? What the gently caress?

e: Plus there was a 33% gain in 'No Religion'. Who the hell were they interviewing?



My plan is coming together deliciously

http://i.imgur.com/XgqAg.jpg

Farrakhan agrees!

WhiskeyJuvenile fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Oct 28, 2012

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
Holy poo poo I think that woman on the left in the sunglasses is my cousin.

Contribution - your daily reminder that the Catholic church is dreadful.


Leonardo Boff
"One of the worst fundamentalisms is that of neoliberalism".
An outspoken advocate for the poor and downtrodden, as well as an early supporter of Liberation theology. Accused of Marxism, because honestly where does a man of the cloth get off speaking for the voiceless, he was gagged by order of the Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (aka the loving Inquisition), Cardinal Ratzinger.

The threat of second gag order in '92 lead to him leaving the Franciscan order.

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Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Seoinin posted:

Holy poo poo I think that woman on the left in the sunglasses is my cousin.

Contribution - your daily reminder that the Catholic church is dreadful.


Leonardo Boff
"One of the worst fundamentalisms is that of neoliberalism".
An outspoken advocate for the poor and downtrodden, as well as an early supporter of Liberation theology. Accused of Marxism, because honestly where does a man of the cloth get off speaking for the voiceless, he was gagged by order of the Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (aka the loving Inquisition), Cardinal Ratzinger.

The threat of second gag order in '92 lead to him leaving the Franciscan order.

Popular story, but he got married less than a year after he left the order and priesthood and has said countless times that if the Catholic Church allowed priests to marry he'd be a priest again. And honestly what got him was his Mariology, where he connected Mary to the trinity. Something of "Mary Co-Redemptrix" that has had some popularity among some Catholics but the official church condemns. Course it was pretty clear that was a bit of a trumped up charge. He's still Catholic apparently. I took a sociology class with a guy who had seen him in the past decade and said as much.

Similar vein, here's a video in which Sri Lankan Jesuit, Aloysius Pieris, talks about an art installation at the Tulana Institute in Sri Lanka.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSW59lK58VQ
Basically, he commissioned a lot of Buddhist artists to make images based off Christianity. He wanted to see Jesus through the eyes of devout Buddhists. This piece in particular is based off the pieta, but focuses on the pieta through the lens of Sri Lanka's civil war. Aloysius Pieris is a liberation theologian who tries to bring together Asia's poverty and Asia's religiousness. Like Boff he's also had to go before the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, but has said basically that Asian theologians speak a language that the curia (the governing body of the Catholic Church) cannot understand. Sadly not as well known as Latin American or African American theologians.

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