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Belzac
Mar 19, 2008

The third fracture I would do away with...I can't, sorry.

F R A C T U R E


The GIG posted:

I could be just me, but in WO3 does the Samurai Warriors Muosu attacks seem very weak? It honestly feels stronger to just do the Muosu special attacks most of the time.

Make sure you're holding down the Musou button. If you press it and release, it kind of works like an invincibility thing where you can run around and do whatever but if you hold it down it works like a continuous attack that usually does pretty good.

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Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Pillbug

Belzac posted:

Make sure you're holding down the Musou button. If you press it and release, it kind of works like an invincibility thing where you can run around and do whatever but if you hold it down it works like a continuous attack that usually does pretty good.
I still think it dishes out considerably less damage per musou bar, and is usually harder to aim than a Chinese musou attack too.

kissekatt
Apr 20, 2005

I have tasted the fruit.



The GIG posted:

I could be just me, but in WO3 does the Samurai Warriors Muosu attacks seem very weak? It honestly feels stronger to just do the Muosu special attacks most of the time.
Might be a stupid question, but you are aware that you need to hold down the musou button for them to do their special musou attacks? It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure that out.

e:f,b

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

Don't talk to me or my fish ever again!


Samurai Sanders posted:

I still think it dishes out considerably less damage per musou bar, and is usually harder to aim than a Chinese musou attack too.

On the other hand, when the AI uses a Musou, the SW types (along with Orochi-specific character, like Himiko) are much deadlier because theirs no lead-up animation before they launch their attack. With the DW caracters, you have a precious 1 to 2 seconds to get the gently caress out of the way. (or at least activate your own musou)

Lars Blitzer
Aug 17, 2004

He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink...


Dick Tracy's number one fan.


Belzac posted:

This is a pretty good assessment of the situation. One of the main reasons Musou games are popular is because Sangoku/Sengoku are such popular settings for their core audience of Japanese players. I think an interesting time period that would appeal to that audience might be going back to China for something like the the 16 kingdoms, Spring and Autumn, or China's own Warring States period.

Am I wrong in thinking that something more like Lord of the Rings or especially Game of Thrones would be a better fit? With their exposure on the big and little screens I would think Japan would have some fan support for it.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Pillbug

Lars Blitzer posted:

Am I wrong in thinking that something more like Lord of the Rings or especially Game of Thrones would be a better fit? With their exposure on the big and little screens I would think Japan would have some fan support for it.
Yeah, LOTR might work, I have no idea if Game of Thrones is known over there though. The beginning of the Fellowship movie sure LOOKS like a musou game, with Sauron as your player character.

The GIG
Jun 28, 2011

Yeah, I say "Shit" a shit-ton of times. What of it, shithead?


kissekatt posted:

Might be a stupid question, but you are aware that you need to hold down the musou button for them to do their special musou attacks? It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure that out.

e:f,b

Yeah, I knew it when I asked the question. And in all honesty with some of the Samurai it seems to be the better choice to just gently caress poo poo up with combos instead of holding down. Though I just got to the guest characters and seems like the ones who use the SW set up are God-like with their Musous. Ayane was only level seven and she was outdamaging the other two characters in my battle party who were level 15+.

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010


Samurai Sanders posted:

The beginning of the Fellowship movie sure LOOKS like a musou game, with Sauron as your player character.

Someone get on the phone to Tecmo Koei and make this loving happen right now.

"SAURON WARRIORS" is now the best game idea.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Do they have the money to work with the Tolkien estate?

Coal
Jan 15, 2008
I overcompensate for my tiny penis by stealing games worth less than a cheeseburger on a phone worth 400 cheeseburgers.

I saw some posts at GameFAQs saying that you get better stat growth by leveling up in battle as opposed to using the growth points. Any truth to this? If so, what the gently caress is the point of having growth points then?

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life,
I think I've gone too far.


Use growth points to level up dudes you will never use?

Where is a good place to import Sengoku Basara HD collection?

ExMortis
Feb 14, 2012

Let's RUNNING!!

Coal posted:

growth points suck

I ran a test on this just now since it sounded pretty troubling to my OCD and leveled Susanoo from 24 to 25 in battle, then reset and leveled by growth points. Looked like this:

Battle: +5 life, +5 attack, +5 defense, +2 musou
GP: +6 life, +5 attack, +5 defense, +2 musou

So assuming I didn't write it down wrong during the battle, growth points seem to be a little better, actually. (?!)

edit re: importing SBHD
I always used Playasia.com to import stuff, just checked and they have it for like $61, and "Asian" version for $45.

ExMortis fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2012 around 16:06

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

A man's life of 50 years
is nothing compared
to the age of this world

Life is but a fleeting dream


Sengoku Basara HD Collection won't have any kind of DLC of the like so you're PROBABLY good just getting the cheaper Asian edition of it.

Belzac
Mar 19, 2008

The third fracture I would do away with...I can't, sorry.

F R A C T U R E


ExMortis posted:

I ran a test on this just now since it sounded pretty troubling to my OCD and leveled Susanoo from 24 to 25 in battle, then reset and leveled by growth points. Looked like this:

Battle: +5 life, +5 attack, +5 defense, +2 musou
GP: +6 life, +5 attack, +5 defense, +2 musou

So assuming I didn't write it down wrong during the battle, growth points seem to be a little better, actually. (?!)

edit re: importing SBHD
I always used Playasia.com to import stuff, just checked and they have it for like $61, and "Asian" version for $45.

1 example isn't really much of a sample size. I assume it probably uses an identical formula for leveling up that has a slight RNG seed difference.

I'm spending way too much time in conquest getting every random Warrior their highest evolution perfect link. I think I've spent 20 hours in Hideyoshi's story just leveling Pokemons. Send help.

Dantes
Sep 3, 2003
It can never be too cold.

Kurui Reiten posted:

Someone get on the phone to Tecmo Koei and make this loving happen right now.

"SAURON WARRIORS" is now the best game idea.
Not if they gently caress it up like they did with Troy by making it brown, gritty and charmless.

PureRok
Mar 27, 2010

Good as new.


ExMortis posted:

I ran a test on this just now since it sounded pretty troubling to my OCD and leveled Susanoo from 24 to 25 in battle, then reset and leveled by growth points. Looked like this:

Battle: +5 life, +5 attack, +5 defense, +2 musou
GP: +6 life, +5 attack, +5 defense, +2 musou

So assuming I didn't write it down wrong during the battle, growth points seem to be a little better, actually. (?!)

edit re: importing SBHD
I always used Playasia.com to import stuff, just checked and they have it for like $61, and "Asian" version for $45.

People did a lot of tests with this on Gamefaqs going from level 1 to 99. They found that each level seemed to get a random amount of stats within a range and they always ended up with their stats the same +/-5 points or something.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

Forums Rutabaga

Why can't I play as Gundams in Warriors Orochi 3? It's not like it makes any loving sense anyway; give me all the characters!

Belzac
Mar 19, 2008

The third fracture I would do away with...I can't, sorry.

F R A C T U R E


Rutibex posted:

Why can't I play as Gundams in Warriors Orochi 3? It's not like it makes any loving sense anyway; give me all the characters!

Master Asia and Domon for Orochi 4. Make it happen Omega Force.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Pillbug

Belzac posted:

Master Asia and Domon for Orochi 4. Make it happen Omega Force.
Not in their gundams though, on foot.

Belzac
Mar 19, 2008

The third fracture I would do away with...I can't, sorry.

F R A C T U R E


Samurai Sanders posted:

Not in their gundams though, on foot.

They could summon their Gundams for their musous. Though Master Asia at least doesn't even need a Gundam, he could probably kill the Hydra by himself.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story


Belzac posted:

I think I've spent 20 hours in Hideyoshi's story just leveling Pokemons. Send help.

I'm doing the same.

I wish swarms showed up more often, or at least there was a way to increase the chances of a swarm appearing.

I need a loving Anorith.

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!


Twelve by Pies posted:

I'm doing the same.

I wish swarms showed up more often, or at least there was a way to increase the chances of a swarm appearing.

I need a loving Anorith.

I would say just use a password for swarm pokemon, but anorith hasn't actually been officially released. Obviously you could generate unofficial passwords if you really wanted an Anorith though, since somebody cracked the code and put a password generator online.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

Don't talk to me or my fish ever again!


I wasn't bothered by the copy-paste move-sets in DW7, but having played WO3 I really appreciate how everyone has their own unique move-pattern even when using similar weapons. Is their any word on how this is going to work in DW7E?

Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherfucker in the room, accept no substitutes.

Having Gundams in WO3 would have been amazing.

5er
Jun 1, 2000



For those of you that enjoy the 'gotta repeat this map like twenty times and get a better score' aspect, enjoy a bit of grind for character development, and like brawlers with a variety of combos, I want to slightly derail a bit and suggest 'Lollipop Chainsaw' is a decent stop-gap for those of us between *Warriors titles. I picked it up after sufficient peer pressure from a couple friends, and really enjoyed it. It reminded me in numerous small ways of the things I enjoy in a good *Warriors title, so I figured I'd plug it a tiny bit here.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

Don't talk to me or my fish ever again!


Himuro posted:

Having Gundams in WO3 would have been amazing.

It certainly would have made the Hydra stages more interesting, rather than all those loving turrets.

Belzac
Mar 19, 2008

The third fracture I would do away with...I can't, sorry.

F R A C T U R E


SirPhoebos posted:

I wasn't bothered by the copy-paste move-sets in DW7, but having played WO3 I really appreciate how everyone has their own unique move-pattern even when using similar weapons. Is their any word on how this is going to work in DW7E?

I'm guessing they'll incorporate as many of the DLC weapons into characters as possible like they did for WO3 and DW:N. But that's still not enough to give everyone unique movesets unless they directly port over the moves from WO3.

bondster
May 6, 2007



New One Piece: Pirate Warriors trailer featuring gameplay of the rest of the crew.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

Don't talk to me or my fish ever again!


I was playing WO3 last night and looking over the achievement list, and saw that somehow I hadn't gotten the one for using every siege engine. At first I was wondering what I was missing, until I rememebered that the Juggernauts and Pyrocannons counted as different vehicles even though they controlled exactly the same .

I'm now trying to remember which stages have pyrocannons specifically so I can knock that one out.

Daikatana Ritsu
Aug 1, 2008


More Conquest.. did you guys evolve your eevee? I was thinking of going with leafeon since I don't have a strong grass type yet.

Belzac
Mar 19, 2008

The third fracture I would do away with...I can't, sorry.

F R A C T U R E


Daikatana Ritsu posted:

More Conquest.. did you guys evolve your eevee? I was thinking of going with leafeon since I don't have a strong grass type yet.

I got a Glacion. Mostly cause I hate all the ice types in this game (except for Articuno). It doesn't really matter what you pick though since after you beat the main quest you won't be seeing your hero for a very long time.

ExMortis
Feb 14, 2012

Let's RUNNING!!

Daikatana Ritsu posted:

More Conquest.. did you guys evolve your eevee? I was thinking of going with leafeon since I don't have a strong grass type yet.

I went with Jolteon and I don't recall there was anything he sucked against for the duration of the basic campaign. Was good in the bird country and the ghost country. Probably my most consistent heavy-hitter apart from Kenshin and his green psychic thing he comes with.
Does Oichi have gold link with any good Pokemon? The only one I ever found besides _iggly_uff was that weird floating tumor/fetus that does Hypnosis, and that's pretty dumb. I hated that I had to take her on every major battle.

Nages
Dec 31, 2011

Just yell at her like you always do. Bitch, get out of the way!


If you are going for pure power go with Vaporeon because it has hydro pump which is a 5 star move that hits 3 spaces right in front of it. The first story really isn't that hard though so just pick which ever one is your favorite.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Pillbug

All this Pokemon talk in the musou thread is weirding me out. Not that I have a problem with it, but it makes me wonder if Pokemon Musou is ever coming. I know next to nothing about Pokemon, but which one of them would be the "grunts" if it was a musou game?

Chachi
Jan 7, 2006
Blue sparks and big fucking shells.



Samurai Sanders posted:

All this Pokemon talk in the musou thread is weirding me out. Not that I have a problem with it, but it makes me wonder if Pokemon Musou is ever coming. I know next to nothing about Pokemon, but which one of them would be the "grunts" if it was a musou game?

Zubats, rattatas and tentacools. You could throw a rock and not hit the ground for all the drat trash pokemon wandering around in those games.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

Don't talk to me or my fish ever again!


Belzac posted:

I got a Glacion. Mostly cause I hate all the ice types in this game (except for Articuno). It doesn't really matter what you pick though since after you beat the main quest you won't be seeing your hero for a very long time.

I found Lapras to be drat good doing Mitsuhide's campaign. It helped that by the end he was a beast (I think I got my link over 60%)

My favorite type has been Fight. The Timburr line is beastly.

ExMortis posted:

Does Oichi have gold link with any good Pokemon? The only one I ever found besides _iggly_uff was that weird floating tumor/fetus that does Hypnosis, and that's pretty dumb. I hated that I had to take her on every major battle.

She has gold-link with several solid Pokemon, including Eevee. I can't remember if she has one with Magikarp/Gyrados, but I think she does.

SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at Jul 16, 2012 around 21:22

FanaticalMilk
Mar 11, 2011



Samurai Sanders posted:

All this Pokemon talk in the musou thread is weirding me out. Not that I have a problem with it, but it makes me wonder if Pokemon Musou is ever coming. I know next to nothing about Pokemon, but which one of them would be the "grunts" if it was a musou game?

I read somewhere that Pokemon Dynasty Warriors was actually the original idea, but then they switched over to Pokemon/Nobunaga's Ambition. I have no idea how far along they took the original idea, it'd be cool if some videos surfaced at some point.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

A man's life of 50 years
is nothing compared
to the age of this world

Life is but a fleeting dream


I recall reading an interview awhile back that while Pokemon Musou was the original concept, they couldn't get the CERO rating down to A (equivalent to ESRB's E for Everyone) so they went with Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Pillbug

Policenaut posted:

I recall reading an interview awhile back that while Pokemon Musou was the original concept, they couldn't get the CERO rating down to A (equivalent to ESRB's E for Everyone) so they went with Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition.
Yeah, I guess it would be harder for it to be silly fun when you are in an action game slaughtering dozens of pokemons per per second with a sword or whatever.

edit: Orochi 3 is B by the way, for violence and sexuality. The scale goes A, B, C, D, Z, but I have only seen a few Z games and they were in a special section of the game store. Porn games are obviously exempt. Another thing that was always interesting to me is that sexuality and romance are classified independently of each other, and sexuality is written in English.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at Jul 17, 2012 around 02:40

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Chortles
Dec 29, 2008


Policenaut posted:

I recall reading an interview awhile back that while Pokemon Musou was the original concept, they couldn't get the CERO rating down to A (equivalent to ESRB's E for Everyone) so they went with Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition.
I had believed that it was actually supposed to be akin to what Pokemon Conquest ended up being but with the DW cast and story instead of the Samurai Warriors cast?

Hence my personal joke that the Romance of the Three Kingdoms story couldn't be made E-rated.

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