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McCoy Pauley posted:I just finished Bloodlines this morning, and really enjoyed it -- particularly for how it was focused on something so different from what I've previously read about in 40K books -- but I must have totally missed what's being discussed here. What was going on in the book about a cult and an infection? The main character goes to a couple meetings of a secretive group which has some weird serpent symbology associated with it. I read Bloodlines a bit back but I think he also agonizes about whether to loop his daughter into it. It's basically an aside in the book so you may have read and just plumb forgotten about it.
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He also goes on about how much he wants to stop going but he can only stay away for so long before he finds himself back. It also turns out, after agonizing about bringing his daughter into it, she is already into it and much more fanatic than him. Her intense desire to join the guard and leave the planet also points to the genestealer theory. I think it might end up being a chaos cult that got co-opted by the genestealers. That's known to happen in the lore.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Any books about space marines on feudal worlds that aren't lovely Dark Angels novels? I'd love to read a story abiut a giant knight who falls from the sky and sets to claiming a world for the Emprah There's a GoT crossover fanfic, which I think I first saw in this thread maybe, about the Essos/Westeros planet getting brought into compliance. I never finished reading it so I don't know if marines showed up.
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Guyver posted:There's a GoT crossover fanfic, which I think I first saw in this thread maybe, about the Essos/Westeros planet getting brought into compliance. I never finished reading it so I don't know if marines showed up. I'm in it 
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Guyver posted:There's a GoT crossover fanfic, which I think I first saw in this thread maybe, about the Essos/Westeros planet getting brought into compliance. I never finished reading it so I don't know if marines showed up. No spacemarines. But had better writing and ended WAY better than the last few seasons of GoT.
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Got a link to that fanfiction? Google-fu isn't helping me much. (I did find a set of fanfics where primarchs land in Westeros, and Fulgrim getting adopted by Targs sounds extremely fitting. No idea if they're any good yet.)
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D-Pad posted:He also goes on about how much he wants to stop going but he can only stay away for so long before he finds himself back. It also turns out, after agonizing about bringing his daughter into it, she is already into it and much more fanatic than him. Her intense desire to join the guard and leave the planet also points to the genestealer theory. I think it might end up being a chaos cult that got co-opted by the genestealers. That's known to happen in the lore. She didn't join the cult. She got co-opted into an Inquisitorial investigation into the cult.
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Oct 26, 2020 12:13
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Z the IVth posted:She didn't join the cult. She got co-opted into an Inquisitorial investigation into the cult. A lot of the "little" things they set up in Bloodlines are so loving cool and I have faith they'll pay off.
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NihilCredo posted:Got a link to that fanfiction? Google-fu isn't helping me much. https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5spfpl2wjddnxz/Grim%20Darkness%20of%20Far%20Future%20-%20ASOIAF-40K%20crossover.doc?dl=0 Found it. I didn't have it downloaded still but I remembered the There Are Only Lemon Cakes part of the title which helped.
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Guyver posted:https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5spfpl2wjddnxz/Grim%20Darkness%20of%20Far%20Future%20-%20ASOIAF-40K%20crossover.doc?dl=0    E: I read by pressing the F5 buttan, ok? 
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PSA that Peter Fehevari's new horror novel drops on Saturday and the digital short this week is also by him. Unsure if it is related to his new novel because the BL site seems to be down at the moment, but I assume it is. The cover of the new novel is freakin' rad too.
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Z the IVth posted:There's mention throughout the series about snake emblems as the planetary insignia so being an old Chaos snake cult (a la Molech) would be quite reasonable. It doesn't really read as genestealers to me since they sound like a cult that recruits members rather than the weird extended families genestealer cults are. Serpentine imagery is very common for Chaos. Off the top of my head there's Molech, the Davinites (Serpent Lodge  ), the Nurthene (though probably more crocodile than snake), the cult in Rites of Passage, the Laer, and Fulgrim's whole deal. There's a big engraving of the Emperor spearing a snake on the Eternity Gate that is clearly an allegory for him defeating Chaos / killing Horus. Genestealers never occured to me but what people have posted makes sense as an interpretation. One big point against it though is that the cult is presented as a survival of Alecto's pre-Imperial (pre-Crusade?) indigenous religion, and genestealer cults don't show up until late M41. Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Serpentine imagery is very common for Chaos. Off the top of my head there's Molech, the Davinites (Serpent Lodge Genestealer cults infiltrate existing organisations. Trade unions, other cults or religious sects etc
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Yeah Genestealers literally just show up and infect people with a parasite that takes over their brains and changes their body chemistry, existing organisations that meet in official (or unofficial) ways is a good way to sneak another parasite into the group. They then breed off of each and the offspring tend to have more overt Tyranid features and act as bruisers and guardians in whatever hovels or sewers they live in. Once a gene stealer cult has spread far enough on a planet they emit a psychic signal that attracts a swarm tendril for an easy meal.
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How Genestealer breeding works is always kind of fuzzy. The first generation is the most like a Genstealer, until the fifth, at which point purestrains start popping out again. Because  There's old fluff about Genestealers being known for a long time before the rest of the Tyranids showed up too, with a callout being made for the connection not being known for a long time.
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Arquinsiel posted:How Genestealer breeding works is always kind of fuzzy. The first generation is the most like a Genstealer, until the fifth, at which point purestrains start popping out again. Because Exactly. If our hero was a genestealer infectee then his daughter 100% would not have passed muster since she would have like an extra arm, no hair, claws and interesting brow ridges. There's a reason the cults stay hidden until gen4 or so when the offspring appear nearly baseline human. Gen2-4 also reproduce by breeding with each other so he can't be a gen3 with an implantation scar.
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That's one of the problems of GW aiming at kids in the 90's. How exactly does implantation occur? Do the hybrids implant or get knocked up the traditional way for the host species? There are all kinds of questions raised that we were just not meant to think about.
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Arquinsiel posted:That's one of the problems of GW aiming at kids in the 90's. How exactly does implantation occur? Do the hybrids implant or get knocked up the traditional way for the host species? There are all kinds of questions raised that we were just not meant to think about. Maybe not your small weak brain, but I was born for speculating wildly about genestealer sex.
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Arquinsiel posted:That's one of the problems of GW aiming at kids in the 90's. How exactly does implantation occur? Do the hybrids implant or get knocked up the traditional way for the host species? There are all kinds of questions raised that we were just not meant to think about. They literally answered all of this in the early 90s. Purestrain genestealers (and some of the initial hybrids) have ovipositors on their tongues , which doesn't implant a chestburster so much as infect the host and modify their DNA so that their kids are hybrids and they fall under the psychic sway of the cult, which does things like make them want to start a family, make the parents ignore the fact their children are monsters, want to protect the rest of the cult etc etc. Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Genestealers gently caress. A lot
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:They literally answered all of this in the early 90s. Purestrain genestealers (and some of the initial hybrids) have ovipositors on their tongues , which doesn't implant a chestburster so much as infect the host and modify their DNA so that their kids are hybrids and they fall under the psychic sway of the cult, which does things like make them want to start a family, make the parents ignore the fact their children are monsters, want to protect the rest of the cult etc etc.
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Arquinsiel posted:The story in which that was "answered" has them infecting a Space Marine captain and literally describes the hybrid growing inside him. So... GW change poo poo all the time so idk. It's been how I described it for more than a decade tho. EDIT: Checking Lexicanum, since a series of White Dwarf articles in 1989
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Biplane posted:Maybe not your small weak brain, but I was born for speculating wildly about genestealer sex. PM me your fanfic
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:GW change poo poo all the time so idk. It's been how I described it for more than a decade tho. ETA: White Dwarf 203, judging by the cover art.
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Arquinsiel posted:Those citations don't actually link to the text, because Lexicanum is lolbad. IIRC the story with the Blood Angel Captain is from about that era, and reprinted with a bunch of extra missions in White Dwarf for the 1996 re-release of Space Hulk. Feel like someone in this thread should have those issues, I've read them but they were before my time. EDIT: the original fluff is from issues 114-116 EDIT 2: here we go, from 114: 
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D-Pad posted:PSA that Peter Fehevari's new horror novel drops on Saturday and the digital short this week is also by him. Unsure if it is related to his new novel because the BL site seems to be down at the moment, but I assume it is. The cover of the new novel is freakin' rad too. gently caress yeah 
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Speaking of Warhammer horror, they just announced another novel and an anthology: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/28/warhammer-horror-in-2021/ For some reason David Annandale's first(ish?) novel Death of Antagonis really grated to read, but I liked his first Warhammer Horror novel House of Night and Chain and I'm looking forward to what sounds like a horror novel full of Nurgley goodness.
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Biplane posted:Genestealers gently caress. A lot I wonder if the original inspiration was a parody of the various US Christian cults. gently caress a lot. Have a lot of children who are monsters. Attempt to destroy the world.
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Z the IVth posted:I wonder if the original inspiration was a parody of the various US Christian cults. It's 1:1 although they had to tune down the ugliness for the genestealers.
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Pyrolocutus posted:
Z the IVth posted:I wonder if the original inspiration was a parody of the various US Christian cults.
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Arquinsiel posted:General nerd wisdom was always that they were lifted from Alien, with the other Tyranids being the bugs from Starship Troopers as per the novels. I vaguely remember rumours of "they gots sued by Giger" but zero proof of that. The genestealers themselves are definitely from Alien but I always felt the cult bits had a different origin.
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Z the IVth posted:The genestealers themselves are definitely from Alien but I always felt the cult bits had a different origin. It's a pretty clear Shadows over Innsmouth inspiration. Cult of blood-related weirdos who look almost but not quite human and eventually rejoin the terrible otherworldly entities which created them and whom they long for.
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NihilCredo posted:It's a pretty clear Shadows over Innsmouth inspiration. Cult of blood-related weirdos who look almost but not quite human and eventually rejoin the terrible otherworldly entities which created them and whom they long for.
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NihilCredo posted:It's a pretty clear Shadows over Innsmouth inspiration. Cult of blood-related weirdos who look almost but not quite human and eventually rejoin the terrible otherworldly entities which created them and whom they long for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_1k-lOto8 The Shadow over Immateriums
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Arquinsiel posted:Get your submissions in by Saturday!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr1Ip9aaHIA Accurate
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Arcsquad12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_1k-lOto8 A Shadow in The Warp, if you will.
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NihilCredo posted:It's a pretty clear Shadows over Innsmouth inspiration. Cult of blood-related weirdos who look almost but not quite human and eventually rejoin the terrible otherworldly entities which created them and whom they long for. Doh. Forgot about that one. Arquinsiel posted:That kind of circles back to US Christian cults anyway. Did Lovecraft derive the Innsmothers from Christian cults? I thought he was more racist?
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Z the IVth posted:Did Lovecraft derive the Innsmothers from Christian cults? I thought he was more racist? Pretty sure Innsmouth was about the horrors of the white race breeding with the swarthier peoples of the world and the resulting "mixed blood" children.
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